Deafhood - Page 6

flip · 06-07-2011, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by souggy

It's a bit of a controversy because... the Brits maintain Deaf of Deaf don't go through a Deafhood journey because they are already born in the Deaf culture, and already has an identity. Those who felt lost in the world usually go through the Deafhood journey. The Americans, however, disagree with the Brits. The treatise has been written, but the application is a bit of a struggle.

So, yes, the concept of Deafhood is based on Paddy's personal experience.

I refrained from expanding more on the topic because I am not a "Deafer than Thou" type who seems to troll me when they gets the chance.

I'm not sure what you mean with the bolded sentence, care to elaborate?

Did Ladd say that Deaf of Deaf don't go through the deafhood journey?

flip · 06-07-2011, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Grummer

YES
it does and he did wrote quite a few, but I can also add on ALOT, (im in process of writing soon)

Great, keep us updated.

flip · 06-07-2011, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

I don't really consider you a militant. Just well iinformed with strong opinions.

It's probably not anyone here of the kind that drphil are talking about. It's just the old boring "deaf militant" and "anti-ci" crap when someone disagree with them.

It just gets even more pathetic when they even don't dare to name those people they label.

souggy · 06-07-2011, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by flip

I'm not sure what you mean with the bolded sentence, care to elaborate?

Did Ladd say that Deaf of Deaf don't go through the deafhood journey?

Ask Mao or Lenin.

Then resurrect Marx.

flip · 06-08-2011, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by souggy

Ask Mao or Lenin.

Then resurrect Marx.

Sorry, but I'm failing to decode this post.

Ladds deafhood will be my next read, so I don't have to ask too many stupid questions here.

kokonut · 06-08-2011, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Grummer

so, explain why your behaviour to belittle others

Who?

kokonut · 06-08-2011, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

Sweetmind? or sometimes deafsweetmind?

One of my very first encounters with the Deaf community online

. Lasting impression.

No comment.

souggy · 06-08-2011, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by flip

Sorry, but I'm failing to decode this post.

Ladds deafhood will be my next read, so I don't have to ask too many stupid questions here.

Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto, right? Lenin and Mao implemented his ideology as they saw fit. However if Marx was still alive, he would tell us it wasn't what he meant. Too bad Marx was a shitty writer. Brilliant guy, just had a hard time communicating his ideas.

Although I don't think people strayed too far from Paddy Ladd's material. However I will say the ideology has been perverted, but not too much it's not recognizable.

That's the problem with Deafhood, everyone has a different interpretation of it. Even Barry Sewell and Mike McConnell have their own take on it.

kokonut · 06-08-2011, 12:44 AM

No interpretation. Just no need for it.

missywinks · 06-08-2011, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

No interpretation. Just no need for it.

This is bigger than just a Deaf person's journey into Deafhood. As Ladd states, it is the goal for Deafhood to promote new, healthy relationships between deaf, Deaf and hearing people. We have been damaged by audism and oralism and this concept is to support us to improve the situation such as our attitudes towards ourselves, public attitudes, etc. Ladd calls it the "Deaf Resurgence".

So you say, there is no need for it? That is not for you to decide.

souggy · 06-08-2011, 12:54 AM

The absence of is still an interpretation in and of itself.

kokonut · 06-08-2011, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by souggy

The absence of is still an interpretation in and of itself.

Not necessarily.

kokonut · 06-08-2011, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by missywinks

This is bigger than just a Deaf person's journey into Deafhood. As Ladd states, it is the goal for Deafhood to promote new, healthy relationships between deaf, Deaf and hearing people. We have been damaged by audism and oralism and this concept is to support us to improve the situation such as our attitudes towards ourselves, public attitudes, etc. Ladd calls it the "Deaf Resurgence".

So you say, there is no need for it? That is not for you to decide.

It is for me to decide, yes. I have no need for it.

Grummer · 06-08-2011, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Who?

YOU, Obviously. Dont pretend to be innocent.

kokonut · 06-08-2011, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Grummer

YOU, Obviously. Dont pretend to be innocent.

I'm asking, who?

missywinks · 06-08-2011, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

It is for me to decide, yes. I have no need for it.

I don't think you understand the concept.

Deafhood is about helping us educate people about who we are and explain that everyone is equal. So you don't think you are equal to the mainstream society? It applies to anyone with any "degree of hearing loss" and whether he or she uses hearing aids or cochlear implants because it is all about their own journey.

