jillio

We also need to note, Bott, that he keeps referring to the Canandian HEARING Society and not the Canadian DEAF Society. As we all know, that little, seemingly innocuous difference speaks volumes about the attitudes of those that affiliate. Just like A.G. Bell.

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Home*-*The Canadian Hearing Society

Hope this will give you a better idea of what the CHS is all about. A lot of Deaf people are involved with CHS.

jillio

Seems to be quite a comprehensive program, despite the fact that they have chosen to focus on "hearing" in their name.

Mrs Bucket

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Fyi, taking a breather from this forum will help some of you with your temper tantrums.. just saying.

Banjo

Yeah, I think it was founded in 1940. I'm not sure what kind of people started it up though.

Banjo

Good tip.

souggy

Some of us are naturally hotheaded, even in real life!

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jillio

Yeah, I saw on their home page that it was founded in 1940. I just have a problem with any organization that is there to serve the deaf that doesn't include deaf somewhere in its title. Has nothing to do with the organization itself.

Bottesini

Since it seems to have more to do with Deaf than deaf, I don't understand how drphil missed everything since he started using hearing aids in 1962.

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jillio

I agree. Perhaps because he, himself, chooses to focus on the "hearing" in their name.

Banjo

Paint chips, you know.

Mrs Bucket

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Souggy- Hotheadedness is a trait I have learned to let go as it can be very alienating and it can pop up at the most awkward times when it isn't needed. Having a calm and collected approach works, I have to do it these days. Pregnancy asks for it. Jillio- the organization is wonderful and has been very helpful to the Deaf Community. I'm sorry you have to find fault with the title. Is it because drphil constantly brings it up often to the point he has become a burr on your side; you need to fault in something he takes pride in? Just asking.

Bottesini

I had to like it, and laugh. And luckily I had a soft cloth near to clean the Diet Coke of the monitor.

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jillio

I am in no way faulting the organization for anything they do, other than not using "deaf" to identify an organizations that serves the deaf. It is a point with me only because of empowerment issues.

drphil

The Canadian HEARING Society started in 1940. It had/has a separate section "deaf ""which was on another floor from Speech Language-2nd floor.
All classes I had taken since 1992 -2nd floor.I was at Head office 271 Spadina Rd/Toronto. My last Speechreading class was in 2007 before the Implant operation.
I have had a high regard for CHS for the all classes taken and have learned a great deal from the many teachers that I knew. At my request all CHS notes were passed on to Sunnybrook/Toronto re the Cochlear Implant discussions/review.
As for "paint chips" hard to connect to hearing or do Zombies use these?

Welcome back-temporarily Mrs Bucket. Big days coming!

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Bottesini

So then truly, you knew there were Deaf people before you got here, and you could easily make contact there if you wanted to.

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Deaf culture, like many other minority cultures, was largely formed by two major forces. One is the actions, reactions, of the majority culture towards it, and its oral traditions.

BTW I use the term "oral traditions" in the sense of "unwritten stories passed down from generation to generation" and the fact I see signed languages as equal to spoken languages. I see no disparity is saying, "I speak sign language."

Why, even in the 20th century were there no written traditions of most of these people even though the Gutenberg press was invented in 1440? Some five hundred years prior? The dominant culture saw no point in printing, or reading, that which it did not whole heartedly agree with.

The dominant culture forced blacks to do the work it deemed unfit to do. It pushed the Native American Indians off every piece of land worth owning. It harnessed the Irish and the Chinese into building the railroad. It refused to give women any respect for their contribution to society.

It permitted the D/deaf to do one kind of job and one kind only. That kind which would eventually cause deafness in any hearing person who did it. There were not enough of those for all D/deaf people to be employed.

Social Security did not come into existence until 1935, Supplemental Security Insurance happened in 1974. What assistance, if any, jobless D/deaf people received prior to that I have not idea.

I met a CODA and his family in the early 1950's. My friends father was lucky, he had a job. I have no idea what he did. Almost every other Deaf person I met lived 20 to a house, crammed full, where every room was a bedroom, there was little money and they pooled every resource they had. They collected pop bottles, sold "abc cards" and anything else they could. They avoided authorities and the police in any form. They never signed openly in public.

The stories and traditions they passed down included this one my friend's father told us this after dinner one night. They explain why Deaf Culture is High Context and cooperative.


"A long time ago, before America, a Deaf person's best hope was to be a slave. If a Deaf person were a slave, no matter what they had to do they would be fed and given a place to sleep inside. And as long as they stayed in sight of the master no one would kick or beat them -- Except maybe the master if he were not pleased."

