SEE (Signing Exact English) is the best sign language for a child to start with.. - Page 6

posts from hell · 02-10-2011, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

He is a d***head, simple as that.

Don't stoop that low. Probably is his goal too.

**shel90** · 02-10-2011, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

Don't stoop that low. Probably is his goal too.

Maybe it takes for one to lower the standards for him to understand it.

**deafskeptic** · 02-10-2011, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BecLak

SilenceGold, the objective of your thread is to prove your argument that Deaf people who have not used SEE as a child, or are not using SEE , do not have proficiency in English and without proficiency in English they have low intelligence levels. I can easily render your argument invalid as I learned to read and write (and yes, speak) fluently and proficiently in English without any 'helps' such as HAs, CIs, or even access to SEE or sign language!

You are basically saying that anyone who is not proficient in English has low intelligence levels. There are many languages around the world that are not English and there are many more non-English accomplished people. There are many Deaf people who are accomplished with ASL or other full sign languages, such as AUSLAN and BSL, as their first and primary language. In the short time I have been on AD, I have seen mention of accomplished Deaf people in many threads. Many of whom have posted on your thread. Stop insulting us.

Juli-terp-to-be · 02-10-2011, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

He is a d***head, simple as that.

Awwww Shel, don't insult dickheads.....it's not worth it LOL

Speedy Hawk · 02-10-2011, 09:04 PM

I know personally couple of my friends grew up with BSL (it own grammar and rules separte from English just like ASL is) have very good English because they got good language from start and able to learn another language easier like English. Their English is LOT better than any oral deaf I met. Some oral deaf have good enough English but not high standard and most are way below.

It also depends what school they go to, first language they get, support they need and parent involvements.

**Daredevel7** · 02-10-2011, 09:22 PM

I do wonder sometimes....

If you (an ASL user) wanted to make a really good speech to the hearing population, would you trust your voice interpreter enough to use near pure ASL, or would you tend towards SEE?

posts from hell · 02-10-2011, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

I do wonder sometimes....

If you (an ASL user) wanted to make a really good speech to the hearing population, would you trust your voice interpreter enough to use near pure ASL, or would you tend towards SEE?

I know my interpreters... And I will trust them more than completely.

Several of my interpreters have Ph.D.'s so yeah..

The responses ive gotten from them... more than wonderful.

jillio · 02-11-2011, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SilenceGold

It's not rebundant...it's understandable. You just prefer the lazy way of communication which drops your intelligence level. Simple.

Try telling that to a pirate or a redneck (with heavy southern accent) that English is better than their "ASL". :p

You really don't have any idea what you are talking about. Right about now, you are looking like an uninformed idiot. Please stop before you look any worse.

jillio · 02-11-2011, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SilenceGold

Seriously I find it funny.

If a person reads the English language and it says, "Hot dog" in the book - does that mean that it is an animal that is hot? There are no clues to determine whether if it is an animal or food.

No - you use the rules of English to know whether if it's a canine or food just like everyone else. ASL users have the easy way of looking at which signs were used for those words (with multiple meanings) to know which meaning it is. That means lower intelligence language. :-/

Not just audist, but pure stupidity. Virtually no understanding of language function at all.

jillio · 02-11-2011, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SilenceGold

I am just pointing out the every day occurrences.

Seriously - if I was at a corporate company in a board meeting and there were two choices of which interpreters I would want: ASL or SEE.

I would choose SEE because I would want to pay attention to the board members' choices of vocabularies and knowing what EVERY word is being spoken in order for me to judge upon whether if those individuals are "intelligent". It would give me a better way to sell my sales pitch as a Deaf person.

If I chose using ASL - I am VERY DEPENDENT on the interpreter choices of vocabularies to make me sound SMART to them.

In order to succeed at SEE in a meeting like this - English language is required to be competent in order to be selling something that is very dependent on how I would present whatever I want to sell.

Is this Audism that I chose to use SEE, which I am already qualified to use and understand, over ASL in a situation like this?

I use ASL around other Deaf people with no problems. ASL can be learned later or co-exist with SEE as it happened for me and many other Deaf people I have met over the last several years (who started with SEE).

EDIT: Added below.

I re-read what I said. I was just picking at the LANGUAGE. Not the hearing abilities of someone. So it is not audism that I performed. Maybe signism? :p

Concept communicates more than vocab. Just because someone has a large vocabulary is not indicative of the fact that they have any understanding what so ever of the words they use. You are a perfect example of such.

Conceptually translating from one language to another shows a complete understanding of the message being communicated, simply by virtue of the translation.

And, yes, you are audist.

jillio · 02-11-2011, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SilenceGold

Lon Chaney, Sr is not deaf. Irrelevant of this discussion. I do welcome names of any Deaf child that grew up within pro-ASL Deaf family that ended up with excellent English writing skills before the middle ages (25 to 35 average ages) while never being exposed to SEE/PSE (or any other English oriented sign language).

Marlee Matlin started with SEE too. :p

I'll give you a clue. Check the alma mater listings at Berkley. Look for a PH.D. after several names. All Deaf of Deaf. Obviously, they have managed to accomplish much more than you, yourself, have.

And all with an L1 language of ASL.

Dude, you are either a hearing person in here to do nothing other than troll the Deaf, or you are a deaf person with serious acceptance isssues regarding your own deafness, and must put down others in order to feel better about yourself. You don't need to spend a lot of time discussing language, as you have no knowledge of that which you are attempting to discuss. You would be much better off using your time to chat with a good therapist.

jillio · 02-11-2011, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

I do wonder sometimes....

If you (an ASL user) wanted to make a really good speech to the hearing population, would you trust your voice interpreter enough to use near pure ASL, or would you tend towards SEE?

If you don't trust your terp to that degree, you need to find another terp.

