Why Deaf films failed?[VID]

Boult · 05-18-2007, 09:01 AM

source: Blueapplefilms.com Blog » Why Deaf Films Failed!

Boult · 05-18-2007, 09:04 AM

The reason I posted this is because I liked some of many rants he made. But on the whole, I agree with him that none of Deaf films are on par with those films from Hollywood or Bollywood or elsewhere.

Silentwolfdog · 05-18-2007, 02:28 PM

I don't know what to say. I have never seen ASL or deaf films before. But it's not only that we have problem, a lot of hearing films failed too. It's tough to get in. There's thousands of films that never made to nationwide theatre. And foreign films aren't that popular in US. I guess ASL is like a foreign language to hearing people because there's a very low percent of hearing people who understand ASL or prefer subtitles.

drl-lion · 05-23-2007, 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boult

source: Blueapplefilms.com Blog » Why Deaf Films Failed!

im agree with gray did work hard he own movie and websit
something tell you( all deaf) stop ssi and lazy stay home quite lazy
i know deaf can doing but still sad
thank boult bring here about blog blueapple
ssi will close soon i hope

Cheri · 05-23-2007, 07:15 AM

I agree with him too, I've seen some deaf films that are so boring not like other films that I've watched are exciting and interesting. He got a good point there, stop the laziness and work harder.

Capmeister · 05-23-2007, 08:54 AM

Well, he's very passionate, for sure. I understand what he's saying, but I assume part of the problem is that most deaf films would--if totally with deaf actors and such--perhaps be a niche film. So you're talking about basically, what is to most hearing people, a "foreign langauge" film in that those that aren't signers would need to read captions, like silentwolfdog said. Certainly it's possible to do that, but will you get a budget from investors that will allow professional writing, actors, camera work, props, directors, etc?

It's possible to do it all low budget, and I guess what he's saying is that it just needs to really be worked on. I hope he succeeds in his own efforts. His passion will help.

Deafilmedia · 06-12-2007, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silentwolfdog

I don't know what to say. I have never seen ASL or deaf films before. But it's not only that we have problem, a lot of hearing films failed too. It's tough to get in. There's thousands of films that never made to nationwide theatre. And foreign films aren't that popular in US. I guess ASL is like a foreign language to hearing people because there's a very low percent of hearing people who understand ASL or prefer subtitles.

Well... the only only only successful foreign film that made $300 million or
more... is "Passion" made by Gibson.

Deafilmedia · 06-12-2007, 11:07 PM

well I am working harder...

I get tutor from film expert at my film school...

Deafilmedia · 06-12-2007, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capmeister

Well, he's very passionate, for sure. I understand what he's saying, but I assume part of the problem is that most deaf films would--if totally with deaf actors and such--perhaps be a niche film. So you're talking about basically, what is to most hearing people, a "foreign langauge" film in that those that aren't signers would need to read captions, like silentwolfdog said. Certainly it's possible to do that, but will you get a budget from investors that will allow professional writing, actors, camera work, props, directors, etc?

It's possible to do it all low budget, and I guess what he's saying is that it just needs to really be worked on. I hope he succeeds in his own efforts. His passion will help.

These Deaf actors that the Deaf filmmakers are using... are NOBODY.
And plus they can't act.

Even Marlee Matlin doesn't have larger fans as Angelina Jolie or Denzel Washington...

Nomad · 06-17-2007, 05:20 AM

My son is heavily involved in the production of a weekly TV show here. He has a type of schizophrenic illness and is on a disability pension.

This show is shown on a minority channel and seems to do fairly well as it is in the prime timeslot for the night.

I am amazed how much work actually goes into a show, no matter how minor it is and it is a credit to whoever gets there. It took my son and his producer nearly 3 years to get from conception to airtime. It happens to be great therapy for him too.

Hopefully it will get him operating in the real world full time?

Through this show, he has networked himself in with the guys that created the "Matrix" and "Pulp Fiction" movies and many others. Not the stars, but the men of action behind the scenes.

It seems that it's not the disability, but what you do with it that is the thing.

I am proud of him for his achievements.

Deafilmedia · 07-02-2007, 04:44 PM

I went to the film school and it is so hard to do film...
with hearing actors... I didn't know if they didn't know their words.

I don't know if your son has a hearing problem, Nomad.

But it is hard...

production? you mean like producing someone film... of course that is easy..

But making a film as a film director is hard.

Nobody wants to pay their hard working money on Deaf Film...

We will never make million of dollars... off of deaf film.

Poor little me I am deaf, please pay $10 to watch my deaf film...

Nope,,, that won't happen.