I saw this example somewhere, but I can't find it...(I will get the source later) A Deaf ASL user went to a car wash place and he saw a lady with hearing aids. He tapped on her shoulders and asked her if she knew sign language. She didn't. So he spoke and signed to her which he didn't like but he wanted to expose her to ASL and the experience. They started to talk about their experience in the hearing wold. She expressed her frustration with the hearing world and she had a similar experience the same as Deaf people do. She started to lose her hearing when she was 19 years old and even though she uses hearing aides, she still experiences frustrations with the hearing world. She relies heavily on reading lips and having the person face her at all times. She wanted to learn sign language so he told her about sign language classes at the college. THAT IS HER JOURNEY INTO DEAFHOOD.

Deafhood does not save us, but it helps us understand who we are. I wonder if you are actually starting to experience your own journey into Deafhood because you have been learning ASL, posting some vlogs and contributing to AD?

kokonut · 06-08-2011, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by missywinks

I don't think you understand the concept.

Deafhood is about helping us educate people about who we are and explain that everyone is equal. So you don't think you are equal to the mainstream society? It applies to anyone with any "degree of hearing loss" and whether he or she uses hearing aids or cochlear implants because it is all about their own journey.

I saw this example somewhere, but I can't find it...(I will get the source later) A Deaf ASL user went to a car wash place and he saw a lady with hearing aids. He tapped on her shoulders and asked her if she knew sign language. She didn't. So he spoke and signed to her which he didn't like but he wanted to expose her to ASL and the experience. They started to talk about their experience in the hearing wold. She expressed her frustration with the hearing world and she had a similar experience the same as Deaf people do. She started to lose her hearing when she was 19 years old and even though she uses hearing aides, she still experiences frustrations with the hearing world. She relies heavily on reading lips and having the person face her at all times. She wanted to learn sign language so he told her about sign language classes at the college. THAT IS HER JOURNEY INTO DEAFHOOD.

Deafhood does not save us, but it helps us understand who we are. I wonder if you are actually starting to experience your own journey into Deafhood because you have been learning ASL, posting some vlogs and contributing to AD?

Little do you know. Are you a mind reader?

I have no need for it.

missywinks · 06-08-2011, 01:25 AM

Me again...

I know in the past that HH or Late Deafened people had a hard time to fit in the Deaf Community because they were being rejected because they were not Deaf enough, or they werent fluent enough in ASL. But, that was because the world oppressed us as Deaf people and then in turn, most of us oppressed others without realizing it. But now, with Deafhood, it helps us realize that we all have a similar experience no matter what kind of hearing level we have and helps us educate the mainstream society.

I am not sure if this is applicable to this discussion but thought I would throw this in as typically when people are resistant to Deafhood, it is because they had a bad experience with trying to fit in. Everyone is just going through a process.

kokonut · 06-08-2011, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by missywinks

Me again...

I know in the past that HH or Late Deafened people had a hard time to fit in the Deaf Community because they were being rejected because they were not Deaf enough, or they werent fluent enough in ASL. But, that was because the world oppressed us as Deaf people and then in turn, most of us oppressed others without realizing it. But now, with Deafhood, it helps us realize that we all have a similar experience no matter what kind of hearing level we have and helps us educate the mainstream society.

I am not sure if this is applicable to this discussion but thought I would throw this in as typically when people are resistant to Deafhood, it is because they had a bad experience with trying to fit in. Everyone is just going through a process.

Again, little do you know. And once again, I have no need for it.

missywinks · 06-08-2011, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Again, little do you know. And once again, I have no need for it.

Sigh. Maybe one day...

kokonut · 06-08-2011, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by missywinks

Sigh. Maybe one day...

You don't get it, do you?

posts from hell · 06-08-2011, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

You don't get it, do you?

If you have completely no need for it, why the constant blabbering in this thread?

Going after Ridor in your link you posted here and trying to make him look like he was not bringing unity to the Deaf community - I would expect a better role outta you by that alone.

Hohtopics · 06-08-2011, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by missywinks

This is bigger than just a Deaf person's journey into Deafhood. As Ladd states, it is the goal for Deafhood to promote new, healthy relationships between deaf, Deaf and hearing people. We have been damaged by audism and oralism and this concept is to support us to improve the situation such as our attitudes towards ourselves, public attitudes, etc. Ladd calls it the "Deaf Resurgence".

So you say, there is no need for it? That is not for you to decide.

Damaged? It's a matter of perception, some feel they benefited from the oral and auditory route.

