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**Smithtr** · 07-16-2011, 08:28 PM

please no mroe dr.phil silly comedy bit off topic sorry

be attention reading carefu otherwise proper English and not ask me facebook apologized once time you know another thread
smae over and over many too many high Please another thread thank Respect!

this not Facebook but inappropriate reading

jillio · 07-16-2011, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by smithtr

that is true, people don't believe reason many time I Notice it people confused
evidence ASL syntax fluent on native mixing prove! somebodoy already aware,
newbie on member learn it how ASL users! that is important!

Yes, it is important for newbies to learn ASL syntax. And you are doing a great job of teaching!

jillio · 07-16-2011, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by drphil

Smith TR-forgot to ask you- if ASL is your "native language" when did you learn ESL-English as Second Language?

Hope you are satisfied-now- that Saskatoon is in Canada-even Facebook agrees. How did Saskatoon get to China in the first place? Have you checked with Brad Wall of "potash fame"- on the big news?

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He has already asked you to stop with your silliness and your disrespect. Are you really such an ass that you continue in spite of a polite request to stop?

**Smithtr** · 07-16-2011, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Yes, it is important for newbies to learn ASL syntax. And you are doing a great job of teaching!

I am proud of teach to people!I am glad of their learn it! I am very happy!

It is wonderful I am courage to native language, member SMF believe it my native language! It is true! I aware it impressive! whooot
they are learn it

they understand my language!

**KristinaB** · 07-16-2011, 08:36 PM

Travis - I must say also, that in spite of having trouble understanding some of your posts and chat messages we have, I am learning more and more from you. Thanks you so much.

**Smithtr** · 07-16-2011, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KristinaB

Travis - I must say also, that in spite of having trouble understanding some of your posts and chat messages we have, I am learning more and more from you. Thanks you so much.

your welcome I Hope be communication to ASL anything help better sound! you learn it my language

I can help you teach!

I can problem troubleshooting, sometimes I can help you repeat understand!

jillio · 07-16-2011, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by smithtr

I am proud of teach to people!I am glad of their learn it! I am very happy!

It is wonderful I am courage to native language, member SMF believe it my native language! It is true! I aware it impressive! whooot
they are learn it

they understand my language!

Yes, I can see that it makes you very excited to be able to teach people about ASL. I hope many, many more people learn from you! The more people who understand about ASL, the better!

**Smithtr** · 07-16-2011, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Yes, I can see that it makes you very excited to be able to teach people about ASL. I hope many, many more people learn from you! The more people who understand about ASL, the better!

me too I am exciting i am pretty effort and support to communication lots of best thumb up

member learn asl!

MCB · 07-16-2011, 09:07 PM

Your writing is an excellent illustration of how much difference there is between ASL and English.

**Smithtr** · 07-16-2011, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MCB

Your writing is an excellent illustration of how much difference there is between ASL and English.

Thank, I am hard work posts

I am continue ASL and English! I best do goal development to improve skills grow building increase

AOS · 07-17-2011, 04:14 AM

hee hee oh yes. I think I am in limbo atm, being a late late deaf adult, English was my 1st language. I now have limited knowlege of ASL but love it and love the exposure to all languages in the world.
Which one is grammatical correct .. hmmm? Kinda like what I grew up with of who has the accent... LOL

all · 07-17-2011, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Most hearing people don't understand that ASL has a completely different syntax than English. They think ASL is the same as English, only signed.

I completely agree with you. I am "hearing", and learnt ASL in the '80 for my job:special teacher...What you said is so true. The syntax of the two languages are completely different.
Sincerly,
David

drphil · 07-17-2011, 09:20 AM

Is it a "surprise" that other members here don't "appear" to use ASL syntax when commenting? To be more specific comments "appear" to be in English usage

.

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MCB · 07-17-2011, 12:16 PM

It all depends on what kind of education the individual had, and what the home environment was like, as well as learning disabilities, language history, and preferred mode of learning.

Everyone is an individual, and everyone is unique. Some, like you, are more unique than others.

Can you imagine a deaf child raised in a deaf family, where there are no services in the schools for deaf children? It might be a challenge to your imagination to think of a person different from yourself.

drphil · 07-17-2011, 12:58 PM

My query was to "other forum members who know/use ASL?BSL et al" using sign language syntax vs English sentence construction-when commenting?I understand there is apparently a different sentence sequence when signed.

Reality: no posting of my here is reposted in Vampire Freaks.Com-why would I do such an action? No I haven't checked out V F if there are any Deaf/deaf SkinHeads OR Deaf/deaf Goths among the almost 2 million members.

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AlleyCat · 07-17-2011, 01:00 PM

"other cult members" ?? This isn't your vampirefreaks.com cult site.

