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Unread 12-17-2011, 05:52 PM   #151 (permalink)
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I continue to remain optimistic that audism will one day be defeated so people don't feel the need to turn to medicine and all the risks it entails to "treat" something that is much better served without medical intervention.
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Unread 12-17-2011, 06:01 PM   #152 (permalink)
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I continue to remain optimistic that audism will one day be defeated so people don't feel the need to turn to medicine and all the risks it entails to "treat" something that is much better served without medical intervention.
Oh I agree with this too. No one should be made to feel the "need" to turn to medicine
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Unread 12-17-2011, 06:03 PM   #153 (permalink)
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Oh I agree with this too. No one should be made to feel the "need" to turn to medicine
Then I would suggest working towards the eradication of audism.
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Unread 12-17-2011, 06:15 PM   #154 (permalink)
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Then I would suggest working towards the eradication of audism.
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Unread 12-17-2011, 06:16 PM   #155 (permalink)
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I continue to remain optimistic that audism will one day be defeated so people don't feel the need to turn to medicine and all the risks it entails to "treat" something that is much better served without medical intervention.
Me too. The biggest issue deaf people face is not deafness, it's audism and ignorance and no amount of auditive technology can overcome that.
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Unread 12-17-2011, 06:38 PM   #156 (permalink)
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Um....... I thought it was clear. I did not want a hearing baby. I was wanting a deaf baby. I would have never broke into tears when I found I had a hearing baby.

But whatever, don't get too worked up and break something.
There
was that so hard

Thank you!!

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Unread 12-17-2011, 06:41 PM   #157 (permalink)
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There was that so hard

Thank you!
And your point was???
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Unread 12-17-2011, 06:44 PM   #158 (permalink)
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I'm not lol'ing at some of the hypocrisy on this thread.
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Unread 12-17-2011, 06:44 PM   #159 (permalink)
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I have asked that when my kids were young and teased me about my speech.

I didn't have horrible parenting, and I was a good parent also.

I doubt I am the only one.
You not! I ask same thing. My mom never win mothering award, but she not horrible example poor parenting either. I think is natural ask. I remember ask why I not have brown skin like my friends, why I not have penis like my dad, why I wear glasses unlike anyone my family, etc etc.

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Interesting. Never came up with my kid. Maybe a different degree of focus on speech.
You make your son go speech therapy, Jill?
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Unread 12-18-2011, 02:46 AM   #160 (permalink)
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And your point was???
Simple, straightforward answer saves time

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Unread 12-18-2011, 05:13 AM   #161 (permalink)
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I reading notice pretty terrible news


I believe Jillo is very right strong exactly

I can do thing


rolling7 & AuzzyFuzzy control out aginast to discimmation sound outrage horribles serious

big on terribles

I am deaf full 100 percent! I am very normal deaf normal!

who have problems complaint! Auzzyfuzzy or Roll7 conviiced to Jillo

Jillo protect to defend to do it! She good point defend!

I honest Audiofuzzy complaint & rolling7 terribles bad !

btw

I am accept free joyful positve righteous nothing complaint because I am speech Nothing
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Unread 12-18-2011, 09:32 AM   #162 (permalink)
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you have much heart
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Unread 12-18-2011, 11:28 AM   #163 (permalink)
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I reading notice pretty terrible news


I believe Jillo is very right strong exactly

I can do thing


rolling7 & AuzzyFuzzy control out aginast to discimmation sound outrage horribles serious

big on terribles

I am deaf full 100 percent! I am very normal deaf normal!

who have problems complaint! Auzzyfuzzy or Roll7 conviiced to Jillo

Jillo protect to defend to do it! She good point defend!

I honest Audiofuzzy complaint & rolling7 terribles bad !

btw

I am accept free joyful positve righteous nothing complaint because I am speech Nothing
you calm down please smithtr, i coming to you and give you hug with kiss ignoring them ok? me full deaf 100 percent too. i am loving and appreciate to wonderful supportive deaf world and meeting many deafs same background. you not need complain, i am have no speech too. i cannot talk voicing, i only asl!!!! do not let people forcing you speech therapy. my parents deaf taught me not need be try fitting to hearing world and talking like hearing. they wanting me be not changes myself, they encourage me be link my deaf culture. audism need be TERMINATE!!!!!!!
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Unread 12-18-2011, 11:33 AM   #164 (permalink)
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I think you lost your earlier point, but ok with me.
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Unread 12-18-2011, 11:40 AM   #165 (permalink)
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They don't. They are forced to because of the rampant audism in this country, not because of their deafness. Get rid of audism, and the whole world changes. We don't need to get rid of deafness; we need to get rid of audism.

You're talking about kids being audist to other kids, how do you stop kids from acting like kids? Should we put the child up for the death penalty and make an example? This isn't a problem you can solve before it happens. Unfortunately, it's something every generation has to go through. I wish it wasn't true, but it is.
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You're talking about kids being audist to other kids, how do you stop kids from acting like kids? Should we put the child up for the death penalty and make an example? This isn't a problem you can solve before it happens. Unfortunately, it's something every generation has to go through. I wish it wasn't true, but it is.
You wish it wasnt true, that's good. I am curious to what are you doing to contribute towards the solution of the problem.
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Unread 12-18-2011, 01:22 PM   #167 (permalink)
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Unread 12-18-2011, 01:24 PM   #168 (permalink)
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You're talking about kids being audist to other kids, how do you stop kids from acting like kids? Should we put the child up for the death penalty and make an example? This isn't a problem you can solve before it happens. Unfortunately, it's something every generation has to go through. I wish it wasn't true, but it is.
We teach them. However an audist adult cannot teach a kid to be anything but an audist child. Children are not born audist. It is a learned attitude. Yes, it is a problem you can solve before it happens. Another child does not have to be taught to be an audist. Just because previous generations have gone through it doesn't mean that it has to be, nor does it mean that it is acceptable.

