jillio

If you advocate for yourself as an HOH person, and I know that you do from our previous conversations, then you also advocate by default for all HOH people. Advocacy for your rights paves the way for the next person. Don't sell yourself short.

Deafness

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Grummer

ditto

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Grummer

'selling yourself short' is typical remark, it is a syptom from a lack of conscientisation, in other words the way the dominant ideas and values are bombarded on everyone, raises the power for those who believe in it, and at same entraps , weaken those in position whom do not believe in this 'ideals' but are still compelled to conform, and thus says the right things, do the right things to promote the ideals of those who actually oppresses them. Jillio's comment provides a hint while its is not explicit -there is a reason behind this, stark expose to the reality of facts and experience being mismatched can be quite crude, even disturbing, it would create bewilderment as confusion stinks in. I do know what im saying , and yet I wil refuse to explain further, because it is probably more responsible to 'holdback' and let the 'rude awakening' to occur more gently in so doing, you would have more grip to preserve your sanity.

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AliciaM

I do advocate myself as HOH, you're right! I have no problem admitting that because I am hard of hearing! But for Grummer to assume that I'm latened hoh, and say it as so, was rude and un-called for. Oh, and trust me I don't sell myself short jillio

P.S. ohhh JennyB oh where oh where can you be!

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AliciaM

And as for your comment posts, I am getting sick of the way you think you are the end all and be all of what is what. You may THINK you know everything but you most certainly do NOT. You have never met me nor do you know how I feel about certain things, or how I act on a day-to-day basis as a human being. I am not confused at what I believe in thank you very much. Also, in regards to my sanity, it is well intact as well and you did not disturb it in anyway because I don't listen to rude, ignorant, inconsiderate people like yourself.

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jillio

You are totally off base on this one Grummer.

JennyB

If I get started on the oppression piece it is possible I will never stop.

You are on a very high horse and making some very interesting claims which, you do not seem to have shown the qualifications to be making. I am not sure what this 'rude awakening' that you speak of is but I do know that it is not coming to me anytime soon. I am very involved in the disabilities rights movement and while it is true that there are many Deaf people who refuse to align with it there are also many that do. I am very involved in human rights in general and I know the ins and outs of it very well.

Quite frankly, your last post was merely a string of extravegant words strung together in an attempt to make yourself seem smart. In reality you didn't really say anything...

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Grummer

what qualifications? but then again pf course we do need qualifications - hmmph - but sometimes i am leery, for it imply a form of comforimity to the hearing world (but again if we want equal treatment we have to be meet half way) but conformity irks me a wee bit sometimes.

Well i guess that we have to 'earn' that respect from the hearing community to speak on our own behalf but sometimes its almost 'begging' for permision to speak? news ideas 'has to rub well' with the hearing - where is our 'real rights'?? coming to that, Disability rights movements, yay great. how so are you involved with human rights?

your human rights model maybe be in different flavour to ours, since that political, economic, and institutional set ups between american and New Zealand are not the same.

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JennyB

I am from Canada

I am involved in the gay rights, feminism, and disability rights movements over here. I work with several organizations to facilitate change on a national, provincial, and local level. I have done lots of media (google Jen Blaser and you should be able to find some of my queer rights stuff) I have served on advisory boards and focus groups for many organizations, I have sat on panels discussion youth rights within schools and anti-oppression education. I have written many essays on anti-oppression education, one of which was published. I was a member of the accessibility committee for my former town, and I plan to get involved in similar committees in Toronto if possible.


I have also spent many many hours researching and then fighting for my clients in community, and school situations.

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Grummer

Settle down, well i apologise for being rude, it wasnt my intention.
The way i sometimes write indeed seem very general, its has to be. I wasnt trying to disturb you lol, I was trying to describe something hat is difficult to explain but like its when you become more critical of how you see things operates, especially the politics of disability and how it connects, runs deaf organisations, or/and deaf organisation, Especially when you look at whos the boss in there and how much they earning and then the whine about lack of budget to really put deafs or disabled people's ideals into practice - they hold back because of 'economic constraints', it becomes hard to ignore to wonder if they (leaders, CEOs, the board members, co-ordinators and such) should be there, like what is their real purpose - just to be employed and slow us down for social progress? Often they talk about new services and new improved structures to contain the budget it is becoming harder to buy in their story.
its like they're bunch of hypocrites. even more worrying they handpick deafs/deafies/Deafs to be on staff and makes it that much harder to untangle the mess - its a hypocrites breeding ground.

