What does "audism" mean to the deaf community?

[shel90]

Originally Posted by sallylou

Great point, Souggy. The quickest way to destroy a culture is to destroy its language.

I haven't felt any reluctance from deaf people to accept me as a HOH person. Maybe part of the issue is how a HOH person approaches the deaf community a HOH's attitude. So far, deaf people have been kind in answering my questions and helping me learn (like this thread).

You are right. Because of your attitudes about your deafness and ASL, u are more likely accepted by the Deaf community even if u aren't fluent in ASL. If one wants to be a part of the Deaf community but shows an audist attitude toward their cultural values, then more likely the person wouldn't be fully accepted.

[rockdrummer]

Here is what it means to me.

http://www.alldeaf.com/our-world-our...dism-more.html

[rockdrummer]

Originally Posted by Maria

I hate audism. No offense, friends.

You should because it is ugly.

[Maria]

Originally Posted by rockdrummer

You should because it is ugly.

I know, my dear friend. But, I don't want them to think I hate them as persons for what/who they are. I just despite "audism" by how they TREAT deaf people. It bothers me. I love just bein' me and I accept "me" for what/who I am. That's my comfortin', not theirs. I am sorry if, I sound feisty or spunky. I am sometime bein' selfish about what and who I am.

[sallylou]

Don't be an arrogant jerk really should cover it.

[jillio]

Originally Posted by shel90

You are right. Because of your attitudes about your deafness and ASL, u are more likely accepted by the Deaf community even if u aren't fluent in ASL. If one wants to be a part of the Deaf community but shows an audist attitude toward their cultural values, then more likely the person wouldn't be fully accepted.

This is such a true statement, and one that so many just don't get. Acceptance isn't dependent upon knowing the language. What is most important is giving value to the language and the cultural values encountered. For instance, asking a deaf person what they would prefer, instead of telling them what they should do.

As a hearing person, I have always felt accepted by the Deaf, even prior to my becoming fluent in ASL. But I approached the people with a "Help me understand." attitude. I went into it asking that they teach me their way, rather than demanding that they do things my way. Consequently, I have never had problems feeling accepted inside of Deaf Culture. I would say the same thing holds true for sallylou as an HOH person. She is one of those people that is open to differing perspectives and views, and that comes across in the way she presents herself. Therefore, she has no problem being accepted by Deaf Culture.

[jillio]

Originally Posted by sallylou

Don't be an arrogant jerk really should cover it.

Pretty much covers it! And don't tell deaf individuals, when they are relaying their experiences, that it isn't the way they say it is!

[Beowulf]

Hmmm, when I think about it, I have met several oralists who admitted they wished they grew up with ASL, while I have never met an ASL user who wished to be oralists. Maybe it is just me, I dunno. But I do not see any controversy in the deaf community about the power of ASL. Whoever said that if an ape uses sign, it is language, but if a human being signs, it is not was undoubtedly hearing.
Yup, take this with a grain of slt, lol.

[souggy]

Originally Posted by Beowulf

Hmmm, when I think about it, I have met several oralists who admitted they wished they grew up with ASL, while I have never met an ASL user who wished to be oralists. Maybe it is just me, I dunno. But I do not see any controversy in the deaf community about the power of ASL. Whoever said that if an ape uses sign, it is language, but if a human being signs, it is not was undoubtedly hearing.
Yup, take this with a grain of slt, lol.

I can name a few...

And all of them are bitter because the Deaf community wouldn't concede to their "I am better than everyone" attitudes.

[Tousi]

Originally Posted by souggy

I can name a few...

And all of them are bitter because the Deaf community wouldn't concede to their "I am better than everyone" attitudes.

Hmmm, I am wondering if this takes a back door to my post #29.....

[shel90]

Originally Posted by Beowulf

Hmmm, when I think about it, I have met several oralists who admitted they wished they grew up with ASL, while I have never met an ASL user who wished to be oralists. Maybe it is just me, I dunno. But I do not see any controversy in the deaf community about the power of ASL. Whoever said that if an ape uses sign, it is language, but if a human being signs, it is not was undoubtedly hearing.
Yup, take this with a grain of slt, lol.

