Crack the myth: Reverse Audism does NOT exist. - Page 15

**DeafBadger** · 11-09-2011, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheetah

I think audism lends itself more in the form of discrimination than bigotry. It encompases the whole idea of ignoring how a deaf person will interact with the world by the society (which is primarily made up of those with good hearing). To the point that many people do not even realize they are being detrimental to the deaf.

Bigotry is more of a prejudice against an idea or a group.

Hmm. I see your point.

I suppose, as an example, I could use my classroom experience at college right now.

Generally, hearies do not talk to me about the course. They will talk to each other though. One person will exclaim something about the material (I don't really hear it) and a conversation ensues. I don't hear the conversation, so I can't take part in it. Other hearies can take part from across the room, because they all hear each other.

I'm left sitting like a bump on a log because I don't know what they are saying. They could be comparing test results or clarifying a misunderstanding about the text book or lecture. The hearies benefit from that conversation, but I cannot.

Although the hearing students know I am d/hh, no one goes out of their way to inform me about the topic and conclusion of their conversation.

I would have to interject each and every time someone says something, "What did he say?" "What are you talking about?" Over and over again. Hearies don't like being asked that again and again, so after a while, one doesn't any more.

None of the hearies seem to be the least bit aware of this problem.

I suppose that is sort of what you are talking about, Cheetah?

**Cheetah** · 11-09-2011, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DeafBadger

Hmm. I see your point.

I suppose, as an example, I could use my classroom experience at college right now.

Generally, hearies do not talk to me about the course. They will talk to each other though. One person will exclaim something about the material (I don't really hear it) and a conversation ensues. I don't hear the conversation, so I can't take part in it. Other hearies can take part from across the room, because they all hear each other.

I'm left sitting like a bump on a log because I don't know what they are saying. They could be comparing test results or clarifying a misunderstanding about the text book or lecture. The hearies benefit from that conversation, but I cannot.

Although the hearing students know I am d/hh, no one goes out of their way to inform me about the topic and conclusion of their conversation.

I would have to interject each and every time someone says something, "What did he say?" "What are you talking about?" Over and over again. Hearies don't like being asked that again and again, so after a while, one doesn't any more.

None of the hearies seem to be the least bit aware of this problem.

I suppose that is sort of what you are talking about, Cheetah?

Yes, that is exactly it. You will note that no one "remembers" to look at you or speak clearly, or take turns speaking, ect... That is what happens in a society that places such high value on the ability to hear/speak. It make life twice as challenging as it needs to be.

VacationGuy234 · 11-09-2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

Just give yourself a break and be loose. sometimes, being willing to adjust the new idea and a new things in life.

This is all a great debate and I really enjoy that people express their views.

But there is nothing new about bigotry, and if that is the new idea I'm being sold I'm not buying. I've been though enough of it in my life and it pains me to see people who have gone through what I have gone through using the same logic to make excuses for it.

That's my idea and that is what I'm contributing to the conversation without malice.

dogmom · 11-09-2011, 04:45 PM

also, simply the way most high school and above classrooms are set up- rows or other types of "bunches" as opposed to a circle <visual access>; people don't even think about an alternative to the rows. This as opposed to - when I took ASL classes at local d/hh center, taught by DOD, she/we spent a good amount of time prior to class setting up tables and chairs and getting the angles and arrangements just so, so everyone had the best chance of being able to see eachother <the room was a multi-purpose mtg. room and the center in all honesty serves a number of different deafness-related purposes, it's not a Deaf-led org. as far as I can tell, therefore, the room situation>.

dogmom · 11-09-2011, 04:48 PM

I guess I haven't read that anyone is saying it's new-

**Daredevel7** · 11-09-2011, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by VacationGuy234

This is all a great debate and I really enjoy that people express their views.

But there is nothing new about bigotry, and if that is the new idea I'm being sold I'm not buying. I've been though enough of it in my life and it pains me to see people who have gone through what I have gone through using the same logic to make excuses for it.

That's my idea and that is what I'm contributing to the conversation without malice.

Ahhh I see now. Seems like you have experienced discrimination FROM the deaf and you think of it as reverse audism. So when PFH said "It doesn't exist", no wonder why you were like omgwtfbbqnoob!

Frisky Feline · 11-09-2011, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by VacationGuy234

This is all a great debate and I really enjoy that people express their views.

But there is nothing new about bigotry, and if that is the new idea I'm being sold I'm not buying. I've been though enough of it in my life and it pains me to see people who have gone through what I have gone through using the same logic to make excuses for it.

