Hostile society of the hearing people - Page 6

souggy · 10-27-2010, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

DPN was anything other than "a few students shutting down a campus". It was a well organized, thought out, and planned protest that showed leadership. And the community was also behind the students. Many hearing participated in DPN. It is a shame that we tend to forget the monumental nature of that event.

Aye. My interpreter said DPN was much larger than the campus. People actually FLEW in from other countries and Canada to join the protest. Why? Most generations before them had a civil right protest (ie. Stonewall, women's suffrage, black civil rights et cetera), but the generation in the mid-80s didn't have a civil right protest, so they saw DPN on the tellie, heard about it on the radio and adopted DPN as an icon of their generation.

I actually knew older Deaf that were part of DPN, and they weren't even going to Gallaudet, or living close to Washington D.C.

Even my mom remembered it. It wasn't as big as the Berlin Wall, but still!

jillio · 10-27-2010, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by blaqueinque

I agree that DPN was a monumental event in deaf history. I never stated otherwise.

That's good to know. Your statement that it was "a few students" gave the impression that you were minimizing the nature and the impact of DPN.

jillio · 10-27-2010, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by souggy

Aye. My interpreter said DPN was much larger than the campus. People actually FLEW in from other countries and Canada to join the protest. Why? Most generations before them had a civil right protest (ie. Stonewall, women's suffrage, black civil rights et cetera), but the generation in the mid-80s didn't have a civil right protest, so they saw DPN on the tellie, heard about it on the radio and adopted DPN as an icon of their generation.

Even my mom remembered it. It wasn't as big as the Berlin Wall, but still!

Dr. Oliver Saks participated.

deafgal001 · 10-27-2010, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

DPN was anything other than "a few students shutting down a campus". It was a well organized, thought out, and planned protest that showed leadership. And the community was also behind the students. Many hearing participated in DPN. It is a shame that we tend to forget the monumental nature of that event.

I wouldn't know why it would be just a few students when many deaf people would love to have a chance of leadership role without people doubting their ability because they are deaf.

jillio · 10-27-2010, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by deafgal001

I wouldn't know why it would be just a few students when many deaf people would love to have a chance of leadership role without people doubting their ability because they are deaf.

Exactly. It was a community wide event that drew people from out of state as participants.

blaqueinque · 10-27-2010, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

That's good to know. Your statement that it was "a few students" gave the impression that you were minimizing the nature and the impact of DPN.

Gave the impression of or you assumed I was minimizing the significance of the event?

jillio · 10-27-2010, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by blaqueinque

Gave the impression of or you assumed I was minimizing the significance of the event?

Gave the impression of. That is why I stated that it was not "a few students." Couldn't have made an assumption or received an impression without your words. And evidently, I was not the only one that was given that impression.

Now, back on topic.

BecLak · 10-27-2010, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by blaqueinque

Gave the impression of or you assumed I was minimizing the significance of the event?

"a few students shutting down a campus" are the exact words you used. Your choice of words minimizes the significance of the event. The very fact that you are arguing this implies that you either see us as stupid or illiterate.

blaqueinque · 10-27-2010, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Gave the impression of. That is why I stated that it was not "a few students." Couldn't have made an assumption or received an impression without your words. And evidently, I was not the only one that was given that impression.

Now, back on topic.

Sweetie take off your gloves because I am on your side.

If I thought the event was small or insignificant I would not have mentioned it...NOW BACK ON TOPIC!!!

jillio · 10-27-2010, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BecLak

"a few students shutting down a campus" are the exact words you used. Your choice of words minimizes the significance of the event. The very fact that you are arguing this implies that you either see us as stupid or illiterate.

Hmmm....covert hostility?

jillio · 10-27-2010, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by blaqueinque

Sweetie take off your gloves because I am on your side.

If I thought the event was small or insignificant I would not have mentioned it...NOW BACK ON TOPIC!!!

Please don't address me in such a patronizing manner. The way in which you mentioned it was minimizing.

BTW, I haven't put my gloves on yet. Trust me, there will be no doubt when I do.

10-27-2010, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

When have we ever said ALL hearing are hostile to the deaf?

The title of the thread and first post. When you don't say "some" it implies "all"

blaqueinque · 10-27-2010, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BecLak

"a few students shutting down a campus" are the exact words you used. Your choice of words minimizes the significance of the event. The very fact that you are arguing this implies that you either see us as stupid or illiterate.