I have met ASL users who say that they wish that they have oral skills but none of them have said that they wished they were never exposed to ASL.

[deafskeptic]

Originally Posted by dogmom

In another thread somewhere at some earlier point I wrote a bit my thoughts relating to what Souggy and Sally just now in here wrote - about the connection between attempted destruction of culture - specifically and most obviously language - of First Nations peoples, especially in earlier school settings - and same attempts with regard to ASL or signed languages in oral-only venues.

When I belonged to a forum that was anti new age shamans which had several Native Americans on them when I mentioned my oral upbringing, they pointed out the parrells to me. I must say the treatment of them was quite brutal.

Though the prejudice vs First Americans isn't as overt as it was 60 years ago, it's still there.

[souggy]

Originally Posted by deafskeptic

When I belonged to a forum that was anti new age shamans which had several Native Americans on them when I mentioned my oral upbringing, they pointed out the parrells to me. I must say the treatment of them was quite brutal.

Though the prejudice vs First Americans isn't as overt as it was 60 years ago, it's still there.

Yes... I remember a few Cree students when I was going to school in Alberta. Very sad.

At least BC offer total immersion schools in First Nations tongues... only thing is that they are far and few.

[jillio]

Originally Posted by deafskeptic

When I belonged to a forum that was anti new age shamans which had several Native Americans on them when I mentioned my oral upbringing, they pointed out the parrells to me. I must say the treatment of them was quite brutal.

Though the prejudice vs First Americans isn't as overt as it was 60 years ago, it's still there.

It is a sad and tragic history. Such a loss of language, culture, and spirituality.

[rockin'robin]

Now I undy why my English teacher would make me sit in front of her classroom at school, and would not allow me to sign, only speak. She had a ruler, and would pop my hand. And "mouth" the words, "no signing, speak."

I was the only student she did this to.

She said she did this for a reason. She wanted me to keep talking and not "forgetting" how. Other students were allowed to sign. And I felt so indifferent, was not really accepted in school. And never became fluent in ASL.

[jillio]

Originally Posted by rockin'robin

Now I undy why my English teacher would make me sit in front of her classroom at school, and would not allow me to sign, only speak. She had a ruler, and would pop my hand. And "mouth" the words, "no signing, speak."

I was the only student she did this to.

She said she did this for a reason. She wanted me to keep talking and not "forgetting" how. Other students were allowed to sign. And I felt so indifferent, was not really accepted in school. And never became fluent in ASL.

I am honestly sorry to hear that you had to endure that treatment.

[dogmom]

yes, I agree, souggy, deafskeptic and jillio....

and I too am sorry that happened to you, RR

when I was in college I was in international dorm and had roommates from various countries - Indonesia, Japan, Singapore - and generally met students from countries in Africa, and from Pakistan...I really enjoyed meeting people from all over the world and learning about various cultures. If I had not been open to this I would not have learned what I did and been able to share in any exchange, my world would be less rich. My open and unconditional interest helped to facilitate acquaintances and friendships and really made my time in college extremely enjoyable. I enjoyed benefit of learning beyond the classroom.

[deafskeptic]

Originally Posted by rockin'robin

Now I undy why my English teacher would make me sit in front of her classroom at school, and would not allow me to sign, only speak. She had a ruler, and would pop my hand. And "mouth" the words, "no signing, speak."

I was the only student she did this to.

She said she did this for a reason. She wanted me to keep talking and not "forgetting" how. Other students were allowed to sign. And I felt so indifferent, was not really accepted in school. And never became fluent in ASL.

I think what that teacher is inexcusable. I'm sorry this happened to you.

