Who gave you your sign name? - Page 3

society's_child · 10-26-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by lianne

I dont have a sign name (probably because I am hearing)..

Bah, hearing people get sign names all the time. Case in point: me.

In fact, i'm on my second sign name..

jillio · 10-26-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Berry

No. Or at least I don't think so. My mother, not full blood herself, associated with a mixed group who were like minded and a bit radical. They were bound by the belief that white culture, and white religion, was not for them.

Navajos for sure. I have no Navajo blood, it is Cherokee, Choctaw, and possibly Comanche, but someone in the group married a Navajo, there were several around. I was influenced by their ideas at an early age. One thing that impressed me was they were the only ones who actually spoke their own language. The rest spoke English, many spoke Spanish, and a few spoke French. But on the whole white rules and white culture had erased the native languages of the other groups.

I thank you for this question as it recognizes something I have a hard time explaining to so many people. "The Indians" is a misnomer: there were at least 500 tribes when the white man landed here, and at least 2000 offshoots. It would be like saying "The Europeans" and no one explains if they are talking about French, Italian, German, or or.

I think it would be insightful to ask any Native American how traditional they are and if they replied "yes" to ask how they feel about naming and names.

My mother had a name for me only she and I knew.

I was talking about these things with a group one time and I turned to the only other person with Indian blood, he is full blooded, and asked him how he felt about any of these things -- To which he replied: "I don't have a clue what you are talking about. I was raised Pentecostal."

Thank you very much for your answer. Normally, I would use the term "Native American", but used Indian because of your statement about being a COWI.

And you are correct. If I am dealing with a client that is a member of a culture of which I am unfamiliar regarding norms and traditions, I will always ask for explanation. It is really the only way that one can learn and be culturally sensitive. My concern is that certain behaviors that are culturally bound not lead to a misperception of certain behaviors. For instance, if I have an Asian client, I need to be mindful that if they don't look me in the eye when we are interacting, it is not a sign of avoidance, but merely a sign of respect as is practiced in that culture. If I am not aware of these things, I could easily lable that client as being avoidant when they are not. I try very hard to be culturally sensitive to things of this nature, but there is always more that can be learned.

LOL at the last paragraph. What a great answer that was!

Bebonang · 10-27-2009, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Thank you very much for your answer. Normally, I would use the term "Native American", but used Indian because of your statement about being a COWI.

And you are correct. If I am dealing with a client that is a member of a culture of which I am unfamiliar regarding norms and traditions, I will always ask for explanation. It is really the only way that one can learn and be culturally sensitive. My concern is that certain behaviors that are culturally bound not lead to a misperception of certain behaviors. For instance, if I have an Asian client, I need to be mindful that if they don't look me in the eye when we are interacting, it is not a sign of avoidance, but merely a sign of respect as is practiced in that culture. If I am not aware of these things, I could easily lable that client as being avoidant when they are not. I try very hard to be culturally sensitive to things of this nature, but there is always more that can be learned.

LOL at the last paragraph. What a great answer that was!

OFF TOPIC.

That is very interesting that Asian client not meeting your eyes to talk and understand what you say even if he/she was hearing. It can be hard for the deaf person so that he/she can read your lip or sign. We have that culture too, for only Native American women were not suppose to look at the person when talking. The white people wanted them to look at them face to face but they were used to not looking at the person they spoke to. That is why that culture was taken away and we have to look at the persons whether we like it or not. It is a show of our respect just like the Asian client. That is very weird that they have the same thing like ours.

Reba · 10-27-2009, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kyleb

I think hearing people, IF they are culturally Deaf, should be allowed to give sign names. This segmentation does not seem very fair to me because, I think, sign language was originally invented as a way for HEARING people to communicate when their vocal cords didn't exist.

Bottesini · 10-27-2009, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I asked about that too!

Reba · 10-27-2009, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

I asked about that too!

Ha, ha, I realized that after I posted. I'm just catching up with this thread.

Mr. Averythest · 10-27-2009, 01:02 AM

i just fingerspell "Matt."

Everyone knows the matt around here.

souggy · 10-27-2009, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bebonang

OFF TOPIC.

That is very interesting that Asian client not meeting your eyes to talk and understand what you say even if he/she was hearing. It can be hard for the deaf person so that he/she can read your lip or sign. We have that culture too, for only Native American women were not suppose to look at the person when talking. The white people wanted them to look at them face to face but they were used to not looking at the person they spoke to. That is why that culture was taken away and we have to look at the persons whether we like it or not. It is a show of our respect just like the Asian client. That is very weird that they have the same thing like ours.

