deaf people should get ALONG with hearing people - Page 4

jillio · 06-11-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

True..I dont feel that anyone owes me anything just because I had bad experiences growing up...maybe the specialist tellling my mom that I was too smart for sign language. I admit I have a bad attitude against the oral-only advocates who dont believe in sign language.

But you don't have a bad attitude simply because they are oralists, but because your personal experience has given you insight into the damage that can do, and you don't want to see it continue to have negative effects of deaf kids. That's the difference. Without the experience, you wouldn't have the objection.

sr171soars · 06-11-2007, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Absolutely! Cultural reversal. I remember taking a hearing friend to my son's deaf school for the school play. When you walk through the doors of the school, suddenly, everyone is speaking a different language--hearing, deaf, hh--everyone signs. My hearing friend said she had never felt more out of place in her life. That's what deaf people feel in the hearing world on a daily basis.

True and it applies any situation where the "language" is not one in which one is comfortable. An example my wife (who is hearing) was discombobulated in Cancun on our Honeymoon years ago. Sure there were those who spoke English but Spanish was the language of the day. It was funny in a way as I was totally comfortable in the environment while not knowing much Spanish.

Silentwolfdog · 06-11-2007, 05:11 PM

Bitterness is a hard thing to get rid of.

I remember discussing something with one of my hearing classmate. She told me if she suddenly became deaf and saw the way world deal with her the way it did with me. She would be a very bitter person. Of course I was little surprised, but it's because I never understood what's it like not to be a outsider. Of course I still hold some bitterness but I am not going to let it rule my life.

So it's kinda hard to ask all deaf people just to drop "they owe us" idea after all what they have went through.

Sort of like how some people in the south states of US still feel the effects of Civil War even though it was more than one hundred years ago.

I am not asking anything from them though. I just wanted them to treat me like I am a human being, that I have the same desires and needs as they do. That's all I am asking from them.

But that's kinda unfair opinion from me because I know how to survive because of chances I have. Many deaf people don't and they still suffer on daily basis so it's reasonable to see that they feel like world owe them something. Or otherwise they will fall because they don't know how to stand up on their feet.

Sugarpuff · 06-11-2007, 05:18 PM

There are some people who lost their hearings and became deaf. It is not their fault, and they want to catch up the sign language to get involve into deaf culture.
Some oralist people made fun of deaf people, maybe they got bitterness in them to backfire. Same as hearing people, they make fun of deaf people.
It is like we are in balance in between hearing and deaf.

I agree with silentwolfdog that we ought to be treated as we are humans as equal.

Dixie · 06-11-2007, 09:45 PM

But the hearing get frustrated at us because they think we are stupid if we didnt quite get what they said or if we didnt quite get that joke they just shared or we give them a funny reply to their question because we mis-heard it. It has absolutely nothing to do with smartness or stupidity, but has everything to do with communication or the lack thereof.

Sugarpuff · 06-11-2007, 10:08 PM

You got the point.
Very frustrating with communication.

Blade Runner · 06-11-2007, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Silentwolfdog

Bitterness is a hard thing to get rid of.

I remember discussing something with one of my hearing classmate. She told me if she suddenly became deaf and saw the way world deal with her the way it did with me. She would be a very bitter person. Of course I was little surprised, but it's because I never understood what's it like not to be a outsider. Of course I still hold some bitterness but I am not going to let it rule my life.

So it's kinda hard to ask all deaf people just to drop "they owe us" idea after all what they have went through.

Sort of like how some people in the south states of US still feel the effects of Civil War even though it was more than one hundred years ago.

I am not asking anything from them though. I just wanted them to treat me like I am a human being, that I have the same desires and needs as they do. That's all I am asking from them.

But that's kinda unfair opinion from me because I know how to survive because of chances I have. Many deaf people don't and they still suffer on daily basis so it's reasonable to see that they feel like world owe them something. Or otherwise they will fall because they don't know how to stand up on their feet.

Hear, Hear! I agree with all of this.