DeafCaroline · 07-17-2011, 01:03 PM

I've given up trying to make sense of drphil's posts.

Frisky Feline · 07-17-2011, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

"other cult members" ?? This isn't your vampirefreaks.com cult site.

Right, it it totally separately from the cult forum from this friendly forum.

Frisky Feline · 07-17-2011, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by drphil

My query was to "other cult members who know/use ASL?BSL et al" using sign language syntax vs English sentence construction-when commenting?
I understand is "entirely different based on sign usage rules"-correct?

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Friendly reminder, Cult is a form of religous while Deaf culture is not a religious for the group.

just making sure you know whats the difference between your forum and this alldeaf forum.

BecLak · 07-17-2011, 06:20 PM

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On the ASL only thread you drphil wrote only in English - so what is with the fingerpointing? Since a good majority of the members on this forum know and use sign language you therefore are a little outnumbered.

SimonJ · 07-17-2011, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BecLak

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On the ASL only thread you drphil wrote only in English - so what is with the fingerpointing? Since a good majority of the members on this forum know and would use sign language

I only know Auslan and not very well but I am not confident enough to post in the ASL forum, I feel it would be wrong to just have a go without learning enough first. Just posting anyway would be at best rude. My $0.02

BecLak · 07-17-2011, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BecLak

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On the ASL only thread you drphil wrote only in English - so what is with the fingerpointing? Since a good majority of the members on this forum know and would use sign language

I only know Auslan and not very well but I am not confident enough to post in the ASL forum, I feel it would be wrong to just have a go without learning enough first. Just posting anyway would be at best rude. My $0.02

I know mostly Auslan myself being a fellow Aussie, I am still learning but can understand and hold a conversation. I know a little ASL and continuing to learn more. From what I have found is that syntax is similiar? Participating in the ASL thread, it has helped me a lot with both ASL and Auslan. I am glad smithtr is teaching Sign language on this forum.

Perhaps you could give a written example of Auslan. I would really like that.

SimonJ · 07-17-2011, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BecLak

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I know mostly Auslan myself being a fellow Aussie, I am still learning but can understand and hold a conversation. I know a little ASL and continuing to learn more. From what I have found is that syntax is similiar? Participating in the ASL thread, it has helped me a lot with both ASL and Auslan. I am glad smithtr is teaching Sign language on this forum.

Perhaps you could give a written example of Auslan. I would really like that.

I do read the ASL thread and of course Travis is a godsend! The thing I have noticed is Auslan uses the shortest route to the end of a sentence. ;-)

In English you say "Have a good day" whereas in Auslan it is just "Have Good Day" it is the English connection words like "the" and "a" that are dropped. Other syntax I am picking up but so far I can converse with other deaf people as long as they sign more slowly. I love watching conversations but still feel uneasy "eavesdropping"! :-)

**Bottesini** · 07-17-2011, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by drphil

My query was to "other cult members who know/use ASL?BSL et al" using sign language syntax vs English sentence construction-when commenting?
I understand is "entirely different based on sign usage rules"-correct?

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KStiletto · 07-17-2011, 07:45 PM

Grammar is my main issue. I'm actually reading about ASL grammar and trying to get a better grasp of it. I think once I'm able to read it, I'd be able to sign better.

BecLak · 07-17-2011, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SimonJ

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Originally Posted by BecLak

Wirelessly posted

I know mostly Auslan myself being a fellow Aussie, I am still learning but can understand and hold a conversation. I know a little ASL and continuing to learn more. From what I have found is that syntax is similiar? Participating in the ASL thread, it has helped me a lot with both ASL and Auslan. I am glad smithtr is teaching Sign language on this forum.

Perhaps you could give a written example of Auslan. I would really like that.

I do read the ASL thread and of course Travis is a godsend! The thing I have noticed is Auslan uses the shortest route to the end of a sentence. ;-)

In English you say "Have a good day" whereas in Auslan it is just "Have Good Day" it is the English connection words like "the" and "a" that are dropped. Other syntax I am picking up but so far I can converse with other deaf people as long as they sign more slowly. I love watching conversations but still feel uneasy "eavesdropping"! :-)

Thanks for your input SimonJ, much appreciated mate

**KristinaB** · 07-17-2011, 09:57 PM

Sometimes I wish there was a book with short stories in it all done in ASL grammar.

**Smithtr** · 07-17-2011, 10:21 PM

I know many people reason otherwise on proper English & also pretty tough! I think figure out best effort tell company hosting! I try best do adjust to lots of pretty sound!

drphil · 07-18-2011, 12:21 AM

Peace Bottesini:I altered the word to "forum" members from "cult".