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drphil

Bottesini: I didn't know/use ASL. Just got "blank looks" when I spoke to a few deaf(assumed) persons there. That was some time ago. Did somebody want me to discuss Speechreading or Cochlear Implants with them? At that point of time at CHS I was in the Profound Hearing loss category-90 db- still used my Phonak LL6 Hearing aid while deaf in right ear. The situation today is much different.

As for learning "deaf values"- no comment. Still unconvinced that there is something called the "hearing community" which wants to"eradicate the deaf community" Harlan Lane et al.

I have also stated many times- I personally DON'T KNOW ANY DEAF PERSON- EXCEPT PERHAPS THOSE I MAY causally CROSSED AT chs/OTHER PLACES. That fact is true today.

I am well aware of the " ongoing split" between ORAL VS CULTURAL DEAF. Those that use Cochlear Implants vs those that use sign communication-ASL/BSL et al

I still view ASL et al as only a method of transferring information-as a means just like language-English French et al/speech/written etc. The content is the important thing. Isn't it?

Off to Cochlear Implant exercise shortly


Relax in your Rocking chair to a hot pot EarleGrey tea and Prof SKY sends your herd of hounds a meow. Cheers

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Bottesini

Probably they didn't want that. I actually meant that you have no interest in Deaf culture. And not as a criticism. I just thought you had no idea of how to find Deaf people.

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jillio

Those were Deaf people, not deaf people. And I do believe Bott has just outed you and all of your attempts to challange the notion of Deaf culture. You have no interest in learning. You motive is to do nothing other than irritate. Go elsewhere to play your games. The Culture threads are not enriched by your participation. And you have shamelessly used the kindness of those who have attempted to assist you with your feigned lack of knowlege and/or opportunity. The blatant attitude of superiority in your actions disgusts me.

posts from hell

True this.

drphil

The above 2 posts appear to be what was discussed by Heather Marsden: Deaf Militants,pg 5,, Canada Deaf Today December 1998.

As for the computer alleged diagnosis of "superiority" is this another instance of the above article?

Still waiting for exactly what "deaf values" are? I don't recall any transformation on December 20, 2006- the day I became bilaterally deaf- re "deaf values". Should I ?

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drphil brings up a point here; some members do borderline on militancy when they claim to protect the Deaf Community. Some members here are hearing and some are Deaf. Deaf Culture will always be here. One member said to another that his particaption in the Culture threads wasn't "enriching" the section when it was doing the very same thing. You see that member's particaption made so many members participate and enrich the very same thread with their experiences thus making it "Culturally Deaf rich" with so many values and norms. The member that just asked for the "said" Deaf values and norms can very easily go back to the Culture threads and learn about the values, norms and what truly makes our Deaf Community bond together. It is militancy, sheer superiority and attitudes that can destroy a community; hearing and Deaf. We cannot have this as in our Deaf Culture, strife brings negative experiences. Namaste.

BecLak

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drphil

Wise words from Mrs Bucket that should be incorporated into Deaf culture- will it?

I have inadvertently forgot to mentioned since 1996 that I DO KNOW HOW TO FINGERSPELL. Seems it is an integral part of ASL.

Now a full member of cultural deaf-FINGERSPELLING section.

Thanks Bottesini: a round of EarleGrey tea on the house. Even Prof SKY excited about this:4 meows to your herd of hounds,

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AlleyCat

I like this.

Shows that people can embrace Deaf culture at any point in their lives. It's never too late to start.

kokonut

How much does one need to "embrace" this "Deaf Culture"? Is it simply the acceptance or total involvement?

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Bottesini

Due to the wise words of Mrs. Bucket, I am glad you learned to fingerspell. It's useful. So I guess Mrs. Bucket got over her prior anger with you, and that is healthy.

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The acceptance and inclusion of Deaf Culture should always be an individual choice ; rather a personal decision based on the person's experiences. Now there will always be some people that feel the need to shove Deaf Culture into newcomers's throats for reasons they will not reveal but you can already see. Their transparent needs to force some people to conform so quickly without allowing breathing room and thinking room usually are those who get involved with the community for the very wrong reasons in the first place. I have both hearing and Deaf friends that just chooses not to be involved in the Deaf socials and I respect them because that's their personal decision. The Deaf Culture/Community does not make the Deaf person; it is who he/she is on a 24/7 basis.