The hearing people do not owe us anything. We have to climb the proverbial ladder in order to earn our dues in society just like the hearing people have to earn their dues in society (Sorry, celebrities do not count because some of them did not earn their dues. Does the names, Ms. Spears, Ms. Hilton, and Ms. Lohan ring anything?)

jillio · 06-12-2007, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sr171soars

True and it applies any situation where the "language" is not one in which one is comfortable. An example my wife (who is hearing) was discombobulated in Cancun on our Honeymoon years ago. Sure there were those who spoke English but Spanish was the language of the day. It was funny in a way as I was totally comfortable in the environment while not knowing much Spanish.

Perhaps the fact that you experience that uncomfortable feeling as a result of your hearing loss allowed you to more easily adapt?

jillio · 06-12-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade Runner

Hear, Hear! I agree with all of this.

The hearing people do not owe us anything. We have to climb the proverbial ladder in order to earn our dues in society just like the hearing people have to earn their dues in society (Sorry, celebrities do not count because some of them did not earn their dues. Does the names, Ms. Spears, Ms. Hilton, and Ms. Lohan ring anything?)

Absolutely. And I've never met a deaf person yet that wasn't willing to pay their dues. All they ask is for a level playing field.

Tousi · 06-12-2007, 04:19 PM

And therein lies the rub.....the proverbial level playing field.....non-existent in some quarters of the deaf world....

sr171soars · 06-12-2007, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Perhaps the fact that you experience that uncomfortable feeling as a result of your hearing loss allowed you to more easily adapt?

Actually, I think it was more the fact that the older I get the less things like this bother me. As for adapting, I had to "adapt" since I was very young and thus never really experience being uncomfortable like others. In other words, this was the way it was going to be...

Blade Runner · 06-12-2007, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Absolutely. And I've never met a deaf person yet that wasn't willing to pay their dues. All they ask is for a level playing field.

Some deaf people do ask that, but most of deaf people misunderstand that and think they should be owed for everything they have done.

Kinda silly, don't you agree?

besemiasno · 06-12-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SxyPorkie

I guess you are hearing.... You have no respect for us deafies... why should you come in here.... you have no right to insult us...... so be it... You have NO right to judge us deafies.. SHADDUP...

My. You're so quick to jump the gun without using your logical, critical thinking skills.

That just shows the first poster of this thread is right. Deaf people really need to work hard on their people skills or they'll turn into fat, greasy, miserable mini-Jane-Fernandesies!

Don't be a Jane!

***Jolie77*** · 06-12-2007, 08:03 PM

You know, there's always going to have some few bad apples in both worlds but you know what?

That shouldn't keep us from trying to be rude to each other whether we're hearing or deaf. I have known some deaf people who have took so much stride into them that they would shut the rest of others out. That is not even good.

I think it would be better that way if both worlds were able to try to work it out together but unfortunately, that is a wishful thinking because communication barriers will always till be there. Yes, the communication barrier is still there but with the technology we have now, it has helped a lot better. It doesn't give us the right to be rude to each other just because the other party is ignorant or whatever it is.

Basically, I think it is how you read their attitude towards you regarding of their hearing or deafness. Sometime it is rude, sometime it isn't. It just depends on how the situation is. But, in general, yes there are rude hearing people just as much as we do have rude deaf people as well. There are polite folks out there as well. It is just how we acquire it one way or other.

besemiasno · 06-12-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade Runner

Some deaf people do ask that, but most of deaf people misunderstand that and think they should be owed for everything they have done.

Kinda silly, don't you agree?

I know some fat Deaf bitches who stay home all the time while collecting SSI and never working. They expect the whole fucking world owes them just because their parents ruined their adapting and ability for independent living by feeding them with a silver spoon!

R2D2 · 06-12-2007, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sr171soars

True and it applies any situation where the "language" is not one in which one is comfortable. An example my wife (who is hearing) was discombobulated in Cancun on our Honeymoon years ago. Sure there were those who spoke English but Spanish was the language of the day. It was funny in a way as I was totally comfortable in the environment while not knowing much Spanish.

