Deaf Awareness - Page 11

jillio · 05-13-2011, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Sorry folks, but that made me laugh because if history way back about two years ago.

dont mind me, newcomers.

Yeah, pretty good timing since we were discussing audist deaf people, huh?

**sallylou** · 05-13-2011, 07:57 PM

Most people who have knee replacements are motivated by chronic pain. Having surgery to get rid of chronic pain is a legitimate medical need.

jillio · 05-13-2011, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

Knee / hip replacement, cataract surgery: not necessary for a full productive life, but some do it for various reasons.

Those are often necessary for a full productive life because of funtional limitations. A few wrinkles don't create a functional limitation.

**shel90** · 05-13-2011, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Nothing wrong for people to cherish what hearing they have left. That's exactly what that thread was about.

See post #65

kokonut · 05-13-2011, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

See post #65

What about it?

**shel90** · 05-13-2011, 08:02 PM

anyways,,, back on topic. I think all deaf children should be made aware of Deaf culture not to be shield away from it and taught that it is something undesirable.

jillio · 05-13-2011, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

anyways,,, back on topic. I think all deaf children should be made aware of Deaf culture not to be shield away from it and taught that it is something undesirable.

I agree 100,000%

**Bottesini** · 05-13-2011, 08:07 PM

The gift of hearing....do you cherish it?

I thought it could be fun to review for newcomers who want to understand audist deaf people.

BecLak · 05-13-2011, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

You know, it just hit me. I think maybe there is some confusion regarding the difference between cultural affiliation and participation in a support group.

True, quite right

**GrendelQ** · 05-13-2011, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Those are often necessary for a full productive life because of funtional limitations. A few wrinkles don't create a functional limitation.

I have several family members who had full productive lives without, despite having medical recommendations to have these surgeries. They are not necessary, like CIs, but some may value them.

jillio · 05-13-2011, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

The gift of hearing....do you cherish it?

I thought it could be fun to review for newcomers who want to understand audist deaf people.

Again, you are always on top of things, Bott. Thanks!

jillio · 05-13-2011, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

I have several family members who had full productive lives without, despite having medical recommendations to have these surgeries. They are not necessary, like CIs, but some may value them.

Medical recommendation is not always based on functional limitation.

kokonut · 05-13-2011, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

I have several family members who had full productive lives without, despite having medical recommendations to have these surgeries. They are not necessary, like CIs, but some may value them.

A "productive life" is rather a personal and subjective one because experiences vary.

**GrendelQ** · 05-13-2011, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Medical recommendation is not always based on functional limitation.

Yes, but where one might see a functional limitation, another might change their perspective on what functions are desired when faced with the alternative of surgery.

jillio · 05-13-2011, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

A "productive life" is rather a personal and subjective one because experiences vary.

Yep. Some don't see the need to mimic the hearing to be productive, some do. Oh, well.

jillio · 05-13-2011, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

Yes, but where one might see a functional limitation, another might change their perspective on what functions are desired when faced with the alternative of surgery.

That is called adjustment to disability. You would be surprised how many fail to do that.

BecLak · 05-13-2011, 08:36 PM

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Yes

it appears that some people need it spelled out to them

we could always start on a "Deaf Culture for Dummies"

I think a primer might be a good thing. You probably have a good perspective from which to take this on having discovered Deaf Culture recently, and understanding what it's like to enter as a new language learner without access to a local deaf community, something facing many.

One key element to cover would be first finding the path to Deaf Culture.

I feel so lucky to have found guides and a live and warm welcome from the first moment we discovered my daughter was deaf, making it possible for her to become a part of Deaf Culture as a toddler, learning the language as a native. She'll never be an expat Hearie in the Deaf World

or have that period of non-acceptance while learning the language, the customs, something I've heard so many talk about here.

But so many here on AD went well into their adult lives before even becoming aware that Deaf Culture existed -- or that it was something they might become part of. I think you've mentioned a few times that you, too, were unaware of Deaf Culture well into your adulthood, even up until a few years ago. Outlining a map for others to follow, a way to reach people like yourself who may have moderate or severe hearing loss and live a compromised existence that isn't true to themselves because they don't yet know themselves as Deaf people might be one approach towards reaching those who could benefit from an understanding of Deaf Culture.

The reason I raised these questions is not for my own benefit, I was born severely deaf so even though introduced 'late' I already had Deaf Culture a part of me.

inmate23 · 05-13-2011, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by drphil

Inmate 23 - my prior comments re discussion pertinent to Alldeaf.com VS VampireFreaks.com. My comments here were/are not relevant to V F. Personally, never actually met "goths/zombies from V F. Thus seemingly irrelevant to alldeaf.com.
Haven't met the "local deaf" to discuss whether they are goths/zombies either.I have commented before not fluent in ASL/BSL/LSQ et al-either. Haven't decided to hire/secure ASL interpreter to canvas whether the "local deaf" have Goths/Zombies as members. Better things to do!