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jillio

You go girl!

JennyB

haha thanks! To say I am over extended is really an understatment!

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jillio

No doubt! Be sure to take some time for yourself along the way.

Grummer

Originally Posted by Grummer
'selling yourself short' is typical remark, it is a syptom from a lack of conscientisation, in other words the way the dominant ideas and values are bombarded on everyone, raises the power for those who believe in it, and at same entraps , weaken those in position whom do not believe in this 'ideals' but are still compelled to conform, and thus says the right things, do the right things to promote the ideals of those who actually oppresses them. Jillio's comment provides a hint while its is not explicit -there is a reason behind this, stark expose to the reality of facts and experience being mismatched can be quite crude, even disturbing, it would create bewilderment as confusion stinks in. I do know what im saying , and yet I wil refuse to explain further, because it is probably more responsible to 'holdback' and let the 'rude awakening' to occur more gently in so doing, you would have more grip to preserve your sanity.

well, sorry i dont think so. I was describing exactly what effects Ideology have on people, which is a manifestion of ideas, beliefs that creates social cement (in other extreme occassions - it can act as a social solvent as well- creating war)

I may have used the wrong words for 'holding back' a bit, it should be more like let you discover it for yourself overtime at your paces, for your experiences are going to be different to mine as well as the way we 'think' about what we observe. is not same as denying knowledge, so hence the pace for all dimensions in socal theory are going to be individually paced as does taking action or even being more assertive about what you really are, but I stressed in the beginning ideology is much more powerful than we realise, it does to a large extend 'decides' what we are lead to believe in, and how we justify what we believe in.

How far woud some go to acknowledge oppressions of the Deafs have come a fair way (while still a long way to go - for sure), and yet I doubt many HOH people have stopped and think how much progress was really made for the politics to assert for hard of Hearing people? The fundings have all but been funnelled down to hearing aids specialists, specialised school teachers, etc, while wheres the funds for plans that could be shaped for empowering hoh people? the 'forgotten people' in the middle of two worlds!!

blah i think i said enough and its probably a waste of time posting this.
im just tossing away a 2 cents coin for nothing here.

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AliciaM

then stop talking and posting about topics that don't totally apply to the conversation. Not to mention I don't know how many hoh people you know, but many i KNOW advocate for deaf/hoh and care about how far we've come and how much we have achieved so speak for yourself not others.

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Grummer

No, i wont stop, I contibute all relevent post to any threads, it jsut happens you to disgree strongly and are being defensive and as I said Probably a waste of time, because I know your types happens to be quite narrow minded. Just becuase only you dont like it, doesnt mean you have a right to tell me to stop talking

You speak for yourself too, oh really do you Really know advocate , so far it doesnt sound like it.

and you want to be a speech pathologist this is worse then deafie wanting to be audiologist

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JennyB

Hmm...well...ummm...wow...

So while we are on the topic of oppression, isn't it kind of oppressive for you to say that deaf people shouldn't be audiologists, or an HOH person should be an SLP?

I am Deaf and I am interesting in a masters of audiology. I haven't decided yet but the last thing that would be a deciding factor would be my hearing status. I have had D/deaf/HOH audiologists before and they did just fine.

I think you should re-think one of your posts because they are contradictory. Either you are going to impose oppressive values, or you are going to act against oppression. You can't have it both ways.

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AliciaM

FIRST! I am very OPEN minded thank you very much. Second, you are right I do disagree with you..and what is my type supposed to mean!? You know me, have I met you?! Tell me about myself then! and i am not the only one who doesn't like it..And about the advocating I do alot in school and for my friends, etc. So do NOT tell me how I am..and my bieng an SLP has nothing to do with you or anyone else, if people doubt me than go the F ahead and doubt me..it's people like you who make me just want to work harder and achieve my dreams just to prove your ignorance WRONG!

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Bottesini

He is the voice of 39 years experience of being deaf. Me 51 years. But if he motivates you to work hard, that must be good. I think your type is someone who found out a mild hearing loss and found a new cause.

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AliciaM

So you are saying just because you two have been deafer, longer, that means whatever you say goes?... If you want to play the "i've been deafer longer" card I'm pretty sure their are plenty of people here who are more deaf than you but for a less time..does that mean their opinion doesn't matter either?

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JennyB

...I just re-read my last post, I am exhausted and never edited it. Please don't judge me! LOL

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