rmclendon

I'm posting on my wireless, & not very adept at it.
I don't find the word "hearie" offensive. I started following this thread a couple
of days ago because I am trying to learn,
and especially want to know what we hearies do that ticks off
deafies. I will continue to read this thread, but probably
won't post again, because I don't want to draw upsetting comments.
Thank you to you gentle, understanding
people who have replied without sarcasm.

Deafness

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dogmom

hi there, rmclendon

jillio

You can call me a hearie anytime. Just don't call me a nasty hearie. Them's fighting words!

O*I*C

I was actually referring to the context and title of this thread, not in general. I completely agree that pretty much any classifier can be used in a derogatory way depending on the way it is used. Look at someone and say that they're a woman/man with a look of contempt on your face and you can affectively segregate half of the Earth's population in one sentence.

O*I*C

rmclendon, stick around and keep on posting. I've only been here for what, a month or so? I don't post much but I've noticed that as long you aren't outright disrespectful or arguementative about everything you'll be accepted by the majority as just another member regardless of whether you're a hearie or deafie

kokonut

I don't either. By itself it's not offensive on its own but it's how people would use it that could be construed as offensive.

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"... turns out they are telling the truth."

jillio

That the hearie parents are all about ASL and Deaf culture until they find out Medicaid will pay for their kid's implants, then all of a sudden, they are the most audist of them all. And in the process of all their switchie, switchie, their kid is suffering languge delays because they have no consistent language model. Then the parent wants to blame ASL for the delay.

shel90

Hearies blaming ASL for their deaf children's poor English skills. It is a bunch a bullcrap.

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kokonut

Reading California's STAR reports I can see why some people would question such low attrocious scores for a couple of deaf schools over there.

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"... turns out they are telling the truth."

shel90

And your point is???

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posts from hell

Thank you.

However I don't know who would question schools that are doing well though.

In addition, I don't know of any tests that tests for low atrocity.

jillio

Oh, puhleeze! Checked any of the public school's ratings lately?

kokonut

Have you seen the STAR testing results over the last 10 years or so?

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shel90

Have you seen the impacts of children becoming language delayed or end up with language defiicits because they didnt have ASL from the get go?

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kokonut

That people would easily form their own conclusions by looking at those STAR testing results. I probably could guess what their reactions would be after they see those scores.

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jillio

I have. And it is more of a concern to me than some STAR rating.

posts from hell

Have you seen me pointing out your use of the English language to convey a concept you had in mind was below comparable to the very results you speak of?

jillio

What would their reactions be, Koko? Please enlighten us, Mr. I know everything on every topic.

You do realize, don't you, that STAR testing results provide very limited information regarding a school's functioning.

shel90

Do you work or have worked with children who have been severely language delayed and have severe gaps in their language due to not being exposed to full access language (ASL) while they were young?

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kokonut

Or so they say. I think the issue is a bit more complex as to the reason why.

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jillio

Hey, am I allowed to say what ticks a hearie off about HOH wannabes?

jillio

Please enlighten us as to exactly what that complexity is. Stop beating around the bush with your rhetoric attempting to appear knowledgeable. Spit it out and show us what you know or don't know about the topic.

posts from hell

lol

kokonut

What would you say the percentage on the number of students in a deaf school that fits that description?

Let me add something here. Probably a better question. What would you say the percentage be on the number of students in deaf schools (e.g. Riverside, Fremont, etc) that are native signers whose parents are Deaf?

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jillio

What kind of a question is that? It is not limited to students at deaf schools. How about the number of HOH students that are restricted to oral only? They are more likely to be language dysfluent than a student at a deaf school. How about the number of HOH adults that were raised in an oral only environment and educated in the mainstream that show severe language dysfluency despite their attempts to demonstrate a large vocab? The impairment to their cognitive processes is glaring. For one thing, they cannot manage to stay on topic in any thread.

KristinaB

Is this STAR things with the schools anything related to the STAR 9 testing my daughter had to go through?

I know she went through a bunch of "Dial R9 tests or something like that. All I know is, they tested her so much that she got sick of the tests and pitched a massive hissy fit and just refused to do anymore. I sometimes think schools use somethings too often and don't realize the impact it might have on a student. To this day, my daughter is not comfortable taking any kind of test. It brings up too many bad memories and trauma.

jillio

This is all the result of NCLB. The worst thing that ever happened to education, and here is a poster who wants to give those scores some kind of validity. All those results show is how well a teacher can drive rote material into his/her students' heads. Doesn't show the skills they are learning that will actually benefit them in the future...just how well a teacher can teach to the test. In other words, drill them over and over on what they are going to be tested on.

jillio

You are aware, aren't you that Deaf of Deaf test on par with age grouped hearing peers, and have always been the highest tested group to do so? That has been known since the 1970's. A bit behind the times, aren't you?

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jillio

At least I would be on topic. I don't know where all this STAR stuff is coming from in this thread. Would appear someone is completely lost.