We need to face reality and get other jobs that is simple and not
complicated...

DeafSCUBA98 · 07-02-2007, 08:56 PM

umm... I had a good friend where i go to school with

she is still in school in california.. becomeing a filming director.. so far she has done an awesome job.. yeah shes deaf.

so i feel she will success with those hollywood someday in near future

she had already made couple of few short movies.. some with deaf actor some without deaf actor. and i think she will success.. only because she's still learning hard and gaining more experiences.

Deafilmedia · 07-02-2007, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeafSCUBA98

umm... I had a good friend where i go to school with

she is still in school in california.. becomeing a filming director.. so far she has done an awesome job.. yeah shes deaf.

so i feel she will success with those hollywood someday in near future

she had already made couple of few short movies.. some with deaf actor some without deaf actor. and i think she will success.. only because she's still learning hard and gaining more experiences.

I read about her...

besemiasno · 07-02-2007, 10:54 PM

Well, the video is gone. And, are you sure it is "Why Deaf Films Fail" and not "Why Deaf Film Festivals Fail"?

Deafilmedia · 07-02-2007, 11:04 PM

Gary removed his videos because Deaf Filmmakers got angry with him
and refused to talk to Gary and refused to let him work with their film
projects...

Yes both Why Deaf Film Festival failed and Why deaf film failed...
were removed.

Why Deaf Film Festival failed, was about Deaf Filmmakers were complaining that the VIP and the people from Hollywood and Distributors never came
to Deaf Film Festivals...

I feel that going to the Deaf Film Festival is too expensive....
The plane ticket, Hotel fees, foods, and transportation, I only went
once and dislike it. And plus the Deaf films were not good. I spent
over $1,000....
I wish I use that money to go to DisneyWorld... that would be more fun.

DeafSCUBA98 · 07-03-2007, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deafilmedia

I read about her...

then... meet her.. if you are thinking its impossible for a deaf person to do this.. then she'll slap ur face and say "you're WRONG" u see she success even with hearing actors.

Deafilmedia · 07-03-2007, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DeafSCUBA98

then... meet her.. if you are thinking its impossible for a deaf person to do this.. then she'll slap ur face and say "you're WRONG" u see she success even with hearing actors.

USA is a "me" country. She'll treat me bad, anyway, and tell me
I can't help her with her film.

DeafSCUBA98 · 07-03-2007, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deafilmedia

USA is a "me" country. She'll treat me bad, anyway, and tell me
I can't help her with her film.

what makes you think its a "me" country? i'm sure there's supportive, help, ideas sharing.. doesn't it hurt to try to email her if you find her website.

Deafilmedia · 07-03-2007, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeafSCUBA98

what makes you think its a "me" country? i'm sure there's supportive, help, ideas sharing.. doesn't it hurt to try to email her if you find her website.

I know this is a dumb question, but who is "her"?

besemiasno · 07-03-2007, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deafilmedia

Gary removed his videos because Deaf Filmmakers got angry with him
and refused to talk to Gary and refused to let him work with their film
projects...

Yes both Why Deaf Film Festival failed and Why deaf film failed...
were removed.

Why Deaf Film Festival failed, was about Deaf Filmmakers were complaining that the VIP and the people from Hollywood and Distributors never came
to Deaf Film Festivals...

I feel that going to the Deaf Film Festival is too expensive....
The plane ticket, Hotel fees, foods, and transportation, I only went
once and dislike it. And plus the Deaf films were not good. I spent
over $1,000....
I wish I use that money to go to DisneyWorld... that would be more fun.

I don't think it is fair to single out Deaf film festival failures. I think it applies to many Deaf-run organizations. Before you jump on my hands, know this: I speak as a workshop coordinator for 2 different Deaf organizations and have seen where both failed.

Deaf people in general do not know how to commit and follow through! Why do you think Voc. Rehab. counselors have been not so eager to help Deaf clients?? Because so many of them don't even follow through on commitment and expect the world served to them on a silver platter without working hard for it.

Another reason, too many people run organizations for the name-recognition and popularity contests. I admire those who actually put in tears, sweat, blood, arm and leg into their organization. But those who just sit back and do nothing, filing their fingernails and claiming they did the work, they're a hindrance and a cancer in the organization!

Once you get committed members who are genuinely interested in the organizations' welfare and well-being, then it is a guarantee the organization would be successful. Successful organizations equal successful, planned events!

So, many festivals or workshops fail because their organizations weren't on the ball into making it work!

Tousi · 07-03-2007, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deafilmedia

I know this is a dumb question, but who is "her"?

Your'e not paying attention, the "her" is Deafscuba's friend that you said you heard about.

