How different ASL/CSL??

Sunshine · 09-05-2011, 11:30 AM

Is it total different (like BSL or Auslan) or just few words different (like European and Brazilian Portuguese)?

**Bottesini** · 09-05-2011, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sunny_signs

Is it total different (like BSL or Auslan) or just few words different (like European and Brazilian Portuguese)?

What do you mean by CSL?

Sunshine · 09-05-2011, 11:32 AM

Canadian Sign Language

DeafCaroline · 09-05-2011, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sunny_signs

Canadian Sign Language

?

Never heard of it. Does it exist?

**Bottesini** · 09-05-2011, 11:34 AM

I don't think so. ASL and LSQ are what are used in Canada.

Sunshine · 09-05-2011, 11:37 AM

My roommate buy CSL dictionary, so I think must exist. :shrug: Quick glance look similar to ASL.

DeafCaroline · 09-05-2011, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by sunny_signs

My roommate buy CSL dictionary, so I think must exist. :shrug: Quick glance look similar to ASL.

Oh wait, I do know that book you're talking about - it's a rather big one, right? I saw it at the deaf org's libary. Didn't look inside so can't say if it's very different from ASL or not. I'm going to the deaf org on wednesday so I'll see if I can have a gander at that book and ask some questions about it.

Sunshine · 09-05-2011, 11:41 AM

Yes very big!!!

lovezebras · 09-05-2011, 12:40 PM

there isn't a CSL we use ASL and LSQ in canada

lovezebras · 09-05-2011, 12:42 PM

» Deaf Issues » Canadian Association of the Deaf

Sunshine · 09-05-2011, 02:53 PM

I just see her book, is called Canadian Dictionary of ASL. Guess not exist CSL!

lilybear · 09-05-2011, 03:02 PM

Maybe it takes into account cultural differences... like there used to be a Canadian-Oxford Dictionary.

In Montreal, CSL is 'Cote St. Luc'... a neighbourhood... got me confused there for a second.

**Smithtr** · 09-05-2011, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

I don't think so. ASL and LSQ are what are used in Canada.

I know on LSQ is from Quebe strong because french!

ASL is very full Canada, worlds

It is very communication!

drphil · 09-06-2011, 09:03 AM

According to the Canadian Hearing Society booklet: "Starting Point"1999 page 88 "American Sign Language--a visual- gesture language with its own grammar and syntax, distinct from English used by Deaf people primarily in CANADA and the United States...In Canada there are two main Sign Languages: American Sign Language (ASL) and Langue des signes quebeciose (LSQ)

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lovezebras · 09-06-2011, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by drphil

According to the Canadian Hearing Society booklet: "Starting Point"1999 page 88 "American Sign Language--a visual- gesture language with its own grammar and syntax, distinct from English used by Deaf people primarily in CANADA and the United States...In Canada there are two main Sign Languages: American Sign Language (ASL) and Langue des signes quebeciose (LSQ)

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Actually there are SL's in Canada

American Sign Language (ASL), Langue De Signe Quebecois (LSQ), Maritimes Sign Language (MSL) and Inuit Sign Language (ISL)

**Smithtr** · 09-06-2011, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AliciaM

Actually there are SL's in Canada

American Sign Language (ASL), Langue De Signe Quebecois (LSQ), Maritimes Sign Language (MSL) and Inuit Sign Language (ISL)

thank you so much let know me I learn it

MSL I never heard it MSL different

drphil · 09-06-2011, 07:01 PM

How does MSL differ ASL?
As for ISL considering the small population-hard to believe that there is enough "Deaf/deaf/DEAF" persons living "up there" to generate a "separate" sign communication language.

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DeafCaroline · 09-06-2011, 07:09 PM

Inuit Sign Language

Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Inuit Sign Language Signed in Canada Region Arctic Language family

language isolate

Language codes ISO 639-3 None v · d · e Inuit Sign Language (ISL), or Eskimo Sign Language, is an indigenous sign language used by both the deaf and the hearing in Inuit communities in the Canadian Arctic, including Nunavut and perhaps northern Quebec and Nova Scotia. It appears to be a fully developed language, in that it can be used to discussed various topics and convey emotion.
Several of these communities have large deaf populations, and both the hearing and deaf are proficient in it, as in other communities with high rates of congenital deafness such as Martha's Vineyard. In addition, hearing people have been observed to use it for inter-dialectical communication with Inuit from other communities. MacDougall (2000) notes that "this is not unusual for nomadic hunters and others living in isolated places", suggesting that it may not have originated as a sign language for the deaf.
[edit] References

MacDougall, JC (2000) 'Access to justice for deaf Inuit in Nunavut: The role of "Inuit sign language".' Canadian Psychology, 2001(Feb) 42(1):61–73

(a summary may be more readily available in Coon (2009) Psychology: A Journey)"

drphil · 09-06-2011, 07:37 PM

Apparently widely known-first heard it about here- today.

Personally not planning on moving up north to learn ISL

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**Smithtr** · 09-06-2011, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by drphil

Apparently widely known-first heard it about here- today.

Personally not planning on moving up north to learn ISL

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you means on provinceÉ not sure I guess

funny comedy!

lovezebras · 09-06-2011, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drphil

How does MSL differ ASL?
As for ISL considering the small population-hard to believe that there is enough "Deaf/deaf/DEAF" persons living "up there" to generate a "separate" sign communication language.

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what is "up there" supposed to mean your really rude sometimes you know that...

