Wrong word order? - Page 9

jillio · 10-27-2010, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by blaqueinque

I agree

blaqueinque · 10-27-2010, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

faire_jour · 10-31-2010, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

If deafness does not affect cognition and test results, why would you need to have her assessed by someone who is very experienced in dealing with deaf and hoh kids? That is completely contradictory to your assumption that deafness does not affect cognition.

So that she could be tested in her first language (ASL) rather than through an interpreter, not so that she could have a modified test.

jillio · 11-01-2010, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by faire_jour

So that she could be tested in her first language (ASL) rather than through an interpreter, not so that she could have a modified test.

Well, there you go. You admit that her cognition is affected, or it would not have been necessary to have a deaf specialist administer the test. The modified test is modified so that someone unfamiliar with the deaf can administer it and have the same considerations as someone who is given the standard version by a specialist.

**GrendelQ** · 11-01-2010, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Well, there you go. You admit that her cognition is affected, or it would not have been necessary to have a deaf specialist administer the test. The modified test is modified so that someone unfamiliar with the deaf can administer it and have the same considerations as someone who is given the standard version by a specialist.

jillio, is the only difference in the modified test the delivery ( components that are read aloud in the standard are delivered instead in ASL)? Or is it substantially different in subject matter as well?

I'm assuming that since my daughter is at a school for the deaf, it will be the modified test she'll receive, but I'm going to ask in our next IEP meeting.

jillio · 11-01-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

jillio, is the only difference in the modified test the delivery ( components that are read aloud in the standard are delivered instead in ASL)? Or is it substantially different in subject matter as well?

I'm assuming that since my daughter is at a school for the deaf, it will be the modified test she'll receive, but I'm going to ask in our next IEP meeting.

No, it is not different in subject matter. All areas assessed in the standardized version exist in the modified version. Having the areas interpreted into ASL is one of the delivery methods used with the standardized test. Questions that require oral knowledge and expertise are worded so as to not require that expertise to assess knowledge in a modified test. However, the same areas of cognition are assessed.

I would think that a school for the deaf would be using a modified test, but you are correct. You never know unless you ask. But even if they aren't, there will be an administrator familiar with issues with deaf students so that interpreting the results will be more accurrate to actual function.

Juli-terp-to-be · 11-09-2010, 01:33 AM

Oopsy my comment is out of context

Steinhauer · 11-09-2010, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jumz2003

First- I am not deaf myself but a friend of mine with whom I've been writing for about a week now is and the corespondence with her is really interesting and we are good friends now. The problem is that her writing isn't normal- wrong words, wrong place in the sentence, missed words and so on...("my sister of mine is sick-throat,head,not well"; "I going back there..."; "Boy are liars" and other stuff like that). I understand what she's trying to say but several times things went really awkward and we couldn't define what the other was trying to say. I really want to understand her properly but I'm embarrassed that I don't know much for her problem. Is the wrong writing of hers a consequence of her deafness ( I know that deaf people are usually writing very properly)? She's smart- studying in university and working at the same time. So does anyone of you knows why is she writing like that?

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ASL shares no grammatical similarities to English and should not be considered in any way to be a broken, mimed, or gestural form of English. In terms of syntax, for example, ASL has a topic-comment syntax, while English uses Subject-Object-Verb. In fact, in terms of syntax, ASL shares more with spoken Japanese than it does with English. I have some information on Japanese Sign Language as well.

About ASL

I have many friends who write the way you describe. I used to think it was "broken english" and would try to correct them. They would then correct my ASL (which was SEE at the time).

***VamPyroX*** · 11-09-2010, 12:28 PM

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We can't blame writing on their deafness, but on their education and/or how they were raised.

Some deaf people are educated along with hearing students and manage to graduate high school at grade level, while some deaf students are educated at below grade level and graduate high school with 3rd grade grammar or 7th grade math.

I knew a few deaf guys who went to college for 10 years only to earn a 2-year degree (without liberal arts requirements).

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*VamPyroX* bloody phreak from hell Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 40.18, 58.41 Posts: 34,136	Wirelessly posted (VamPyroX Mobile) We can't blame writing on their deafness, but on their education and/or how they were raised. Some deaf people are educated along with hearing students and manage to graduate high school at grade level, while some deaf students are educated at below grade level and graduate high school with 3rd grade grammar or 7th grade math. I knew a few deaf guys who went to college for 10 years only to earn a 2-year degree (without liberal arts requirements). __________________ Check out my city... C L I C K H E R E! (If you've already visited yesterday, visit again today!)

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