I guess I must be "misreading" as the bulk of comments in this thread "appear to be in English construction".

I have never taken ASL "syntax construction" when I took Intro ASL.

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Berry · 07-18-2011, 01:00 AM

I don't have a problem understanding your posts -- I do find myself thinking in ASL when I read them.

hard not.

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Smithtr Siberian Husky Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 14,656	please no mroe dr.phil silly comedy bit off topic sorry be attention reading carefu otherwise proper English and not ask me facebook apologized once time you know another thread smae over and over many too many high Please another thread thank Respect! this not Facebook but inappropriate reading Bottesini and KristinaB like this. __________________

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KristinaB New SDIT Deacon Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Land of the backstroke Posts: 13,772	Travis - I must say also, that in spite of having trouble understanding some of your posts and chat messages we have, I am learning more and more from you. Thanks you so much. Smithtr likes this.

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MCB Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 477	Your writing is an excellent illustration of how much difference there is between ASL and English. jillio likes this.

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drphil Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Toronto Ontario Posts: 4,113	Is it a "surprise" that other members here don't "appear" to use ASL syntax when commenting? To be more specific comments "appear" to be in English usage. Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07 __________________ Get Real:Implanted Sunnybrook/Toronto -Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07 Last edited by drphil; 07-17-2011 at 11:57 PM. Reason: additional query

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drphil Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Toronto Ontario Posts: 4,113	My query was to "other forum members who know/use ASL?BSL et al" using sign language syntax vs English sentence construction-when commenting?I understand there is apparently a different sentence sequence when signed. Reality: no posting of my here is reposted in Vampire Freaks.Com-why would I do such an action? No I haven't checked out V F if there are any Deaf/deaf SkinHeads OR Deaf/deaf Goths among the almost 2 million members. Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07 __________________ Get Real:Implanted Sunnybrook/Toronto -Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07 Last edited by drphil; 07-18-2011 at 12:07 AM. Reason: word change

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07-17-2011, 04:14 AM	#41 (permalink)
AOS Registered User Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Conn. USA Posts: 21	hee hee oh yes. I think I am in limbo atm, being a late late deaf adult, English was my 1st language. I now have limited knowlege of ASL but love it and love the exposure to all languages in the world. Which one is grammatical correct .. hmmm? Kinda like what I grew up with of who has the accent... LOL

07-17-2011, 12:16 PM	#44 (permalink)
MCB Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 477	It all depends on what kind of education the individual had, and what the home environment was like, as well as learning disabilities, language history, and preferred mode of learning. Everyone is an individual, and everyone is unique. Some, like you, are more unique than others. Can you imagine a deaf child raised in a deaf family, where there are no services in the schools for deaf children? It might be a challenge to your imagination to think of a person different from yourself.

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AlleyCat Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my time zone Posts: 10,795	"other cult members" ?? This isn't your vampirefreaks.com cult site. jillio, DeafCaroline and KristinaB like this.

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DeafCaroline Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,889	I've given up trying to make sense of drphil's posts. Smithtr and SimonJ like this.

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BecLak Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 2,116	Wirelessly posted On the ASL only thread you drphil wrote only in English - so what is with the fingerpointing? Since a good majority of the members on this forum know and use sign language you therefore are a little outnumbered. __________________ Severely deaf from birth. Deaf with a Purpose. God designed me this way so I do everything by God's Grace. Exodus 4:11 Ignorance is no longer bliss. Be Educated. KEEP IN STEP WITH ME: Sign Text Email Pen and Paper Last edited by BecLak; 07-17-2011 at 06:24 PM.

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KStiletto Registered User Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Brooklyn, NYC Posts: 557	Grammar is my main issue. I'm actually reading about ASL grammar and trying to get a better grasp of it. I think once I'm able to read it, I'd be able to sign better.

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KristinaB New SDIT Deacon Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Land of the backstroke Posts: 13,772	Sometimes I wish there was a book with short stories in it all done in ASL grammar.

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Smithtr Siberian Husky Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 14,656	I know many people reason otherwise on proper English & also pretty tough! I think figure out best effort tell company hosting! I try best do adjust to lots of pretty sound! __________________

07-18-2011, 12:21 AM	#59 (permalink)
drphil Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Toronto Ontario Posts: 4,113	Peace Bottesini:I altered the word to "forum" members from "cult". I guess I must be "misreading" as the bulk of comments in this thread "appear to be in English construction". I have never taken ASL "syntax construction" when I took Intro ASL. Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07 __________________ Get Real:Implanted Sunnybrook/Toronto -Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

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Berry Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oroville, Ca. Posts: 2,024	I don't have a problem understanding your posts -- I do find myself thinking in ASL when I read them. hard not. dogmom likes this. __________________ Free Jillio! Living life in the sandbox.

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