**deafskeptic** · 09-06-2011, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

Inuit Sign Language

Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Inuit Sign Language Signed in Canada Region Arctic Language family

language isolate

Language codes ISO 639-3 None v · d · e Inuit Sign Language (ISL), or Eskimo Sign Language, is an indigenous sign language used by both the deaf and the hearing in Inuit communities in the Canadian Arctic, including Nunavut and perhaps northern Quebec and Nova Scotia. It appears to be a fully developed language, in that it can be used to discussed various topics and convey emotion.
Several of these communities have large deaf populations, and both the hearing and deaf are proficient in it, as in other communities with high rates of congenital deafness such as Martha's Vineyard. In addition, hearing people have been observed to use it for inter-dialectical communication with Inuit from other communities. MacDougall (2000) notes that "this is not unusual for nomadic hunters and others living in isolated places", suggesting that it may not have originated as a sign language for the deaf.
[edit] References

MacDougall, JC (2000) 'Access to justice for deaf Inuit in Nunavut: The role of "Inuit sign language".' Canadian Psychology, 2001(Feb) 42(1):61–73

(a summary may be more readily available in Coon (2009) Psychology: A Journey)"

That's of interest.

deafbajagal · 09-06-2011, 08:00 PM

Wow, I learned something new here!!! Cool!

deafbajagal · 09-06-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

That's of interest.

Agree! I'm intrigued!

drphil · 09-06-2011, 10:56 PM

"Up there" refers to the northern portion of Canada in contradistinction to the southern portion. Geographical term.

The exact number of people living "there" unknown with the subset of those using ISL also unknown.

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Royale · 09-06-2011, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drphil

How does MSL differ ASL?
As for ISL considering the small population-hard to believe that there is enough "Deaf/deaf/DEAF" persons living "up there" to generate a "separate" sign communication language.

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07

MSL (Maritime Sign Language) is a mixture of ASL and BSL which is often used by older Deaf people in Eastern Canada (Newfoundland & Labrador, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island). Now it is dying because more and more Deaf people are using ASL there.

Royale · 09-06-2011, 11:13 PM

ASL/CSL are very similar. Only the difference is regional signs.

Langue des Signes Quebecois consists of 60 percent ASL and 40 percent LSF.

**Banjo** · 09-06-2011, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drphil

How does MSL differ ASL?
As for ISL considering the small population-hard to believe that there is enough "Deaf/deaf/DEAF" persons living "up there" to generate a "separate" sign communication language.

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07

Well, Inuits have their own spoken language as well. In fact, there are several dialects of the language itself.

drphil · 09-07-2011, 09:17 AM

True. Having "their sign communication system-ISL" would suggest anyone not knowing their system MIGHT have trouble following-correct?

Does having a realty check suggests-how many ACTUAL PERSONS utilize ISL and do they live in areas where ASL is "widely used"?

How persons actually use all of the various systems-ASL vs BSL vs Auslan VS ISL vs MSL including the latest discovery-Wikipedia?

What is the impact on anyone life in their real world?

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Clairol · 09-07-2011, 03:06 PM

Ok, so there's MSL and ISL, which I didn't know. Very interesting indeed! I knew about ASL and LSQ, but not of any other SL within Canada.

About the CSL sunny_signs refered to, I'm guessing it's like ASL but you add more "U"s when you spell the words XD

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DeafCaroline Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,889	Inuit Sign Language Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Inuit Sign Language Signed in Canada Region Arctic Language family language isolate Language codes ISO 639-3 None v · d · e Inuit Sign Language (ISL), or Eskimo Sign Language, is an indigenous sign language used by both the deaf and the hearing in Inuit communities in the Canadian Arctic, including Nunavut and perhaps northern Quebec and Nova Scotia. It appears to be a fully developed language, in that it can be used to discussed various topics and convey emotion. Several of these communities have large deaf populations, and both the hearing and deaf are proficient in it, as in other communities with high rates of congenital deafness such as Martha's Vineyard. In addition, hearing people have been observed to use it for inter-dialectical communication with Inuit from other communities. MacDougall (2000) notes that "this is not unusual for nomadic hunters and others living in isolated places", suggesting that it may not have originated as a sign language for the deaf. [edit] References MacDougall, JC (2000) 'Access to justice for deaf Inuit in Nunavut: The role of "Inuit sign language".' Canadian Psychology, 2001(Feb) 42(1):61–73 (a summary may be more readily available in Coon (2009) Psychology: A Journey)" lovezebras and Smithtr like this.

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drphil Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Toronto Ontario Posts: 4,110	"Up there" refers to the northern portion of Canada in contradistinction to the southern portion. Geographical term. The exact number of people living "there" unknown with the subset of those using ISL also unknown. Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07 __________________ Get Real:Implanted Sunnybrook/Toronto -Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

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Royale Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: World's Second Coldest Capital City! Posts: 4,412	ASL/CSL are very similar. Only the difference is regional signs. Langue des Signes Quebecois consists of 60 percent ASL and 40 percent LSF.

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drphil Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Toronto Ontario Posts: 4,110	True. Having "their sign communication system-ISL" would suggest anyone not knowing their system MIGHT have trouble following-correct? Does having a realty check suggests-how many ACTUAL PERSONS utilize ISL and do they live in areas where ASL is "widely used"? How persons actually use all of the various systems-ASL vs BSL vs Auslan VS ISL vs MSL including the latest discovery-Wikipedia? What is the impact on anyone life in their real world? Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07 __________________ Get Real:Implanted Sunnybrook/Toronto -Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

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Clairol Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Montréal Posts: 25	Ok, so there's MSL and ISL, which I didn't know. Very interesting indeed! I knew about ASL and LSQ, but not of any other SL within Canada. About the CSL sunny_signs refered to, I'm guessing it's like ASL but you add more "U"s when you spell the words XD

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