It's funny you used that example. My husband and I experienced this too on holiday in France. He panicked because he couldn't speak the language but I on the other hand was pretty relaxed. I was confident that I would find a way to get by even though my French wasn't that good. Maybe when we are used to negotiating with the hearing world we become more confident when we are out of water in other situations too?

***VamPyroX*** · 06-12-2007, 09:52 PM

I don't think that it's entirely the way we dress that deaf people have to think about. It's the way deaf people act.

Take metrosexuals for example. The way they dress would be perceived as making them GLBT. Why? It's a stereotype that people have of metrosexuals. Well, I don't always see it that way. I always observe by how they act... not how they dress. For me, it's "too much" or "too little" that's a problem.

If you're clean and don't smell bad, then you're fine. If you're filthy or have horrible smell due to lack of cleaning yourself, you need help. If you're clean, but too dressed up and wearing too much perfume or cologne... you need help.

Blade Runner · 06-12-2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by besemiasno

My. You're so quick to jump the gun without using your logical, critical thinking skills.

That just shows the first poster of this thread is right. Deaf people really need to work hard on their people skills or they'll turn into fat, greasy, miserable mini-Jane-Fernandesies!

Don't be a Jane!

Actually there have been a lot of Janes long before Ms. Fernandes became assoicated with how some deaf people behave.

We could keep trying to convince them that what they are doing is wrong but they're like rocks; stubborn and refusing to budge. That's the way some deaf people are like.

Blade Runner · 06-12-2007, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by besemiasno

I know some fat Deaf bitches who stay home all the time while collecting SSI and never working. They expect the whole fucking world owes them just because their parents ruined their adapting and ability for independent living by feeding them with a silver spoon!

Yea, most Deaf people are like that. But I didn't choose to be on SSI. I was forced to live on it only because if i don't get SSI, I would be throwing away my financial support for RIT, according to the government.

But don't worry when I graduate, I plan to kiss goodbye to SSI because I would prefer to find a job.

sr171soars · 06-12-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by R2D2

It's funny you used that example. My husband and I experienced this too on holiday in France. He panicked because he couldn't speak the language but I on the other hand was pretty relaxed. I was confident that I would find a way to get by even though my French wasn't that good. Maybe when we are used to negotiating with the hearing world we become more confident when we are out of water in other situations too?

As they say "BINGO"!

Yep, I totally agree with you. I think you know that even hearing people pickup useful body language along with words to facilitate decent communication. I have an easier time than most hearing when talking with those that English is their second or third language. What great irony here!!!

I only beef with my wife

is that she has no clue how to use her body language to communicate. I mean she is quite awful with some of the gestures she comes up with and expects me to understand them. My near 10 year old son is way ahead of her there. I'm amazed at how well he can get something across to me when my CI is off (my lipreading skills has gone south

).

sr171soars · 06-12-2007, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade Runner

Some deaf people do ask that, but most of deaf people misunderstand that and think they should be owed for everything they have done.

Kinda silly, don't you agree?

Indeed! I never understood the mentality.

besemiasno · 06-12-2007, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade Runner

Yea, most Deaf people are like that. But I didn't choose to be on SSI. I was forced to live on it only because if i don't get SSI, I would be throwing away my financial support for RIT, according to the government.

But don't worry when I graduate, I plan to kiss goodbye to SSI because I would prefer to find a job.

You just scored points with me! I get what you mean.. I wan't to be off SSI or SSDI as soon as I finish school.

Blade Runner · 06-12-2007, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sr171soars

Indeed! I never understood the mentality.

Agreed. I have long struggled with their mentality. I'm reviled by some deaf people in Rochester because they think I don't "get it."

Get what? That they think they're right that they expect a lot from the hearing community so they have to act like arses?

Yeah, great logic they've got going on there.

Blade Runner · 06-12-2007, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by besemiasno

You just scored points with me! I get what you mean.. I wan't to be off SSI or SSDI as soon as I finish school.