People from Japan, Korea and Hong Kong don't do that-- they still make eye contact. However some of the other Chinese students avoid eye contact, but I am not sure what parts they are from?

CJB · 10-27-2009, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by society's_child

Bah, hearing people get sign names all the time. Case in point: me.

In fact, i'm on my second sign name..

Not to mention, do you really think Deaf parents go around finger spelling their kids' names?

Jiro · 10-27-2009, 01:38 AM

awesome name stories, ya'all! and no I do not have one. *pout*

souggy · 10-27-2009, 01:46 AM

Ask the people at the NYC DPHH.

society's_child · 10-27-2009, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

awesome name stories, ya'all! and no I do not have one. *pout*

Why not ask for one? Or am I oversimplifying?

Bottesini · 10-27-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

awesome name stories, ya'all! and no I do not have one. *pout*

I name you "J with a fist punching out after J completed." (May use your real first initial, but I didn't know if I should say it here.)

society's_child · 10-27-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

I name you "J with a fist punching out after J completed." (May use your real first initial, but I didn't know if I should say it here.)

Take it, and run with it Jiro.

Jiro · 10-27-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

I name you "J with a fist punching out after J completed." (May use your real first initial, but I didn't know if I should say it here.)

that's actually awesome! me likey!

I hope somebody doesn't get hurt from punching out!

Frisky Feline · 10-27-2009, 12:59 PM

i would sign like "army" with two a on the chest for Jiro's sign name since his first name was A.

Jiro, I dont have a sign name either. my name is only finger spelling.

Jiro · 10-27-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

i would sign like "army" with two a on the chest for Jiro's sign name since his first name was A.

Jiro, I dont have a sign name either. my name is only finger spelling.

that's also good too! why not both?

for you - I would do cat sign in a slightly revised way - palm out with 3 fingers touching my skin above my lip and then slide down which makes my hand a Y-sign (because I have semi arthritis-like hand). While doing that - my mouth says "MEOW"

Not sure if I explain it right

Jiro · 10-27-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by society's_child

Why not ask for one? Or am I oversimplifying?

lol it's best given to me by somebody who knows me

Jiro · 10-27-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by souggy

Ask the people at the NYC DPHH.

lol they don't know me and I don't know them.

Frisky Feline · 10-27-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

that's also good too! why not both?

for you - I would do cat sign in a slightly revised way - palm out with 3 fingers touching my skin above my lip and then slide down which makes my hand a Y-sign (because I have semi arthritis-like hand). While doing that - my mouth says "MEOW"

Not sure if I explain it right

Video! I bet you have a webcam at your work. I am sure that your work have a program that webcam can convert it into video. so i can see what you were trying to tell me.

society's_child · 10-27-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

lol it's best given to me by somebody who knows me

Ah. Good point.

Jiro · 10-27-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

Video! I bet you have a webcam at your work. I am sure that your work have a program that webcam can convert it into video. so i can see what you were trying to tell me.

I have no webcam at work but I do at home. sit tight!

dogmom · 10-27-2009, 01:14 PM

I do not have sign name story to share...but this leads me to remember....when I first worked in college with Deaf kids in rec. program, there were Deaf staff and hearing staff working together. At time I was very new to it and most of us were 17, 18, 20 or so - I may have been the youngest at 17. Many of the hearing staff were excited at this first exposure, including myself, and asked <not something I suggest looking back on it> for sign names. That was first year...I worked there several years and learned a lot and did not ask again, but each year new college students came in and a common ques. was - can you give me sign name?

since we are discussing giving of names, I think about my late zayde, who carved my Jewish name on a wooden plaque that I still have It hangs on wall. He presented it during synagogue ceremony then. My zayde was furniture maker and butcher. Even though I certainly don't remember the ceremony and he died when I was very young, this is one of my favorite thoughts about him.

nope · 10-27-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by society's_child

Why not ask for one? Or am I oversimplifying?

Is that something you are supposed to ask for? I was always kind of under the impression that people give it to when they know you well enough/feel you need one or have earned one. Is that not right?

Jiro · 10-27-2009, 08:35 PM

For Frisky!

YouTube - For Frisky

all criticism is welcomed! I'm still learning ASL so correct me if I did it wrong or whatever.