Deafilmedia · 07-03-2007, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

Your'e not paying attention, the "her" is Deafscuba's friend that you said you heard about.

How old is Deafscuba, I think I have seen his photo... if she went
to school with him... then how comes she is still in school, isn't she too old.

I was just going along with Deafscuba, cause I thought he would mention her name or something.

Deafilmedia · 07-03-2007, 03:16 AM

I don't think it is fair to single out Deaf film festival failures. I think it applies to many Deaf-run organizations. Before you jump on my hands, know this: I speak as a workshop coordinator for 2 different Deaf organizations and have seen where both failed.

It isn't us Deaf people' fault.... we just don't have any money to support these organization. What is the point of having a Deaf Expo, when most Relay services are there.... they are only giving away free service to Deaf people anyway. Sprint, AT&T, IP-Relay, FREE. And plus we can get in Deaf Expo for free. I even got free Sidekick after rebates.
Would you build Victoria's Secret store in a poor neighborhood?
No... you gotta go where the MONEY is, you build Victoria's Secret store at the rich folks' area.

Deaf people in general do not know how to commit and follow through! Why do you think Voc. Rehab. counselors have been not so eager to help Deaf clients?? Because so many of them don't even follow through on commitment and expect the world served to them on a silver platter without working hard for it.

I know.... I tried to get a Voc. Rehab counselor to help me in Mississippi,
and they turned me away... so I complain, and then they gave me
an unexperienced person who is just an interpreter to help me.

Another reason, too many people run organizations for the name-recognition and popularity contests. I admire those who actually put in tears, sweat, blood, arm and leg into their organization. But those who just sit back and do nothing, filing their fingernails and claiming they did the work, they're a hindrance and a cancer in the organization!

Once you get committed members who are genuinely interested in the organizations' welfare and well-being, then it is a guarantee the organization would be successful. Successful organizations equal successful, planned events!

Well most of the organizations are USELESS... especially VRS...
who wanna look at an interpreter, just to order a pizza? and if we deaf people want to chat on webcam, we can just get a webcam and use sign language. Why we need VRS? That is dumb.
And plus if you want to call your doctor and your doctor said you got "herpes" and interpreter on VRS will look at you funny.

So, many festivals or workshops fail because their organizations weren't on the ball into making it work!

Same thing in the Hearing world... Most small businesses are unsuccessful.
This is a dog eat dog world, that is just way life is. Memphis tried to save their fairground.... but went bankrupt and lost. Many Black people
don't want to all Black colleges.... because regular colleges are welcomeing many Black people in. Our Black college in Memphis is going bankrupt.

Nomad · 07-03-2007, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deafilmedia

I went to the film school and it is so hard to do film...
with hearing actors... I didn't know if they didn't know their words.

I don't know if your son has a hearing problem, Nomad.

But it is hard...

production? you mean like producing someone film... of course that is easy..

But making a film as a film director is hard.

Nobody wants to pay their hard working money on Deaf Film...

We will never make million of dollars... off of deaf film.

Poor little me I am deaf, please pay $10 to watch my deaf film...

Nope,,, that won't happen.

We need to face reality and get other jobs that is simple and not
complicated...

No my son has normal hearing, but his disability can make communication awkward at times as he tends to distort what he hears. He also is a monotonic talker and uses some inappropriate words at times which can make it difficult sometimes to understand what the hell he is talking about! However, he manages for the most part.

He does some camera and sound work, animation, editing, screenwriting and organising the show to be ready for airing each week. Not on his own, but many guys (including the professionals) won't complete their tasks and it falls back on to him.

He has also won some awards in local film festivals for movies he and a friend make entirely by themselves. Not bad for a kid who failed school and has had no formal training in this area. Maybe his disability was a plus? His determination and energy is never in doubt though.

I must admit that I have at times tried to push him into everyday jobs, etc, but he is totally committed to getting into this industry. Money is yet to be made, but he is steadily building up a network and reputation which is his main focus at this time. I have since learned to back off and let him follow his dreams. It's good therapy for him and I guess he's in good company with a lot of the creative types who are borderline with sanity......I pray for his success instead now and try to acknowledge his achievements instead.

We think the show is crap, but that's our opinion and it does have a following. It took about two and a half years from the first meeting with the producer (who is also the show's focus) to get on air.

I guess anything that isn't easy but worthwhile takes guts, determination, energy and total committment. Otherwise it's like eating dinner - a necessary function, but not really an achievement.

DeafSCUBA98 · 07-03-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Deafilmedia

I know this is a dumb question, but who is "her"?

if you want to know who is her...

then why did you say this ......

