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As my picture shows I do the clown bit, tie balloons, etc. When a D/deaf person comes along I sign to them. Deaf children who sign are very happy to have a clown who knows some signs. Asked what my name was by Deaf adults I fingerspelled Mike.
They laughed and initialized my first name and combined it with the sign for clown. So I guess I am Mike the Clown.
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HA this is one of my favorite stories to tell.....
When I was in HS there was a new girl in school, she was very cute! I was very interested and wanted to meet her. After a few weeks I discovered she was Deaf. I studied how to meet signs.... I became friends and yes we dated for a while. I was very curious and kept asking questions about Deaf culture, and how you sign....... Noticed she had established sign names for our friends. One day I asked"whats by sign name"( my name is Troy BTW) she showed me a T shaken(sign for toilet) ME- clueless, thought COOL I HAVE A SIGN NAME!!! one day met other deafies and introduced myself .... spell out T-R-O-Y , sign name TOILET.....deafies laugh....me confused so later learn sign for bathroom and LAUGH MYSELF been 17-18 years ago still LAUGH MYSELF =) |
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I don't normally give my sign name unless someone asks for it or if they show me their sign name.
I think that if someone wants to exchange sign names it is because they want to be friends.
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When we talk about signing as a "language" with all the inherent properties that entails (morphology, phonology, grammar, etc.), sign language is created, sustained, and developed by the native signers of the group (whom are almost always Deaf). Now, perhaps you are talking about prehistoric times? I've heard this theory hypothesized--that the human capacity for language evolved before the vocal folds, and thus prehistoric humans communicated using sign language. I have not seen much evidence for it though, but I'd be curious to learn about it. Seems very plausible. However, there is an opposing theory as well that claims the vocal folds evolved first, thus creating the capability for language. |
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I have always wondered why the person has to be Deaf to give a sign name, and not just a native signer. What about CODAs, who are just as fluent in ASL if not more than a lot of Deaf people? And does it really make sense to allow oral Deaf people, with little or no knowledge of ASL, to give out sign names?
In other words, isn't it fluency, and not deafness, that determines the ability to be familiar enough with the language to give a sign name? |
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It's like this CJB...
You wouldn't hire an American, who lived in Japan, or was born to Japanese parents.... to do a proper Japanese-style tattoo? Well, people do, but you get my drift? Or a non-Polyenasian who was or wasn't raised in the islander culture to give you an authentic tribal tattoos?
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It reminds me of a friend I have who is Korean-born and adopted from Korea but she spent her whole life in Norway. She speaks Norwegian fluently. She considers herself Norwegian. Would I trust her to tell me about Norwegian culture? Sure I would. Does that make sense? I can understand the desire to have someone be fluent in ASL, but it seems to me that CODAs, who many times learn ASL before they even begin learning English, are just as comfortable with ASL as Deaf people. |
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Ah, yeah... sorry,
I means when you go to tattoo parlours, people trust the Asians because they MUST had been culturally Japanese or Chinese... when they never grew up in their parents' home country. Or when an American stay overseas in Japan for two years, they somehow think they are automatically eligible to give people kanji tattoos. Now, for CODAs, I am not entirely sure if they are allowed to or not. I have seen some do it, but again sometimes I am not even sure if they are fluent ASL students, CODAs or they are actually ARE deaf unless I ask them myself.
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But that's my point is that CODAs and Deaf people and maybe even interpreters are often just as fluent in ASL as the other so I don't see why only Deaf people should be allowed to give sign names. If it's about having to be Deaf in and of itself, or both fluent in ASL AND Deaf, then it makes more sense. It just seems that if fluency is what people are after, then Deaf people aren't the only fluent signers. |
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If CODA's are Children of Deaf Adults then I am a COWI -- Child of Wild Indians.
In the culture I was raised to as a young child a name was something people used to talk about you when you were not present -- And it was rude to use that name in front of the person -- Sort of like talking about a person as though they are not present when they are. I very seldom use a person's name when speaking to them. Why should I? Are we so stupid we are looking at each other and neither one of us knows to whom we are speaking?
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deaf name signs
i go to grove city christian high school and im currently taking ASL 2 with Mrs. Nan Haynes. last year we went to OSD (ohio school for the deaf) and someone i forget his name gave me my sign name. since my name is grace and i have long hair it discribes my hair with a "g" handshape.
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I got my sign name just recently from my friend Kathy, who is deaf. I have recently had the wonderful experience of attending a few deaf events, that also included those of us learning ASL. I love going to these! I had met Kathy a few times and she gave me my sign name. (I'm told she loves to do that. Ha ha!) My sign name is the letter L, with the thumb touching at the temple, and again at the chin. She said it's because my name is Lauren and I wear glasses! Ha ha!
Troy (ASLtees) knows my name sign... he just did me a custom tee shirt with my sign name on it! I'll have to post a pic soon of me wearing it.
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Navajos for sure. I have no Navajo blood, it is Cherokee, Choctaw, and possibly Comanche, but someone in the group married a Navajo, there were several around. I was influenced by their ideas at an early age. One thing that impressed me was they were the only ones who actually spoke their own language. The rest spoke English, many spoke Spanish, and a few spoke French. But on the whole white rules and white culture had erased the native languages of the other groups. Quote:
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My mother had a name for me only she and I knew. I was talking about these things with a group one time and I turned to the only other person with Indian blood, he is full blooded, and asked him how he felt about any of these things -- To which he replied: "I don't have a clue what you are talking about. I was raised Pentecostal."
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Berry and ADers, we do have a naming ceremonies for native people who want to have a names given by medicine man or shaman. It usually a baby or a young child getting a new Indian name. Names can be changed twice or more often for their personalities or type of weather and animals. Nowadays, we don't have that anymore or it might be hidden so no one knows about our traditional names. For me, I have never been given a traditional name from the medicine man or shaman, maybe because of my deafness.
I was given my white name (first and middle names) from a Catholic priest in Minnesota USA. It would be nice if I had a traditional name. I don't think my husband has a traditional name either, even if he had live here on the Rez for all of his life. Weird, eh?
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My two deaf buddies I met back in 1995 gave me my sign name, wavy "Y" starting at the top of my head to my shoulders bec of my wavy hair.
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Back in the day, and I mean waaay back in the day, I assisted midwives. (bear with me here) hahaa! There was a young Mexican woman who gave birth to her first sweet little girl. Since this was the first child, and was a citizen, the family wanted to give her a US name. An auntie came by with a US dictionary. They studied that book a loooong time. Finally - PAH! No joke...against all good advice, would not listen to anyone, they named that baby ... Vagina. No joke. True.
And that boys and girls is why only someone who really and truly knows all aspects of the language and culture should give you a sign name. My CODA friend was also a terp. He studied the lanuguage after growing up bilingually. If not, then like Troy, you could be named "toilet". Or Vagina, or Pizza... hahahha. I dont usually use my sign name since my name is only 3 letters long. I usually just spell my name. |
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I agree with you about someone needing to the know the culture in order for them to be best equipped to give sign names. I know, if I ever get one, that I'd rather it come from someone within the community. Otherwise, it seems kind of less meaningful. |
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Wow! This thread is absolutely fascinating! I have always been interested in sign names and how they come about!
I dont see any problem with CODAs or even terps giving sign names! I think the most important thing is that you know the person very well, and they are a good friend. I dont have a sign name (probably because I am hearing) but if I ever did get one I would feel so honoured and want to shout it from the rooftops, please share some more stories of how yours came about... |
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And I would add, that you know ASL very well.
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