**deafskeptic** · 02-11-2011, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SilenceGold

Another quick questions:

Those of you who are sharing opinions about SEE - are you an actual user of SEE? Or did you experience the usage of SEE? Or are you really guessing how SEE is used and viewed upon? If you used, been exposed to, or watched someone use SEE - how much amount of time did you spend time with SEE?

So far, I enjoyed seeing different points about SEE and other languages being acquired by children.

When I have time later and a better computer to type down my view - I will do it here when I can. I plan to answer everyone's question to clarify my meaning of the question and also share my opinions.

I learned SEE first in the sixth grade. I do not credit it for my English skills because I already could read and write above grade level. While SEE is fine for teaching English (IE showing the the difference between ASL and English), it's too cumbersome to be practical in everyday conservation.

**Reba** · 02-12-2011, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SilenceGold

...Rednecks say "ya'all" instead of "All of you". Got it?

Wrong. Southerners say, "y'all." Some of them are rednecks but not all of them are.

I can't comment on what pirates say. Nowadays, I suppose most of them speak a Somali dialect.

**Reba** · 02-12-2011, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SilenceGold

Lon Chaney, Sr is not deaf. Irrelevant of this discussion. I do welcome names of any Deaf child that grew up within pro-ASL Deaf family that ended up with excellent English writing skills before the middle ages (25 to 35 average ages) while never being exposed to SEE/PSE (or any other English oriented sign language).

Marlee Matlin started with SEE too. :p

If you read the writings of Deaf individuals who were educated before SEE was invented you would have seen that they had excellent writing skills before the "blessings" of SEE were bestowed upon the ASL community.

Tousi · 02-12-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Wrong. Southerners say, "y'all." Some of them are rednecks but not all of them are.

I can't comment on what pirates say. Nowadays, I suppose most of them speak a Somali dialect.

jillio · 02-12-2011, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Wrong. Southerners say, "y'all." Some of them are rednecks but not all of them are.

I can't comment on what pirates say. Nowadays, I suppose most of them speak a Somali dialect.

SilenceGold · 02-14-2011, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BecLak

SilenceGold, the objective of your thread is to prove your argument that Deaf people who have not used SEE as a child, or are not using SEE , do not have proficiency in English and without proficiency in English they have low intelligence levels. I can easily render your argument invalid as I learned to read and write (and yes, speak) fluently and proficiently in English without any 'helps' such as HAs, CIs, or even access to SEE or sign language!

You are basically saying that anyone who is not proficient in English has low intelligence levels. There are many languages around the world that are not English and there are many more non-English accomplished people. There are many Deaf people who are accomplished with ASL or other full sign languages, such as AUSLAN and BSL, as their first and primary language. In the short time I have been on AD, I have seen mention of accomplished Deaf people in many threads. Many of whom have posted on your thread. Stop insulting us.

Finally - we got a very reasonable response in this thread instead of immature unfriendly debates.

My ideals evolve as the time goes by as I acquire more and more information. My beliefs are never the same. Yet, most of everyone here just came here and bashed me over some certain remarks I made that rings true with facts.

It appears that you are a former oralist.

Anyways - moderators, close this thread...this thread isn't really any intelligent in meeting my opinionated statement with healthy and friendly rebuttals. There is nothing to be gained from this discussion any further.

Tousi · 02-14-2011, 05:55 PM

.........and then there was silence.........

**KarissaMann05** · 02-14-2011, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

.........and then there was silence.........

Why did you say that? There is no need to reply this stupid thread. ... since SilenceGold insulted us and our intelligences. I hope mods locked this thread asap.

**shel90** · 02-14-2011, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SilenceGold

Finally - we got a very reasonable response in this thread instead of immature unfriendly debates.

My ideals evolve as the time goes by as I acquire more and more information. My beliefs are never the same. Yet, most of everyone here just came here and bashed me over some certain remarks I made that rings true with facts.

It appears that you are a former oralist.

Anyways - moderators, close this thread...this thread isn't really any intelligent in meeting my opinionated statement with healthy and friendly rebuttals. There is nothing to be gained from this discussion any further.

insulting people's intelligence will get you that. "Treat others how you want to be treated" and you got exactly that.

**Smithtr** · 02-14-2011, 09:07 PM

Please locked comments

**deafskeptic** · 02-15-2011, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

insulting people's intelligence will get you that. "Treat others how you want to be treated" and you got exactly that.

Yep. The golden rule is quite useful.

posts from hell · 02-15-2011, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SilenceGold

Finally - we got a very reasonable response in this thread instead of immature unfriendly debates.

My ideals evolve as the time goes by as I acquire more and more information. My beliefs are never the same. Yet, most of everyone here just came here and bashed me over some certain remarks I made that rings true with facts.

It appears that you are a former oralist.

Anyways - moderators, close this thread...this thread isn't really any intelligent in meeting my opinionated statement with healthy and friendly rebuttals. There is nothing to be gained from this discussion any further.

No response to Wayne Betts' as an example?

I'm glad I didnt waste time going through a directory of people now.

**deafskeptic** · 02-15-2011, 01:08 AM

opps double post. please delete.

**Smithtr** · 02-15-2011, 05:35 AM

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Speedy Hawk Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: England Posts: 816	I know personally couple of my friends grew up with BSL (it own grammar and rules separte from English just like ASL is) have very good English because they got good language from start and able to learn another language easier like English. Their English is LOT better than any oral deaf I met. Some oral deaf have good enough English but not high standard and most are way below. It also depends what school they go to, first language they get, support they need and parent involvements.

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Daredevel7 Adrenaline Junky Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 4,341	I do wonder sometimes.... If you (an ASL user) wanted to make a really good speech to the hearing population, would you trust your voice interpreter enough to use near pure ASL, or would you tend towards SEE?

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