Deafhood

missywinks · 06-04-2011, 01:57 AM

Hi, There is lots of good resources on the internet on information about Deafhood. I am wondering if anyone can suggest a good video/vlog or a short article on Deafhood? Thanks!

warpedpink · 06-04-2011, 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by missywinks

Hi, There is lots of good resources on the internet on information about Deafhood. I am wondering if anyone can suggest a good video/vlog or a short article on Deafhood? Thanks!

Have you taken the class? I did a year ago.. For most people, it's a eye-opener.

Grummer · 06-04-2011, 06:07 AM

get the original book, by Paddy Ladd, not cheap but it has a lot of ideas floating about in it, the book itself is not that well organised but it was 'first of the kind' he was simply attemping to bring the fragmented deaf/Deaf people into a consolidated group, very ambitious largely because everyone has their own ideas of what is 'being deaf' is about..but this concept of Deafhood is exactly that, about recognising the differences in spectrums and experiences and as yet recognising the similarity of deaf oppression across the board which in theory should bring to gether so deaf/Deaf becomes DEAF, so we have power to make ourselves heard..and demands rights...where we were denied for so long , even right now we are worse of than blacks, gays, feminists you know why?
its simple, they are HEARING< NOT DEAF......

MidnightSun · 06-04-2011, 09:19 AM

I have been familiar with Paddy Ladd for years and his "movement". I have read everything I could and attended 2 seminars. I agree so stongly with most of what he says but feel he is SO demanding and even condensending that he is missing the part he needs to accomplish what he wants because of his lack of knowledge or organization and politics that will be needed to implement and accomplish the "law" he is so eager to have passed.He is not an american citizen which I have no problem with. I admire the man for his passion but he needs to surround himself with some more savvy type political deaf supporters. A hard task for sure! I also do not like the word Deafhood. That's just me but it makes me invision the deaf covering up (the hood part) when I think we should be organized with pride and facts and legal demands. Not just shouting we've been wronged , now make it right! I say throw off the hood, the symbol of hiding and covering up things. and yes I know his intention is that we are all in one big neighborhood, I get that. It just doesn't work for me...but that's just me....Midnight♥♥♥

Grummer · 06-04-2011, 12:36 PM

hmm kind of agree, he's a bit of a dreamer...
needs a more practical slant to make the whole thinking 'rounded' and more plausible...

drphil · 06-04-2011, 12:49 PM

Made me think since becoming bilateral deaf-December 20,2006-am I into "deafhood"? Never heard of this term before.

Is this another intermural exercise -who is real deaf?

Implanted Sunnybrook/Toronto Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

posts from hell · 06-04-2011, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drphil

Made me think since becoming bilateral deaf-December 20,2006-am I into "deafhood"? Never heard of this term before.

Is this another intermural exercise -who is real deaf?

Implanted Sunnybrook/Toronto Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

Basically put, deafhood is your journey in deafness. So, yes.

Yours is vastly different than mine, yet we will experience the same things placed up on us by society.

kokonut · 06-04-2011, 01:16 PM

Each of our own journey is deeply personal.

jillio · 06-04-2011, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grummer

get the original book, by Paddy Ladd, not cheap but it has a lot of ideas floating about in it, the book itself is not that well organised but it was 'first of the kind' he was simply attemping to bring the fragmented deaf/Deaf people into a consolidated group, very ambitious largely because everyone has their own ideas of what is 'being deaf' is about..but this concept of Deafhood is exactly that, about recognising the differences in spectrums and experiences and as yet recognising the similarity of deaf oppression across the board which in theory should bring to gether so deaf/Deaf becomes DEAF, so we have power to make ourselves heard..and demands rights...where we were denied for so long , even right now we are worse of than blacks, gays, feminists you know why?
its simple, they are HEARING< NOT DEAF......

I agree. If one wants an in depth understanding of the concept of Deafhood, they really need to read Paddy's book.

jillio · 06-04-2011, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MidnightSun

I have been familiar with Paddy Ladd for years and his "movement". I have read everything I could and attended 2 seminars. I agree so stongly with most of what he says but feel he is SO demanding and even condensending that he is missing the part he needs to accomplish what he wants because of his lack of knowledge or organization and politics that will be needed to implement and accomplish the "law" he is so eager to have passed.He is not an american citizen which I have no problem with. I admire the man for his passion but he needs to surround himself with some more savvy type political deaf supporters. A hard task for sure! I also do not like the word Deafhood. That's just me but it makes me invision the deaf covering up (the hood part) when I think we should be organized with pride and facts and legal demands. Not just shouting we've been wronged , now make it right! I say throw off the hood, the symbol of hiding and covering up things. and yes I know his intention is that we are all in one big neighborhood, I get that. It just doesn't work for me...but that's just me....Midnight♥♥♥

I understand exactly what you are saying, but Paddy is not a politician or an activist, really. He is a sociologist. He observes, breaks down, and describes the phenomena he studies. Agreed, however, that he needs to enlist those with a more political and acctivist bent. Personally, I think he is really a gifted thinker.

jillio · 06-04-2011, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grummer

hmm kind of agree, he's a bit of a dreamer...
needs a more practical slant to make the whole thinking 'rounded' and more plausible...