Grummer · 06-08-2011, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hohtopics

Damaged? It's a matter of perception, some feel they benefited from the oral and auditory route.

alot fewer than you might think

flip · 06-08-2011, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by souggy

Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto, right? Lenin and Mao implemented his ideology as they saw fit. However if Marx was still alive, he would tell us it wasn't what he meant. Too bad Marx was a shitty writer. Brilliant guy, just had a hard time communicating his ideas.

Although I don't think people strayed too far from Paddy Ladd's material. However I will say the ideology has been perverted, but not too much it's not recognizable.

That's the problem with Deafhood, everyone has a different interpretation of it. Even Barry Sewell and Mike McConnell have their own take on it.

Ok.
Thanks for the explaination.

I'm doomed to read that book, will borrow it from someone this weekend.

inmate23 · 06-08-2011, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by missywinks

Me again...

I know in the past that HH or Late Deafened people had a hard time to fit in the Deaf Community because they were being rejected because they were not Deaf enough, or they werent fluent enough in ASL. But, that was because the world oppressed us as Deaf people and then in turn, most of us oppressed others without realizing it. when people are resistant to Deafhood, it is because they had a bad experience with trying to fit in. Everyone is just going through a process.

This happened to me. I have worked through the pain and anger that being rejected by the (where I was living at the time) local Deaf community(because of my inabity to form signs) and have thought of another way of communting in NZSL by using sign PCES Sign language pces

as well as adapting as many signs as I can to 1 handed

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Originally Posted by missywinks

I don't think you understand the concept.

Deafhood is about helping us educate people about who we are and explain that everyone is equal. So you don't think you are equal to the mainstream society? It applies to anyone with any "degree of hearing loss" and whether he or she uses hearing aids or cochlear implants because it is all about their own journey.

Deafhood does not save us, but it helps us understand who we are.

Deafhood helped me understand my place and space in world

Hohtopics · 06-08-2011, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

One is not consciously aware of the many ways one is socialized to believe.

And that could work both ways.

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Originally Posted by jillio

Of course one can be audist without knowing it.

To be accurate, getting a CI is a way of remediating lack of audiological input. Does nothing to address dealing with deafness as a holisitic condition.

What deaf militants are you referring to? Haven't seen on of those around these parts for several years.

Of course there is such a thing as hearinghood. Look around.

You know there were times I was glad my mother used "tough love" with me when I was growing up. Rather than just keep on stroking me saying "It's always the hearing society's fault. They're all audists out there!"

kokonut · 06-08-2011, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

If you have completely no need for it, why the constant blabbering in this thread?

Going after Ridor in your link you posted here and trying to make him look like he was not bringing unity to the Deaf community - I would expect a better role outta you by that alone.

The label is what I'm talking about.

He doesn't bring unity. Pretty obvious. But that's the beside the point here. Not about him or me.

Don't worry about me if I don't fullfill your expectations. Each to his/her own.

DeafCaroline · 06-08-2011, 09:25 AM

"I have no need for it."

Kokonut - yeah you do otherwise you wouldn't always be here posting and commenting and sharing your thoughts with us. If indeed Deafhood and deaf culture and deaf community are meaningless to you, then you would never be here so evidently, you do care enough to be here every single day even if to keep posting that you don't need all this.

AlleyCat · 06-08-2011, 09:51 AM

Where's my DO NOT FEED THE TROLL picture? BRB

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DeafCaroline Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,889	"I have no need for it." Kokonut - yeah you do otherwise you wouldn't always be here posting and commenting and sharing your thoughts with us. If indeed Deafhood and deaf culture and deaf community are meaningless to you, then you would never be here so evidently, you do care enough to be here every single day even if to keep posting that you don't need all this. Banjo, posts from hell, shel90 and 1 others like this.

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missywinks Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Canada and no, we do not live in igloos! Posts: 599	Me again... I know in the past that HH or Late Deafened people had a hard time to fit in the Deaf Community because they were being rejected because they were not Deaf enough, or they werent fluent enough in ASL. But, that was because the world oppressed us as Deaf people and then in turn, most of us oppressed others without realizing it. But now, with Deafhood, it helps us realize that we all have a similar experience no matter what kind of hearing level we have and helps us educate the mainstream society. I am not sure if this is applicable to this discussion but thought I would throw this in as typically when people are resistant to Deafhood, it is because they had a bad experience with trying to fit in. Everyone is just going through a process.