What do you do about audism, other than lay down and accept it?
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Unread 12-18-2011, 01:26 PM   #169 (permalink)
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You not! I ask same thing. My mom never win mothering award, but she not horrible example poor parenting either. I think is natural ask. I remember ask why I not have brown skin like my friends, why I not have penis like my dad, why I wear glasses unlike anyone my family, etc etc.



You make your son go speech therapy, Jill?
Nope. He went as suggested through his IEP until he expressed a desire to stop. Then he went no more.
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Unread 12-18-2011, 01:54 PM   #170 (permalink)
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Nope. He went as suggested through his IEP until he expressed a desire to stop. Then he went no more.
He how old ask stop?
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Unread 12-18-2011, 02:49 PM   #171 (permalink)
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You wish it wasnt true, that's good. I am curious to what are you doing to contribute towards the solution of the problem.

As I stated, the problem can't be solved. If you have a solution, I'd love to hear it.
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You wish it wasnt true, that's good. I am curious to what are you doing to contribute towards the solution of the problem.
African Americans suffered from racism and instead of bleaching their skin white in an attempt to cope with it, they had the Civil Rights movement. It would be great if the Deaf, instead of focusing on less than perfect technology to cope with audism, organize their own movement to promote awareness and education about deaf children in mainstream settings.

When I was growing up, I only saw a group of deaf people signing just once until I reached age 18. The deaf community needs to be more visible, need to put on shows and performances in public schools, do more outreach programs in society. Until they do, the world at large will remain ignorant.
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Unread 12-18-2011, 02:58 PM   #173 (permalink)
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We teach them. However an audist adult cannot teach a kid to be anything but an audist child. Children are not born audist. It is a learned attitude. Yes, it is a problem you can solve before it happens. Another child does not have to be taught to be an audist. Just because previous generations have gone through it doesn't mean that it has to be, nor does it mean that it is acceptable.

What do you do about audism, other than lay down and accept it?
I don't believe that is true, kids do things because they don't know any better and because they want to do it. And, even if you attempt to teach them it is no guarantee they are going to learn it. The most you can do is try to teach respect which we have already been doing for years. You can't make kids like other kids. As adults, we tolerate people because we have to, we work with people because we have to and this is a good thing. But you can't expect a kid to have the comprehension of an adult.

What would I do? I'd teach my kids how the world really is and to be realistic about it.

You can blame people for being inactive if it makes you feel better.
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African Americans suffered from racism and instead of bleaching their skin white in an attempt to cope with it, they had the Civil Rights movement. It would be great if the Deaf, instead of focusing on less than perfect technology to cope with audism, organize their own movement to promote awareness and education about deaf children in mainstream settings.

When I was growing up, I only saw a group of deaf people signing just once until I reached age 18. The deaf community needs to be more visible, need to put on shows and performances in public schools, do more outreach programs in society. Until they do, the world at large will remain ignorant.
The signing deaf community is notoriously small and are usually more prevalently seen in larger cities. Rochester, NY is one of the best example when you have such a large presence of signing deaf population compared to other cities. Outside of metropolitan cities, suburban and rural areas there's less opportunity to see deaf people signing.
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But if a person was born deaf, they would never get to hear cars with turbocharged engine go VROOOOM!!!! That is one disadvantage of being deaf. I wish I had an opportunity to hear car with turbocharged engine going at speed of rocket.

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Unread 12-18-2011, 04:08 PM   #177 (permalink)
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Second grade, which would be 8, I think.
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I don't believe that is true, kids do things because they don't know any better and because they want to do it. And, even if you attempt to teach them it is no guarantee they are going to learn it. The most you can do is try to teach respect which we have already been doing for years. You can't make kids like other kids. As adults, we tolerate people because we have to, we work with people because we have to and this is a good thing. But you can't expect a kid to have the comprehension of an adult.

What would I do? I'd teach my kids how the world really is and to be realistic about it.

You can blame people for being inactive if it makes you feel better.
What makes them want to do it? They are taught the idea of superiority from the very beginning. I can see where you are coming from, but you are completly ignoring the ways in which children are taught these things, implicity. No, you can teach much more than respect. Few do, however.

We do what we do as adults because of what we were taught as children. We carry on the legacy because we do things like ignore the very impact of what messages we were given as children and the impact it has had. As a result, we tend to minimize and say, "No. That is just the way things are.":cool2
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So, in other words, you do nothing.
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African Americans suffered from racism and instead of bleaching their skin white in an attempt to cope with it, they had the Civil Rights movement. It would be great if the Deaf, instead of focusing on less than perfect technology to cope with audism, organize their own movement to promote awareness and education about deaf children in mainstream settings.

When I was growing up, I only saw a group of deaf people signing just once until I reached age 18. The deaf community needs to be more visible, need to put on shows and performances in public schools, do more outreach programs in society. Until they do, the world at large will remain ignorant.
Unfortunately, there were always those few who attempted to pass, for the same reasons that so many deaf attempt to pass today. How sad that racism and audism has such a negative impact on one's internalized idea of their own worth.
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