Yeah, it is unfortuate that most of the deaf people we know don't understand why we need SSI....

spainmale · 06-13-2007, 12:13 AM

well, i believe hearing and deaf people have difficulty communicate. They dont know how to say anything. I remembered when i asked Human Resource for job application and they were unfriendly to me. Three times i was told that I point to my ear and shake my head. I signed write and they didnt understand i said.. Oh my gawk.. I am awared that hearing and deaf ppls are very uncomfortable they do not get along well..

besemiasno · 06-13-2007, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Blade Runner

Yeah, it is unfortuate that most of the deaf people we know don't understand why we need SSI....

SSI is only there as a temporary crutch to help the disabled and Deaf to cover the cost of living until they get a better paying job.

It's the lazy ones that pisses me off, those party animal Deafies who never go work and depend on SSI all the time..

Sad thing is, there was this Deaf woman who never worked at all her whole life. She always had and used SSI. Once she became

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Silentwolfdog a toku fangirl Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 702	Bitterness is a hard thing to get rid of. I remember discussing something with one of my hearing classmate. She told me if she suddenly became deaf and saw the way world deal with her the way it did with me. She would be a very bitter person. Of course I was little surprised, but it's because I never understood what's it like not to be a outsider. Of course I still hold some bitterness but I am not going to let it rule my life. So it's kinda hard to ask all deaf people just to drop "they owe us" idea after all what they have went through. Sort of like how some people in the south states of US still feel the effects of Civil War even though it was more than one hundred years ago. I am not asking anything from them though. I just wanted them to treat me like I am a human being, that I have the same desires and needs as they do. That's all I am asking from them. But that's kinda unfair opinion from me because I know how to survive because of chances I have. Many deaf people don't and they still suffer on daily basis so it's reasonable to see that they feel like world owe them something. Or otherwise they will fall because they don't know how to stand up on their feet. __________________ If you are using red or blue font, there's a good chance that I am not reading your posts due to it being blended into background! I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. ~Sarah William Check my art at http://silentwolfdog.deviantart.com

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*Jolie77* Love all, trust a few. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kentucky, USA (The Bluegrass State) Posts: 5,497	You know, there's always going to have some few bad apples in both worlds but you know what? That shouldn't keep us from trying to be rude to each other whether we're hearing or deaf. I have known some deaf people who have took so much stride into them that they would shut the rest of others out. That is not even good. I think it would be better that way if both worlds were able to try to work it out together but unfortunately, that is a wishful thinking because communication barriers will always till be there. Yes, the communication barrier is still there but with the technology we have now, it has helped a lot better. It doesn't give us the right to be rude to each other just because the other party is ignorant or whatever it is. Basically, I think it is how you read their attitude towards you regarding of their hearing or deafness. Sometime it is rude, sometime it isn't. It just depends on how the situation is. But, in general, yes there are rude hearing people just as much as we do have rude deaf people as well. There are polite folks out there as well. It is just how we acquire it one way or other. __________________

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Sugarpuff Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 168	There are some people who lost their hearings and became deaf. It is not their fault, and they want to catch up the sign language to get involve into deaf culture. Some oralist people made fun of deaf people, maybe they got bitterness in them to backfire. Same as hearing people, they make fun of deaf people. It is like we are in balance in between hearing and deaf. I agree with silentwolfdog that we ought to be treated as we are humans as equal.

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Sugarpuff Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 168	You got the point. Very frustrating with communication.

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Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 8,238	And therein lies the rub.....the proverbial level playing field.....non-existent in some quarters of the deaf world....

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spainmale Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 249	well, i believe hearing and deaf people have difficulty communicate. They dont know how to say anything. I remembered when i asked Human Resource for job application and they were unfriendly to me. Three times i was told that I point to my ear and shake my head. I signed write and they didnt understand i said.. Oh my gawk.. I am awared that hearing and deaf ppls are very uncomfortable they do not get along well..