BecLak I totally disagree with your statement...but anyway...as Jillio stated back on topic.

10-27-2010, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by yizuman

Wow, butthurt much?

Yiz

Not at all but thanks for your concern.

jillio · 10-27-2010, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by blaqueinque

BecLak I totally disagree with your statement...but anyway...as Jillio stated back on topic.

The fact that you are continuing to argue the point is suggestive of someone who is closed minded and not likely to learn much about deafness and the culture from this forum.

10-27-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

I suspected that was you who kicked me!!!

Oh man... Now I am busted.

You really should come to the AD meetup in Chicago so I can kick you in person...

jillio · 10-27-2010, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

The title of the thread and first post. When you don't say "some" it implies "all"

No it doesn't. It implies a majority....and also applied to only those encountered by the OP.

10-27-2010, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

No it doesn't. It implies a majority....and also applied to only those encountered by the OP.

I disagree.

BecLak · 10-27-2010, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

The fact that you are continuing to argue the point is suggestive of someone who is closed minded and not likely to learn much about deafness and the culture from this forum.

Jillio, if you note the signature I think this person just likes to be disagreeable.

**Banjo** · 10-27-2010, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

I disagree.

I think they have a picture of you under the definition, "Anal" in the dictionary.

jillio · 10-27-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

I disagree.

Your perogative. But this is indication that you interpreted the title that way, but ALL people don't.

jillio · 10-27-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BecLak

Jillio, if you note the signature I think this person just likes to be disagreeable.

It would certainly appear to be the case.

blaqueinque · 10-27-2010, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

The fact that you are continuing to argue the point is suggestive of someone who is closed minded and not likely to learn much about deafness and the culture from this forum.

Sorry you feel that way...

blaqueinque · 10-27-2010, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BecLak

Jillio, if you note the signature I think this person just likes to be disagreeable.

Maybe...some say I am agreeable, others say disagreeable...some say I am somewhere in between.

10-27-2010, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

I think they have a picture of you under the definition, "Anal" in the dictionary.

No I just get tired of being lumped with all of the people that do bad things. I am hearing and I am part of the "hearing society" but would never be hostile towards anyone.

10-27-2010, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Your perogative. But this is indication that you interpreted the title that way, but ALL people don't.

I interpreted the title exactly how it was written. In my humble opionion...

Hostile Society of some hearing people

Would have removed any subjectivity in the title.

whatdidyousay! · 10-27-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by KristinaB

I had never really thought of the hearing society as being hostile until I lost my hearing. Some of them can be cruel and heartless, but then again, a lot are totally cool with us.

My thoughts run on the lines of: If there have been the issues for the deaf and hard of hearing all this time, why has it taken the hearing society so long to begin to understand what we need or are capable of? And, even then, most of them still have no clue as to what we are and are not capable of. I have mentioned to numerous people in a lot of different businesses about the ADA laws and such. Their comment was that it only applied to wheelchairs or blind people. I know better, but it seems that a lot of business people around don't know or are just putting forth the "blind eye".

When I got my first HA I only got one HA to wear, it was not until years later people realize that wearing two HA would be better! DUH! When you got eyes glasses you did not get only one len for one eye, so why didn't people
think that we should have two hear aids ! I do not think hearing people will really ever did it. Look how long we had CC on TV and there still are shows on TV that do not have any CC. I think the best one I saw was an ad on TV for a hearing aid and there were no CC! Of all the companies you would think one selling their HA on TV would have CC.

**Banjo** · 10-27-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

No I just get tired of being lumped with all of the people that do bad things. I am hearing and I am part of the "hearing society" but would never be hostile towards anyone.

Well, just remember... it's the norm for the majority these days. Racism, discrimination, hate crimes, etc. It's always your fault, no matter what.

blaqueinque · 10-27-2010, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

No I just get tired of being lumped with all of the people that do bad things. I am hearing and I am part of the "hearing society" but would never be hostile towards anyone.

jillio · 10-27-2010, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

I interpreted the title exactly how it was written. In my humble opionion...

Hostile Society of some hearing people

Would have removed any subjectivity in the title.

Subjectivity, in and of itself, means that what you interpret one way, someone else will interpret differently. Don't take all comments regarding hearing people so personally. I certainly wasn't offended by the title, and understood that it was never meant to make a blanket statement.

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