That's my idea and that is what I'm contributing to the conversation without malice.

ha that sounds fair. please continue.

jillio · 11-09-2011, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheetah

That explains why kitty keeps putting down all the other cats.

I wonder if audism applies???

No. That would be barkism.

jillio · 11-09-2011, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by VacationGuy234

This is all a great debate and I really enjoy that people express their views.

But there is nothing new about bigotry, and if that is the new idea I'm being sold I'm not buying. I've been though enough of it in my life and it pains me to see people who have gone through what I have gone through using the same logic to make excuses for it.

That's my idea and that is what I'm contributing to the conversation without malice.

You seem to be the only one here making excuses for it.
Doesn't require malice to be audist.

**mbrek** · 11-09-2011, 05:43 PM

I wonder if dogs consider people HoH?

Ah, these valuable thoughts that keep me up nights...

jillio · 11-09-2011, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Ahhh I see now. Seems like you have experienced discrimination FROM the deaf and you think of it as reverse audism. So when PFH said "It doesn't exist", no wonder why you were like omgwtfbbqnoob!

Ahhh...a personal grudge at play.

VacationGuy234 · 11-09-2011, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

ha that sounds fair. please continue.

We've gone through terrible things and those terrible things can have an affect on us, but part of the reason we understand it is wrong isn't the pain it caused, it's the reason why it was caused. Sometimes that is forgotten which is understandable, but eventually, if we are not careful, it turns us into exactly what we hated.

jillio · 11-09-2011, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by VacationGuy234

We've gone through terrible things and those terrible things can have an affect on us, but part of the reason we understand it is wrong isn't the pain it caused, it's the reason why it was caused. Sometimes that is forgotten which is understandable, but eventually, if we are not careful, it turns us into exactly what we hated.

So, you weren't careful?

CSign · 11-09-2011, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by VacationGuy234

We've gone through terrible things and those terrible things can have an affect on us, but part of the reason we understand it is wrong isn't the pain it caused, it's the reason why it was caused. Sometimes that is forgotten which is understandable, but eventually, if we are not careful, it turns us into exactly what we hated.

Good point.

posts from hell · 11-09-2011, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CSign

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Good point.

I'll be very very nice here. you have no place in this thread.

**shel90** · 11-09-2011, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by VacationGuy234

We've gone through terrible things and those terrible things can have an affect on us, but part of the reason we understand it is wrong isn't the pain it caused, it's the reason why it was caused. Sometimes that is forgotten which is understandable, but eventually, if we are not careful, it turns us into exactly what we hated.

But yet the audism is still having a negative effect on deaf children's upbringing and education.

AlleyCat · 11-09-2011, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

No. That would be barkism.

With the way this thread is going, I think that will be argued as meowism.

**deafskeptic** · 11-09-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

With the way this thread is going, I think that will be argued as meowism.

Deafguy25 · 11-09-2011, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

I'll be very very nice here. you have no place in this thread.

Why? If CSign isn't welcome, who else isn't?

***naisho*** · 11-09-2011, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mbrek

I wonder if dogs consider people HoH?

Ah, these valuable thoughts that keep me up nights...

I know the cats I grew up with as a kiddo knew something like that. Why? They would never be meowing at me for food in the morning. Instead, they always went and meowed in parents bedroom.

I think my cat(s) knew I couldn't hear them. But they still ended up meowing at me for other situations though like they forgot.

posts from hell · 11-09-2011, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Deafguy25

Why? If CSign isn't welcome, who else isn't?

oh ok. get back on Faire Jour and we will talk.

asongofhands · 11-09-2011, 09:16 PM

Deafism:
I attended a Deaf camp to learn sign language. While there, I had an allergic reaction to something. A Deaf staffer came over to me with a hearing friend who is bilingual. The staffer asked me what was going on and I tried to sign but not being able to think, walk, sign, or breathe made it a fair bit difficult. So I looked at the friend and asked her to interpret but the deaf staffer interrupted and said, "No, you HAVE to SIGN what's going on!"

Being refused an interpreter in the middle of a medical emergency. One would think a Deaf person would be the last one in the world to cause that to happen.

**mbrek** · 11-09-2011, 09:45 PM

^^^That's going to far! I'm sorry you had that experience.

AJWSmith · 11-10-2011, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

I think VacationGuy was assuming that just because we don't call it reverse audism, we don't hold prejudiced deaf people accountable.