He operates from a conceptual perspective. He just needs someone that has experience in application. It often works that way with social change. Those that have the ability to see and describe the depth of a concept are not the ones that actually apply the concept. It requires different skills and thinking.

jillio · 06-04-2011, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drphil

Made me think since becoming bilateral deaf-December 20,2006-am I into "deafhood"? Never heard of this term before.

Is this another intermural exercise -who is real deaf?

Implanted Sunnybrook/Toronto Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

No, you have not yet begun your journey into Deafhood.

jillio · 06-04-2011, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by posts from hell

Basically put, deafhood is your journey in deafness. So, yes.

Yours is vastly different than mine, yet we will experience the same things placed up on us by society.

Here is my perspective...while drphil began his journey into deafhood many years ago when he first experienced hearing loss, he has yet to take a step on the road of Deafhood as conceptualized by Paddy Ladd.

It is going to look to many as if we disagree on this. I just wanted to point out that we are not in disagreement...it is a matter of deafhood as in a physical loss and Deafhood as in a cultural identity.

posts from hell · 06-04-2011, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jillio

Here is my perspective...while drphil began his journey into deafhood many years ago when he first experienced hearing loss, he has yet to take a step on the road of Deafhood as conceptualized by Paddy Ladd.

It is going to look to many as if we disagree on this. I just wanted to point out that we are not in disagreement...it is a matter of deafhood as in a physical loss and Deafhood as in a cultural identity.

I see what you mean. And I have to agree.

jillio · 06-04-2011, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by posts from hell

I see what you mean. And I have to agree.

I knew we were on the same page. It's the others that want to misinterpret posts and start arguments about who believes what and who is on what side.

That is why I clarified.

souggy · 06-04-2011, 02:03 PM

Americanized Deafhood, or the concept of Deafhood originally devised by Paddy Ladd? The latter, I got a PDF somewhere; I will see if I can find it for you. Don't hold me to it since I am not a very organized person. Sometimes it takes months to find a file, or a book.

jillio · 06-04-2011, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by souggy

Americanized Deafhood, or the concept of Deafhood originally devised by Paddy Ladd? The latter, I got a PDF somewhere; I will see if I can find it for you. Don't hold me to it since I am not a very organized person. .Sometimes it takes months to find a file, or a book

Another thing we have in common.

**deafskeptic** · 06-04-2011, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jillio

Another thing we have in common.

Count me in too!

Grummer · 06-05-2011, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jillio

He operates from a conceptual perspective. He just needs someone that has experience in application. It often works that way with social change. Those that have the ability to see and describe the depth of a concept are not the ones that actually apply the concept. It requires different skills and thinking.

yup, and more interested parties to develop the ideas further into something more concrete, i mean 'demonstrated ideas' so it relates more readily to people totally unfamiliar with deafness, disability, and deaf culture...

Grummer · 06-05-2011, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by souggy

Americanized Deafhood, or the concept of Deafhood originally devised by Paddy Ladd? The latter, I got a PDF somewhere; I will see if I can find it for you. Don't hold me to it since I am not a very organized person. Sometimes it takes months to find a file, or a book.

i dont wanna hear a 'americanised' version irks, no thanks...
BUT if it covers how it relates to ADA and how it makes Deaf Rights more apparent then I'd be keen to read it...

BecLak · 06-05-2011, 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jillio

Here is my perspective...while drphil began his journey into deafhood many years ago when he first experienced hearing loss, he has yet to take a step on the road of Deafhood as conceptualized by Paddy Ladd.

It is going to look to many as if we disagree on this. I just wanted to point out that we are not in disagreement...it is a matter of deafhood as in a physical loss and Deafhood as in a cultural identity.

I agree. I see Deafhood as cultural identity.

BecLak · 06-05-2011, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grummer

i dont wanna hear a 'americanised' version irks, no thanks...
BUT if it covers how it relates to ADA and how it makes Deaf Rights more apparent then I'd be keen to read it...

Yes, remember folks, Deafhood is international. Just saying.

Hohtopics · 06-05-2011, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by posts from hell

Basically put, deafhood is your journey in deafness. So, yes.

Yours is vastly different than mine, yet we will experience the same things placed up on us by society.