Jillio: Is this apparently more "non sequitur".? No comment re "travis"interlude.

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07

There are DEAF SKINHEADS who are successful ci users

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

I wondered if that was off-topic.

I want to go find an interpreter so I can canvas my deaf community to verify whether we have goths/zombies as members (I already know the answer). I don't have better things to do right now. Off to deaf canvassing. May take 6 hours. Maybe 13 if I must stop off at my local library to look it up.

Its NOT off topic Deaf skins/goths/punks are small sub culture

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Originally Posted by drphil

My local library doesn't have books re Zombies/Goths/Skinheads potential infiltration the deaf community. Not much comment in the local Toronto newspapers either.
Is this happening in other deaf communities?
AlleyCat: Would canvassing deaf communities on actual members who are Zombies/Goths/Skinheads- be difficult?

Implanted AB Harmony activated Aug/07

successful ci users

drphil · 05-13-2011, 11:58 PM

Inmate23: There could be " DEAF successful Cochlear Implant users that are SKINHEADS"

I don't recall seeing any at Sunnybrook/Toronto recent user meeting-about 300 showed up. How many are now part of cultural deaf community here in Toronto-unknown. Goths/punks and skinhead form a "small sub culture".There to?

I don't recall any comments from Goth/SkinHeads Deaf persons in the cults that I belong to. re deaf/Deaf/Blind/deaf persons in Vampire Freaks.Com which did have over a million members.

Implanted Sunnybrook/Toronto A B Harmony activated Aug/07

Beach girl · 05-14-2011, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Yep. Some don't see the need to mimic the hearing to be productive, some do. Oh, well.

What do you mean by "mimic the hearing?" Wear hearing aids? Use CIs?

Am I mimicking the sighted when I put my glasses on in the morning, too?

kokonut · 05-14-2011, 12:38 AM

Oh geez.

souggy · 05-14-2011, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Beach girl

What do you mean by "mimic the hearing?" Wear hearing aids? Use CIs?

Am I mimicking the sighted when I put my glasses on in the morning, too?

You have no clue about the history of kokonut's audist attitude toward the deaf. It has nothing to do what you're talking about, but rather everything to do with the man's insidious agendas.

Beach girl · 05-14-2011, 12:56 AM

'scuse me? I was asking Jillio, not Kokonut.

souggy · 05-14-2011, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Beach girl

'scuse me? I was asking Jillio, not Kokonut.

I know. Jillio is talking about kokonut's messages, not the concept of hearing aids.

inmate23 · 05-14-2011, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by drphil

Inmate23: There could be " DEAF successful Cochlear Implant users that are SKINHEADS"

I don't recall seeing any at Sunnybrook/Toronto recent user meeting-about 300 showed up. How many are now part of cultural deaf community here in Toronto-unknown. Goths/punks and skinhead form a "small sub culture".There to?

I don't recall any comments from Goth/SkinHeads Deaf persons in the cults that I belong to. re deaf/Deaf/Blind/deaf persons in Vampire Freaks.Com which did have over a million members.

Implanted Sunnybrook/Toronto A B Harmony activated Aug/07

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Originally Posted by inmate23

There are DEAF SKINHEADS who are successful ci users

Its NOT off topic Deaf skins/goths/punks are small sub culture

DEAF skins are small group not surprised u havent meet any

kokonut · 05-14-2011, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by souggy

You have no clue about the history of kokonut's audist attitude toward the deaf. It has nothing to do what you're talking about, but rather everything to do with the man's insidious agendas.

Ah, so, the colors come out then? I have "agendas" now? Interesting view. I just have a preference, nothing about superiority here. And I'm not bashful in pointing out on what hearing I have left is seen as a gift, something that I cherish. I may become completely deaf someday. I may not if come the day when stem cells for sensorineural hearing loss actually does work on restoring it. Who knows. Life is one big adventure here .

AlleyCat · 05-14-2011, 01:47 AM

I would like a hearing person to wear earplugs, and then earmuffs on top of that. For 30 years, and then some. Everything is muffled, no? Not clear? Come back and tell us how easy it was to work, to use the phone, to go to school, to understand everyone else, to distinguish between 2 different high-pitched sounds, between 2 low-pitched sounds, to not hear crickets chirping but some "annoying" sound and wonder what that was, to hear some "unusual" sound you heard in the morning while getting ready for work but didn't know what to make of it, and then backing out of the driveway you see an envelope left at the front door from FedEx that you'd been waiting for days and suddenly realizing the "unusual sound" was the doorbell ringing. To only be able to enable a data-only plan on your phone because you have no hope of using a phone the real way, to see your child crying but you can't quite tell what kind of cry it is because you can't hear it right, to see your house start on fire because you don't realize a fan (bathroom or kitchen) was running for days without you realizing it. And so on. The bus doesn't remotely stop close to here.

drphil · 05-14-2011, 01:09 PM

inmate23 from your comments- surmise you have met a "number" of Skinheads with Cochlear Implants in New Zealand. Pass the word-consider joining VampireFreaks.Com. Any Goths or punks/Zombies around there?
Check out-SkinHeads.Goths/Punks/Zombies- again at the next Sunnybrook/Toronto Implant users meeting.