[jillio]

Originally Posted by dogmom

yes, I agree, souggy, deafskeptic and jillio....

and I too am sorry that happened to you, RR

when I was in college I was in international dorm and had roommates from various countries - Indonesia, Japan, Singapore - and generally met students from countries in Africa, and from Pakistan...I really enjoyed meeting people from all over the world and learning about various cultures. If I had not been open to this I would not have learned what I did and been able to share in any exchange, my world would be less rich. My open and unconditional interest helped to facilitate acquaintances and friendships and really made my time in college extremely enjoyable. I enjoyed benefit of learning beyond the classroom.

One of the things I loved about my son's school was that it was a very multi-cultural environment. In his graduating class, there was a student from So. Africa, a student from Western Africa, a student from Iran, and a student from Norway. Add that to the fact that they were all deaf, and it was a wonderful environment to teach diversity and understanding.

[dogmom]

jillio, what a great opportunity for your son! Did he share any of his memorable experiences with you?

[rockdrummer]

Originally Posted by Maria

I know, my dear friend. But, I don't want them to think I hate them as persons for what/who they are. I just despite "audism" by how they TREAT deaf people. It bothers me. I love just bein' me and I accept "me" for what/who I am. That's my comfortin', not theirs. I am sorry if, I sound feisty or spunky. I am sometime bein' selfish about what and who I am.

Oh no Maria. You are fine. No apology needed. You know the onese that really bug me are the deaf audists.

[Tousi]

Originally Posted by rockdrummer

Oh no Maria. You are fine. No apology needed. You know the onese that really bug me are the deaf audists.

RD, can you expand on what you mean? I find that deaf on deaf friction to not be healthy for the population. They even coined a name for it to distinquish the attitude being sent by hearing people: Dysconscious audism. But if you are meaning from deaf to hearing, it wouldn't fit the current "sentiment/definition".

[jillio]

Originally Posted by dogmom

jillio, what a great opportunity for your son! Did he share any of his memorable experiences with you?

Oh, yes! He became particularly close friends with the student from South Africa, as they played soccer togerther. Because that student couldn't get back home except once or twice a year, he would spend about one week-end a month with us. He would bring recipes for dishes from his country, and we would all go to the grocery to find special ingredients, and then cook a meal together centered around that dish. He loved to storytell, and was quite animated and good at it. We both learned quite a bit about growing up in South Africa.

[dogmom]

wow, jillio, what great memories for your son AND you - and hopefully other students too. The food-sharing is great way to learn about each other! We did that in my dorm, too, and at International Club parties It's where I first learned to use chopsticks, among other things. And I bet there were certainly lots to tell about S. Africa, and that could also dispel people's misperception in U.S. about Africa.

thinking....audism denial of d/Deafhood......

audism - denial of Self.....

<above my thoughts only and not meant to be judgment of anyone personally>

[Bebonang]

I am very much against audism, because audists think they know all about deafness and for the life of me why do they know about deafness, if they have never been deaf themselves. I really don't like them to force us to take speech and lipreading if the deaf child could not handle them. As for me, I went through that in both mainstream elementary schools and high school without sign language, and oh, I was mad at the hearing principal of the hearing high school that he had the gall not understand how difficult it is for us to suffered in a hearing classroom with no accommodations trying to lipread. I feel much better get my chest off on a rant. sorry, guys. :smile:

[sallylou]

Bebonang, I'm sorry that you had to endure that. You've grown into a wonderful woman despite that hardship. The hearing could learn a lot from you.

[Bebonang]

Originally Posted by sallylou

Bebonang, I'm sorry that you had to endure that. You've grown into a wonderful woman despite that hardship. The hearing could learn a lot from you.

, , Sallylou.

[sallylou]

You're welcome. It's true and I'm sincere.

[Berry]

I've never posted a youtube vid before so it may not work right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z_QvIuZZKY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z_QvIuZZKY

Edit: It works ok when you open it in a new window or a new tab, but I don't know how to bring up the picture the way I've seen others do.

Edit edit: Ok did it that time.

In another video Deaf Red Bear discusses dysconscious audism.

[jazzy]

I am sick of this word Audism, Audism Audism from D people who called d people audism. It is alike they are obessed with this word and put label on anyone who somewhat different from D culturalists. D cultralists need to grow up .