Up to a point. It's also a question of that different deaf people will have different needs or may handle different situations differently and so forth.

drphil · 06-05-2011, 09:44 AM

My ongoing journey in dealing with HEARING LOSS is now being reworded as a journey into deafhood?
Really?
Not mentioned by Harlan Lane et al in their book a Journey into the DEAF WORLD

.I don't consider that having become bilaterally deaf since 2006 as other than dealing with Silence which to me is a physical fact not a "ideological premise"

To date my Cochlear Implant has dealth with it.

Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony Sunnybrook/Toronto activated Aug/07

DeafCaroline · 06-05-2011, 09:48 AM

"who is real deaf?" - what does that mean anyway?

kokonut · 06-05-2011, 09:48 AM

Each person's own journey in life is a deeply personal one where it cannot be defined by anyone except for the person making that journey. So, there is no need for labeling.

posts from hell · 06-05-2011, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kokonut

Each person's own journey in life is a deeply personal one where it cannot be defined by anyone except for the person making that journey. So, there is no need for labeling.

You're right. There is no labeling being done.

MidnightSun · 06-05-2011, 12:38 PM

After reading the comments to this thread i decided to re read Paddy's book.
Before my TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury) I was a writer by profession and still consider myself to be. So...I just drafted a letter to Mr Ladd, he gives contact information in the book. and i will send it to each source of contact mentioned. I am going to see if he will agree to meet me for am interview. I
am still on staff with Random House Publishing (which gives me credentials). I told Mr Ladd my story about my journey with deafness and how I thought at the time, being hearing and waking up profoundly deaf,it was the worse possible thing that could happen to me..I was wrong! I am offering to meet him anywhere and would like to videotape the interview with a signed agreement not to share it with anyone but those of us in this small group, all at different points of the journey. I dont know if he will reply or have someone else reply but i also mentioned my affiliation with the Green Party here in the US a grass roots group fighting long and hard to get a real candidate on the ballot that counts. Too many deaf dont even bother to vote or become involved in activism in any way. I believe Mr Ladd will respond.
OMG if he does..I will post his response here for you all to see..if not..I am none the worse for trying. laughing..I want to speak to him personally about people I believe he needs as advisors perhaps, since I know that is where i feel his efforts to bring his concepts "to fruition" are lacking. Who knows??
I will keep you all posted or at least see if he will agree to meet with me..
Wishing everyone Peace and the possibility to throw off the cloak or "hood" as I see it, that many of us feel somehow make us not worthy of the rights everyone else enjoy......Midnight♥♥♥

"Ev'rybody's talkin' 'bout ...Revolution, Evolution, Masturbation, Flagellation, Regulations, Intergrations, Mediations, United Nations , Congatulations..
All we are saying....Is give Peace a Chance
All we are saying....Is give Peace a Chance..." (TY John L.)

kokonut · 06-05-2011, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by posts from hell

You're right. There is no labeling being done.

There has been.

drphil · 06-05-2011, 01:05 PM

Deaf Caroline: Who is real deaf? Interesting question-apparently actually being bilaterally deaf doesn't seem to count UNLESS one's local "deaf community" duly approves.

Consider why are there "deaf militants" and NOT "blind militants"?

Can one have "deafhood" and hear at the same time notwithstanding knowing/using ASL?

Is this another exercise in esoteric "deaf values"?

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07

Implanted

06-04-2011, 01:57 AM	#1 (permalink)
missywinks Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Canada and no, we do not live in igloos! Posts: 599	Deafhood Hi, There is lots of good resources on the internet on information about Deafhood. I am wondering if anyone can suggest a good video/vlog or a short article on Deafhood? Thanks!

06-04-2011, 06:07 AM	#3 (permalink)
Grummer Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In the Batcave Posts: 9,539	get the original book, by Paddy Ladd, not cheap but it has a lot of ideas floating about in it, the book itself is not that well organised but it was 'first of the kind' he was simply attemping to bring the fragmented deaf/Deaf people into a consolidated group, very ambitious largely because everyone has their own ideas of what is 'being deaf' is about..but this concept of Deafhood is exactly that, about recognising the differences in spectrums and experiences and as yet recognising the similarity of deaf oppression across the board which in theory should bring to gether so deaf/Deaf becomes DEAF, so we have power to make ourselves heard..and demands rights...where we were denied for so long , even right now we are worse of than blacks, gays, feminists you know why? its simple, they are HEARING< NOT DEAF...... Berry likes this. __________________ "Problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness that created them." Albert Einstein

06-04-2011, 09:19 AM	#4 (permalink)
MidnightSun Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 566	Deafhood I have been familiar with Paddy Ladd for years and his "movement". I have read everything I could and attended 2 seminars. I agree so stongly with most of what he says but feel he is SO demanding and even condensending that he is missing the part he needs to accomplish what he wants because of his lack of knowledge or organization and politics that will be needed to implement and accomplish the "law" he is so eager to have passed.He is not an american citizen which I have no problem with. I admire the man for his passion but he needs to surround himself with some more savvy type political deaf supporters. A hard task for sure! I also do not like the word Deafhood. That's just me but it makes me invision the deaf covering up (the hood part) when I think we should be organized with pride and facts and legal demands. Not just shouting we've been wronged , now make it right! I say throw off the hood, the symbol of hiding and covering up things. and yes I know his intention is that we are all in one big neighborhood, I get that. It just doesn't work for me...but that's just me....Midnight♥♥♥ Berry likes this.