At first, I thought they were talking about audism being just another form of discrimination (this is when reverse audism makes sense), but they were talking SPECIFICALLY about the power that THIS specific form of discrimination (hearing looking down on deaf) holds. Simply because hearing people are the majority.

A hearing person can experience "reverse audism" (in terms of type of discrimination) in a place like Gallaudet, but the HUGE difference that you are missing is... he can easily leave. He can get ANY service he wants that he could have gotten in Gallaudet. He can easily be friends with most people outside of Gallaudet with no discrimination. However, you cannot say the same about deaf people, because we experience it EVERYWHERE and we can't just "leave". This is where the power of audism lies.

Discrimination is discrimination, but not all forms discrimination are equal in power.

However, I do agree on Naisho about some people here calling everything audist/audism, and this is where the confusion lies.

If you define audism as simply discrimination that comes from believing that hearing is superior, then obviously there IS something LIKE a reverse audism. There is really no denying this.

But what people here are saying audism is MORE than that. And their definition of audism cannot have a reversed version.

I blinked and almost missed this post.

jillio · 11-10-2011, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheetah

I think audism lends itself more in the form of discrimination than bigotry. It encompases the whole idea of ignoring how a deaf person will interact with the world by the society (which is primarily made up of those with good hearing). To the point that many people do not even realize they are being detrimental to the deaf.

Bigotry is more of a prejudice against an idea or a group.

Bigotry is a conscious choice to believe in a prejudicial premise, such as "deaf people who speak are more intelligent than those who don't". One has to think about and embrace the bigoted way of thinking. Audism, as I think we have demonstrated so well here, does not have to be a conscious choice. It is the direct result of living in a society that automatically grants priviledge to the dominant faction of society. The dominant does not even realize they have the priviledge because they never have to consider it. It is automatically available to them. Only the non-dominant have to consider it because of the negative impact it has on their lives.

VacationGuy234 · 11-10-2011, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by asongofhands

Deafism:
I attended a Deaf camp to learn sign language. While there, I had an allergic reaction to something. A Deaf staffer came over to me with a hearing friend who is bilingual. The staffer asked me what was going on and I tried to sign but not being able to think, walk, sign, or breathe made it a fair bit difficult. So I looked at the friend and asked her to interpret but the deaf staffer interrupted and said, "No, you HAVE to SIGN what's going on!"

Being refused an interpreter in the middle of a medical emergency. One would think a Deaf person would be the last one in the world to cause that to happen.

I'm sorry you went through that too.

I think everyone has a duty to make an effort to understand people from someone using a foreign language to ask for directions all the way to emergency situations. The least we can do is point someone in a direction for help, just a little effort.

Frisky Feline · 11-10-2011, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by asongofhands

Deafism:
I attended a Deaf camp to learn sign language. While there, I had an allergic reaction to something. A Deaf staffer came over to me with a hearing friend who is bilingual. The staffer asked me what was going on and I tried to sign but not being able to think, walk, sign, or breathe made it a fair bit difficult. So I looked at the friend and asked her to interpret but the deaf staffer interrupted and said, "No, you HAVE to SIGN what's going on!"

Being refused an interpreter in the middle of a medical emergency. One would think a Deaf person would be the last one in the world to cause that to happen.

Im sorry how it did happen to you. but how can you speak if you couldnt breath ? just wonder.

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dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,475	also, simply the way most high school and above classrooms are set up- rows or other types of "bunches" as opposed to a circle <visual access>; people don't even think about an alternative to the rows. This as opposed to - when I took ASL classes at local d/hh center, taught by DOD, she/we spent a good amount of time prior to class setting up tables and chairs and getting the angles and arrangements just so, so everyone had the best chance of being able to see eachother <the room was a multi-purpose mtg. room and the center in all honesty serves a number of different deafness-related purposes, it's not a Deaf-led org. as far as I can tell, therefore, the room situation>.

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dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,475	I guess I haven't read that anyone is saying it's new-

11-09-2011, 09:16 PM	#442 (permalink)
asongofhands Registered User Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: State of Confusion Posts: 41	Deafism: I attended a Deaf camp to learn sign language. While there, I had an allergic reaction to something. A Deaf staffer came over to me with a hearing friend who is bilingual. The staffer asked me what was going on and I tried to sign but not being able to think, walk, sign, or breathe made it a fair bit difficult. So I looked at the friend and asked her to interpret but the deaf staffer interrupted and said, "No, you HAVE to SIGN what's going on!" Being refused an interpreter in the middle of a medical emergency. One would think a Deaf person would be the last one in the world to cause that to happen.