*it's a video of me signing for Frisky Feline - "HELLO!!!! My name is Jiro. I know you LOVE cats. so..... your name sign is (I would do cat sign in a slightly revised way - palm out with 3 fingers for letter M touching my skin above my lip and then slide down which makes my hand a Y-sign (because I have semi arthritis-like hand). While doing that - my mouth says "MEOW" - alternatively, you can use M-sign on your lip and then slide it down but my hand is stiff which is why I have my palm out). I think that is a good name for you. yes?? correct?? smile. SEE YA!!!!"

Frisky Feline · 10-27-2009, 08:52 PM

Ha. that's so cute. I did click on the replay a several time. It gives me some time to get familiar with your way of signing for who you are. Hey that' so awesome. gimme more time to check your sign skill since you ask for criticism. your sign is fine if i didnt read your lips then i would think it s "why". but i can read your lips knowing it was meow. But i sitll like it.

Jiro · 10-27-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

Ha. that's so cute. I did click on the replay a several time. It gives me some time to get familiar with your way of signing for who you are. Hey that' so awesome. gimme more time to check your sign skill since you ask for criticism. your sign is fine if i didnt read your lips then i would think it s "why". but i can read your lips knowing it was meow. But i sitll like it.

yep it is "why" sign. I should do it with M-sign but my poor hand is stiff.

Frisky Feline · 10-27-2009, 09:05 PM

I am getting use to the idea of signing my name. i did say "mj" while i sign it. either it works with meow or mj. lol! you sign purrretttttty good and your facial expression is so cute but right.

Jiro · 10-27-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

I am getting use to the idea of signing my name. i did say "mj" while i sign it. either it works with meow or mj. lol! you sign purrretttttty good and your facial expression is so cute but right.

Peanut · 10-27-2009, 10:29 PM

My family is deaf and I didn't get my sign name until a friend of my sister created the name based on my personality/favorite item. Typically deaf families will more likely let their kids get sign names from their friends but, I have known of some that do get theirs from their deaf families and eventually their friends and end up having more than one sign names. Some do have different sign name for different friends, but, It doesn't happen often. There is this "unwritten rule" that does not allow for hearings to give out sign names to other people, however...I think there are exceptions. No one will get killed for doing it though. CODAs can. No one will make a mole hill out of it either, that I am aware of.

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10-27-2009, 12:59 PM	#76 (permalink)
Frisky Feline Provoke, Pounce, Purr Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,712	i would sign like "army" with two a on the chest for Jiro's sign name since his first name was A. Jiro, I dont have a sign name either. my name is only finger spelling.

10-27-2009, 01:14 PM	#83 (permalink)
dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,469	I do not have sign name story to share...but this leads me to remember....when I first worked in college with Deaf kids in rec. program, there were Deaf staff and hearing staff working together. At time I was very new to it and most of us were 17, 18, 20 or so - I may have been the youngest at 17. Many of the hearing staff were excited at this first exposure, including myself, and asked <not something I suggest looking back on it> for sign names. That was first year...I worked there several years and learned a lot and did not ask again, but each year new college students came in and a common ques. was - can you give me sign name? since we are discussing giving of names, I think about my late zayde, who carved my Jewish name on a wooden plaque that I still have It hangs on wall. He presented it during synagogue ceremony then. My zayde was furniture maker and butcher. Even though I certainly don't remember the ceremony and he died when I was very young, this is one of my favorite thoughts about him.

10-27-2009, 08:52 PM	#86 (permalink)
Frisky Feline Provoke, Pounce, Purr Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,712	Ha. that's so cute. I did click on the replay a several time. It gives me some time to get familiar with your way of signing for who you are. Hey that' so awesome. gimme more time to check your sign skill since you ask for criticism. your sign is fine if i didnt read your lips then i would think it s "why". but i can read your lips knowing it was meow. But i sitll like it.

10-27-2009, 09:05 PM	#88 (permalink)
Frisky Feline Provoke, Pounce, Purr Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,712	I am getting use to the idea of signing my name. i did say "mj" while i sign it. either it works with meow or mj. lol! you sign purrretttttty good and your facial expression is so cute but right.

10-27-2009, 10:29 PM	#90 (permalink)
Peanut Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 8	My family is deaf and I didn't get my sign name until a friend of my sister created the name based on my personality/favorite item. Typically deaf families will more likely let their kids get sign names from their friends but, I have known of some that do get theirs from their deaf families and eventually their friends and end up having more than one sign names. Some do have different sign name for different friends, but, It doesn't happen often. There is this "unwritten rule" that does not allow for hearings to give out sign names to other people, however...I think there are exceptions. No one will get killed for doing it though. CODAs can. No one will make a mole hill out of it either, that I am aware of.