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07

**Bottesini** · 05-14-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by drphil

inmate23 from your comments- surmise you have met a "number" of Skinheads with Cochlear Implants in New Zealand. Pass the word-consider joining VampireFreaks.Com. Any Goths or punks/Zombies around there?
Check out-SkinHeads.Goths/Punks/Zombies- again at the next Sunnybrook/Toronto Implant users meeting.

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07

What is the average age of the Canadian Hearing Society? That may be why there are no Goth CI users there.

I know of at least a couple who are members here, although not active at the moment.

jillio · 05-15-2011, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Beach girl

What do you mean by "mimic the hearing?" Wear hearing aids? Use CIs?

Am I mimicking the sighted when I put my glasses on in the morning, too?

Stick around. Maybe one day you'll get it. You just haven't yet.

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sallylou Potterhead and Janeite Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: My own private Idaho Posts: 6,653	Most people who have knee replacements are motivated by chronic pain. Having surgery to get rid of chronic pain is a legitimate medical need. jillio, KristinaB and BecLak like this. __________________

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shel90 Audist are not welcome Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: A place where crabs are popular Posts: 40,491 Blog Entries: 3	anyways,,, back on topic. I think all deaf children should be made aware of Deaf culture not to be shield away from it and taught that it is something undesirable. Berry, KristinaB, sallylou and 1 others like this. __________________ "Wine improves with age. The older I get, the better I like it." --- Anonymous

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Bottesini Joe's Friend Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: With Owl Sock Posts: 37,642 Blog Entries: 1	The gift of hearing....do you cherish it? I thought it could be fun to review for newcomers who want to understand audist deaf people. jillio, deafskeptic and Berry like this. __________________

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drphil Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Toronto Ontario Posts: 4,169	Inmate23: There could be " DEAF successful Cochlear Implant users that are SKINHEADS" I don't recall seeing any at Sunnybrook/Toronto recent user meeting-about 300 showed up. How many are now part of cultural deaf community here in Toronto-unknown. Goths/punks and skinhead form a "small sub culture".There to? I don't recall any comments from Goth/SkinHeads Deaf persons in the cults that I belong to. re deaf/Deaf/Blind/deaf persons in Vampire Freaks.Com which did have over a million members. Implanted Sunnybrook/Toronto A B Harmony activated Aug/07 __________________ Get Real:Implanted Sunnybrook/Toronto -Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

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kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	Oh geez. __________________ Before AD. After AD. "Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." -Thurgood Marshall, former Supreme Court Justice "... turns out they are telling the truth."

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Beach girl Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: northern Virginia in winter; NC in summer Posts: 3,760	'scuse me? I was asking Jillio, not Kokonut.

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AlleyCat Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my time zone Posts: 11,087	I would like a hearing person to wear earplugs, and then earmuffs on top of that. For 30 years, and then some. Everything is muffled, no? Not clear? Come back and tell us how easy it was to work, to use the phone, to go to school, to understand everyone else, to distinguish between 2 different high-pitched sounds, between 2 low-pitched sounds, to not hear crickets chirping but some "annoying" sound and wonder what that was, to hear some "unusual" sound you heard in the morning while getting ready for work but didn't know what to make of it, and then backing out of the driveway you see an envelope left at the front door from FedEx that you'd been waiting for days and suddenly realizing the "unusual sound" was the doorbell ringing. To only be able to enable a data-only plan on your phone because you have no hope of using a phone the real way, to see your child crying but you can't quite tell what kind of cry it is because you can't hear it right, to see your house start on fire because you don't realize a fan (bathroom or kitchen) was running for days without you realizing it. And so on. The bus doesn't remotely stop close to here. Bottesini, KristinaB, LoveBlue and 1 others like this.

05-14-2011, 01:09 PM	#328 (permalink)
drphil Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Toronto Ontario Posts: 4,169	inmate23 from your comments- surmise you have met a "number" of Skinheads with Cochlear Implants in New Zealand. Pass the word-consider joining VampireFreaks.Com. Any Goths or punks/Zombies around there? Check out-SkinHeads.Goths/Punks/Zombies- again at the next Sunnybrook/Toronto Implant users meeting. Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07 __________________ Get Real:Implanted Sunnybrook/Toronto -Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

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