Buffalo

They already have abortions for those with multihandicaps and the likes. How do you know that they won't progress to aborting those with deafness in the future? I agree with you that deafness is nothing as long as I am with people who signs.

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Buffalo

I like that. Do you know anybody in the WFD? Why don't you (Berry or anybody else) check with them and see what they say?

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Opal

How awful!

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*Total speechless* This is very annoyance and discrimination... *shake my head disguistly*

Those people must be uneducation and ignorant and didn't know that deaf can do everything like hearies... and also have good and health talent.

I remembered few years back, my British friend & her husband were being confirmed thru their genes that their next child will be deaf. The reason they want to know is because all of children during her hubby's previous marriage are deaf and all of my friend's children are hearing. After their confirmation, they decide to not have another deaf child which they already produced a deaf child.

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Cheri

Good God--tell me this isn't true. Why do deaf people get to suffer so much, just like how some deaf people were exported to the gas chambers by the Nazis during Hitler's time. Did this happened in Germany in 1933 too where it gave authorized to force sterilizations, abortions, and eventually murder of the deaf? But, why I don't even understand why being deaf is so terrible in the eyes of those people.

This is always gonna be like this having deaf being treated as second class. Face it we are not wanted on this earth.

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jillio

Yes, I do believe that it was a step in that direction. How far is it, really, from not allowing deaf to intermarry to reduce the genetic transmission of deafness (A.G. Bell) to refusing to allowing a deaf/hearing couple to propogate? And the fact still remains that Bell's theories of genetic transmission were terribly, terribly flawed.

Kaitin

Reading articles I learned Nazis in Germany used the US as a model for the Nazi forced sterilizations etc. and then did more than US of course. I never knew this. Several books say this and I can't quote because they are PDF but this is one: link. The US was a model for the Nazis??? Very shameful.

I don't understand also.

Probably you are right IMO.

Cheri

Good God, I never knew this either, Thanks so much for the link. I'm so surprised the same time I don't even know what to say to this point on. Each life of baby should be respected rather the baby is deaf or not. This is so down-right ridiculous. We are God's gift and wiping us out on the face of earth is just so depressing.

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deafskeptic

I do. This has always concerned me. I remember my MSSD history teacher telling the class that when WW1 broke out, everyone who thought the wonders of technology meant we had advanced beyond war and other evils were badly disillusioned. I see history repeating itself again.

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jillio

Absolutely. It is truly frightening.

Berry

You never have to accept other people's definitions, even if they do carry the force of law. For lack of better terms I will say there are disabilities and disadvantages. Having MS with uncontrolable siezures is a disability -- Having the mind of a five year old in a thirty year old body is a disability -- There is not a lot a person can do to get around these things.

On the other hand loss of a hand, arm, foot, leg, speech, hearing, smell, youth, are disadvantages that can and do happen to anyone at any age.

The question then becomes: "Should someone who carries a gene that makes an early disadvantage more likely be allowed to pass that gene on to future generations?"

Then there is the question that is always present: "How far should any government go in protecting its constituants? At what point does it cease to be protection and become persecution?"

I personally believe anyone effected/affected by a decision should have a voice in that decision.

R2D2

When I looked at the link, it seems to be saying that the bill is more aimed for people who show a preference to a deaf embryo over a hearing one, so in other words having preimplantation genetic diagnosis on the embryos to locate the deaf ones to return to the uterus and discarding the hearing ones. So in other words, they don't want people to deliberately create deaf babies.

I am UK born and bred and I don't think they would go as far as to prevent deaf people with deaf genes from getting IVF to get pregnant if they have fertility problems.

I'm sure though that the converse (keep the hearing embryos but discard the deaf ones) would still be allowed, which seems a bit of a double standard to me.

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Berry

I found the site here. They do have a way to contact them. There mission is to represent deaf people all over the world, and this is a deaf issue, but I myself am hearing so I'm not sure I'm the right person to approach them.

flip

We as humankind perhaps shoots our own feets if we starts denying specific genes at a large scale. The mutations and different genes we have, causing downs syndrome, deafness and so on, have side effects that are needed to evolve. Some deaf people have been reported to be more resistant to specific diseases, and strong eye genes are a trait that can be developed through deaf generations due to the importance of vision. Those genes are needed to survive and be a part of the nature.

Some people seems to have a very basic knowledge of life...

Kaitin

deafdyke

Oh, wait.......................so this is more like preventing delibirately deaf IVF babies from being born?
I actually find that extremely dumb. The MP who is pushing for this, prolly has NO plm whatsoever with yuppie moms and dads creating their very own high IQ, totally designer baby.
Deafness is pretty much BENIGN. It's not like something like Huntington's Disease or mild autism, or depression or other mental issues.
I wish people would realize that physical disabilty is something you can adapt to and live rich full lives. Sure, the kids won't be able to hear..............but so what?

Buffalo

Don't let that stop you, Berry. :-) I send them an email and it turned out that they already know of it the day before from one of their deaf board members. They are doing something about it and are trying to connect their British organization.

I'd like to know if anybody in this AD who is also a member of World Federation of the Deaf. I would appreicate it if you keep us informed of WFD's plan regards to this. Thank you!

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Oh my God, I didn't know that Nazis used US as a model either my hubby...

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Maria

Who made people deaf ? The Maker did. It shows obviously that the Maker LOVE deaf people more than hearin' people...that's my perspective.

I opposed them to terminate " deaf " from the face of the earth. I noticed that it was deaf people who invented things and the hearin' people stole their ideas to make themselves rich. Tsk tsk That's dishonesty.

Deaf people have better insights than hearin' people does.

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Reba

Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

This is indeed troubling.

If it passes in Great Britain, the idea will probably next go to the European Union. From there, it could spread to Canada and the USA.

Reba

I suspect if you "follow the money" you'll find the motivation behind all of this.

If you reduce the Deaf population, you reduce the need for special schooling, captions, interpreters, etc. It's all about the money, you can be sure.

Reba

Wow, you've really been doing your homework. Thanks for all the information.


I found this statement particularly interesting, and a potential legal loophole.

If couples who conceive naturally are not forced to have their embryos inspected and rejected by the law, then why are infertile couples stuck with this discriminatory restriction?

Reba

Yep.

jillio

ABSOLUTELY!

jillio

That's a very good point, Reba.

nozobo

check this link out! Joey Baer’s ASL Vlog » WIPE THE DEAF COMMUNITY OUT?! What should we do?

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