TWA

Ladies and gentlemen, hell freezes over. I am in agreement with Rolling7.

Deafness

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TXgolfer

*thud*

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Banjo

I thought I felt a chill just a while ago.

AJWSmith

Adding my cent's worth! Or "penny" I should say as a Brit ;-)

I have seen the word "audism" being used to describe:

1. socioeconomic oppression
2. acts of discrimination against a deaf person
3. an internalized negative belief on deafness held by an individual

While deaf people cannot oppress the hearing population as a whole, they are capable of (2.)acting cruelly against an individual hearing person and (3.)can have negative internalized beliefs about hearing people. I see that in the OP an attempt to clarify the difference by reserving the word "oppression" for the socioeconomic arena, and using the word "rejection" when individuals are involved.

IMO I think it is important to differentiate between social-political-economic oppression and individual rejection. But the words we have to hand don't easily make the distinction. And the pain is just as real for a person whether it comes from socioeconomic injustice or an individual's prejudice. Having hearing doesn't protect a person from pain, even if it protects them from audism.

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VacationGuy234

Is rejection not a form of oppression? If a person goes for a job and they are denied it based on a characteristic is that not oppression? If a person tries to adopt a child and is refused based on characteristics is that not oppression? If a person is denied food based on characteristics, is that not oppression? To categorize that one group of people who posses a characteristic can or cannot be or do something, is that not oppression?

Your argument that deaf children are failing in school because of hearing parents is a misdirection of responsibility of the school system itself. The statement shows no basis for the arguments subject.

The assertion that reverse audism does not exist is to say that you have constructed(or magically found) a one sided wall. I would argue that attempting to absolve a particular group of having to take responsibility for their own actions to be the greatest form of oppression.

lilybear

Who made the book? A WHITE MAN.

A book of majority by the majority.

dogmom

a white man is still much more likely to receive more appropriate/faster/easier treatment at a bank for the loan for a major project such as a BOOK, then a man perceived to be black or African-American.

Same goes for hearing/deaf.

reference to power of historical oppression which still exists, vs. individual acts

rolling7

And yet you use the book often.

hint: don't say you don't or your ignorance will show through

lilybear

No need for insults

... I'm not saying I'm not using the book. Quite the contrary in fact (being a teacher and all). All I'm saying is: we can allow ourselves to question and criticize the book.

DeafCaroline

He didn't say they're failing because they have hearing parents - he said 90% of deaf kids have hearing parents. There's a difference.

rolling7

No need for insults!!!!???

Then why did you post....A WHITE MAN?

Daredevel7

While I understand the concept.. I'm not exactly sure what you expect for the individual of the majority should do in terms of dealing with people of the minority with a chip on their shoulder?

"Hi, I'm really interested in learning about the black culture. I'm going to major in Black Culture Studies."

"GTFO, the white man has no place here. Don't you even dare to get that major, you have no right!"

"Okay! I understand because I am part of the majority that has oppressed you, so therefore I'll do whatever you want! I'll just switch my major to History then! It sure will be very useful!"

Seriously, what do you expect? They have the right to behave like this? Or should the majority to completely back off? Leave the minority alone? No interaction whatsoever to avoid this type of behavior?

I don't care what you call it, but there is an obvious pattern. Are we pretending that it doesn't exist? Or are we just calling it something that is inevitable but don't like that term to describe it? I'll call it "Dealing with people with a rightful chip on their shoulder." How about that?

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VacationGuy234

He wrote: It's a fact. 90%++ of the deaf are born to the hearing and 90%++ are failing in schools.

The correlation is implied is implied by the sentence. The above implies that 100% of deaf children born to hearing parents are failing in school, correct? It also implies that the other 10% of students born to deaf parents are not.

I'm not attacking him personally just the argument as presented. An argument is not verbatim unless it is complete.

lilybear

Because it is a known fact?

posts from hell

Do you really want me to expand on this? This is another thread.

The "in the between" line is actually - MAJORITY of the children born to hearing parents are failing. So the "Hearing parents are ill equipped to have deaf children" is true.

If it is not true, I don't see free ASL classes, free resources, etc for these who discover they have a deaf child.

Any more questions?

dogmom

some people have a lot of anger and it's part of a larger historical context which I think needs to be examined and accepted. That does not make it "right" for someone to be spill that hurt or anger onto someone else, but it makes it....relevant

and then I can choose what to do with that person's anger

dogmom

Lily....yes....

DeafCaroline

Give me a real life example of reverse audism. I am trying hard to think of one. I don't just mean an opinion, I mean an actual act of reverse audism.

CSign

Do you have anything to back up your statement that the majority of deaf children born to hearing parents are failing?

If I'm understanding your last statement correctly, you are absolutely correct that the resources available for parents are very limited. I had some sign language classes offered when my son was a baby/toddler, but it didn't go past the basics. I had to seek out (and pay for) additional classes on my own to make sure I was able to provide my son with complete language, rather than just a few signs here and there.


It would be nice to figure out a way to get a network of people to work together to offer support, experiences, ideas, and an opportunity for those "hearing parents" (I'm really starting to hate that term. It continues to create a divide between people) to practice conversational signing so that they can be a good language model for their children.

posts from hell

I'll play very nicely here, csign and say this only once - and I will ask all the posters here not to attack you on this...

Yes. I have wayyy plenty of things to back me up on that.

Debate it OUTSIDE of this thread though, please.

rolling7

Yes it is but the way you posted it was meant to be an insult
hint: all capitals

rolling7

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posts from hell

How is that oppressing the hearing people?

TWA

huh?

posts from hell

oh ok.

lets move on, back to the topic.

jillio

Wrong. Once again, you didn't understand what you were reading.

FireTiger

The problem is there are two (at least) views of audism

1) The hearing having a negative opinion of the deaf, based on ignorance and social pressure.

1a) a person who has a negative opinion about a group they are not a part of and cannot understand

1b) a person who can not tell one person from one group from a different type of person from a different group and lumps them all together. (Fred is 'slow', Fred can't talk, that person can't talk so they must be just like Fred- 'slow')

2) The 'act or pressure' of society itself making it difficult to function as 'deaf' and not 'oral deaf', that is deaf is the only time I can think of where the person w/o a function is caused to pretend to be 'normal'... They wouldn't tell a blind person not to use a sighted guide, service animal or a cane...

If we are only looking at Definition #2 then of course there is no 'Reverse Audistim'
If we look at the specific examples That I came up with for Definition #1, any person can feel or think those ways about any 'other' group.

I see this has already been discussed by AJWSmith - sorry...

jillio

What you have described is discrimination stemming from a prejudicial belief about a group. Sure that is possible. However, when referring to oppression, the majority oppresses; the minority does not. The very term "oppression" means having a position of power.

CSign

I'm not looking to debate the issue in this thread. It also wasn't a contentious question. Inquiring minds would like to know... If that is in fact the case then something needs to be done about it. I'm asking for you to please show me even just one article/study that demonstrates majority of DHH kids of "hearing parents" are failing. It's a bit difficult to make a strong assertion like that without anything to support It. I realize you have many things to back that up, but some of us don't. Again, I am not asking this to debate the issue or be contentious- I'm always interested in expanding my knowledge base.

I'm not playing for the other team, PFH.