06-04-2011, 12:36 PM	#5 (permalink)
Grummer Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In the Batcave Posts: 9,539	hmm kind of agree, he's a bit of a dreamer... needs a more practical slant to make the whole thinking 'rounded' and more plausible... __________________ "Problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness that created them." Albert Einstein

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drphil Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Toronto Ontario Posts: 4,118	Made me think since becoming bilateral deaf-December 20,2006-am I into "deafhood"? Never heard of this term before. Is this another intermural exercise -who is real deaf? Implanted Sunnybrook/Toronto Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07 __________________ Get Real:Implanted Sunnybrook/Toronto -Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

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souggy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 9,541	Americanized Deafhood, or the concept of Deafhood originally devised by Paddy Ladd? The latter, I got a PDF somewhere; I will see if I can find it for you. Don't hold me to it since I am not a very organized person. Sometimes it takes months to find a file, or a book. missywinks likes this. __________________ "It is my task to convince you not to turn away because you don’t understand it." - Richard Freynman

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drphil Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Toronto Ontario Posts: 4,118	My ongoing journey in dealing with HEARING LOSS is now being reworded as a journey into deafhood? Really? Not mentioned by Harlan Lane et al in their book a Journey into the DEAF WORLD .I don't consider that having become bilaterally deaf since 2006 as other than dealing with Silence which to me is a physical fact not a "ideological premise" To date my Cochlear Implant has dealth with it. Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony Sunnybrook/Toronto activated Aug/07 __________________ Get Real:Implanted Sunnybrook/Toronto -Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07 Last edited by drphil; 06-05-2011 at 09:47 AM. Reason: spelling error

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DeafCaroline Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,889	"who is real deaf?" - what does that mean anyway?

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kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	Each person's own journey in life is a deeply personal one where it cannot be defined by anyone except for the person making that journey. So, there is no need for labeling. saywhatkid and missywinks like this. __________________ Before AD. After AD. "Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." -Thurgood Marshall, former Supreme Court Justice "... turns out they are telling the truth."

06-05-2011, 12:38 PM	#28 (permalink)
MidnightSun Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 566	I wonder???? After reading the comments to this thread i decided to re read Paddy's book. Before my TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury) I was a writer by profession and still consider myself to be. So...I just drafted a letter to Mr Ladd, he gives contact information in the book. and i will send it to each source of contact mentioned. I am going to see if he will agree to meet me for am interview. I am still on staff with Random House Publishing (which gives me credentials). I told Mr Ladd my story about my journey with deafness and how I thought at the time, being hearing and waking up profoundly deaf,it was the worse possible thing that could happen to me..I was wrong! I am offering to meet him anywhere and would like to videotape the interview with a signed agreement not to share it with anyone but those of us in this small group, all at different points of the journey. I dont know if he will reply or have someone else reply but i also mentioned my affiliation with the Green Party here in the US a grass roots group fighting long and hard to get a real candidate on the ballot that counts. Too many deaf dont even bother to vote or become involved in activism in any way. I believe Mr Ladd will respond. OMG if he does..I will post his response here for you all to see..if not..I am none the worse for trying. laughing..I want to speak to him personally about people I believe he needs as advisors perhaps, since I know that is where i feel his efforts to bring his concepts "to fruition" are lacking. Who knows?? I will keep you all posted or at least see if he will agree to meet with me.. Wishing everyone Peace and the possibility to throw off the cloak or "hood" as I see it, that many of us feel somehow make us not worthy of the rights everyone else enjoy......Midnight♥♥♥ "Ev'rybody's talkin' 'bout ...Revolution, Evolution, Masturbation, Flagellation, Regulations, Intergrations, Mediations, United Nations , Congatulations.. All we are saying....Is give Peace a Chance All we are saying....Is give Peace a Chance..." (TY John L.) Berry likes this.

06-05-2011, 01:05 PM	#30 (permalink)
drphil Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Toronto Ontario Posts: 4,118	Deaf Caroline: Who is real deaf? Interesting question-apparently actually being bilaterally deaf doesn't seem to count UNLESS one's local "deaf community" duly approves. Consider why are there "deaf militants" and NOT "blind militants"? Can one have "deafhood" and hear at the same time notwithstanding knowing/using ASL? Is this another exercise in esoteric "deaf values"? Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07 Implanted __________________ Get Real:Implanted Sunnybrook/Toronto -Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

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