Quote:

I read about her...

if you are saying that you did read about her.. then i assume that you know who i'm talking about..

by the way i'm not that old. i'm in my late 20's.

otherwise.. its best if you PM me and i can possibally give you the name or website.

SxyPorkie · 07-03-2007, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeafSCUBA98

if you want to know who is her...

then why did you say this ......

if you are saying that you did read about her.. then i assume that you know who i'm talking about..

by the way i'm not that old.

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05-23-2007, 08:54 AM	#6 (permalink)
Capmeister Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 300	Well, he's very passionate, for sure. I understand what he's saying, but I assume part of the problem is that most deaf films would--if totally with deaf actors and such--perhaps be a niche film. So you're talking about basically, what is to most hearing people, a "foreign langauge" film in that those that aren't signers would need to read captions, like silentwolfdog said. Certainly it's possible to do that, but will you get a budget from investors that will allow professional writing, actors, camera work, props, directors, etc? It's possible to do it all low budget, and I guess what he's saying is that it just needs to really be worked on. I hope he succeeds in his own efforts. His passion will help.

06-12-2007, 11:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
Deafilmedia Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,579	well I am working harder... I get tutor from film expert at my film school...

06-17-2007, 05:20 AM	#10 (permalink)
Nomad Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 155	My son is heavily involved in the production of a weekly TV show here. He has a type of schizophrenic illness and is on a disability pension. This show is shown on a minority channel and seems to do fairly well as it is in the prime timeslot for the night. I am amazed how much work actually goes into a show, no matter how minor it is and it is a credit to whoever gets there. It took my son and his producer nearly 3 years to get from conception to airtime. It happens to be great therapy for him too. Hopefully it will get him operating in the real world full time? Through this show, he has networked himself in with the guys that created the "Matrix" and "Pulp Fiction" movies and many others. Not the stars, but the men of action behind the scenes. It seems that it's not the disability, but what you do with it that is the thing. I am proud of him for his achievements.

07-02-2007, 04:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
Deafilmedia Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,579	I went to the film school and it is so hard to do film... with hearing actors... I didn't know if they didn't know their words. I don't know if your son has a hearing problem, Nomad. But it is hard... production? you mean like producing someone film... of course that is easy.. But making a film as a film director is hard. Nobody wants to pay their hard working money on Deaf Film... We will never make million of dollars... off of deaf film. Poor little me I am deaf, please pay $10 to watch my deaf film... Nope,,, that won't happen. We need to face reality and get other jobs that is simple and not complicated...

07-02-2007, 10:54 PM	#14 (permalink)
besemiasno Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 140	Well, the video is gone. And, are you sure it is "Why Deaf Films Fail" and not "Why Deaf Film Festivals Fail"?

07-02-2007, 11:04 PM	#15 (permalink)
Deafilmedia Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,579	Gary removed his videos because Deaf Filmmakers got angry with him and refused to talk to Gary and refused to let him work with their film projects... Yes both Why Deaf Film Festival failed and Why deaf film failed... were removed. Why Deaf Film Festival failed, was about Deaf Filmmakers were complaining that the VIP and the people from Hollywood and Distributors never came to Deaf Film Festivals... I feel that going to the Deaf Film Festival is too expensive.... The plane ticket, Hotel fees, foods, and transportation, I only went once and dislike it. And plus the Deaf films were not good. I spent over $1,000.... I wish I use that money to go to DisneyWorld... that would be more fun.

07-03-2007, 03:16 AM	#23 (permalink)
Deafilmedia Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,579	I don't think it is fair to single out Deaf film festival failures. I think it applies to many Deaf-run organizations. Before you jump on my hands, know this: I speak as a workshop coordinator for 2 different Deaf organizations and have seen where both failed. It isn't us Deaf people' fault.... we just don't have any money to support these organization. What is the point of having a Deaf Expo, when most Relay services are there.... they are only giving away free service to Deaf people anyway. Sprint, AT&T, IP-Relay, FREE. And plus we can get in Deaf Expo for free. I even got free Sidekick after rebates. Would you build Victoria's Secret store in a poor neighborhood? No... you gotta go where the MONEY is, you build Victoria's Secret store at the rich folks' area. Deaf people in general do not know how to commit and follow through! Why do you think Voc. Rehab. counselors have been not so eager to help Deaf clients?? Because so many of them don't even follow through on commitment and expect the world served to them on a silver platter without working hard for it. I know.... I tried to get a Voc. Rehab counselor to help me in Mississippi, and they turned me away... so I complain, and then they gave me an unexperienced person who is just an interpreter to help me. Another reason, too many people run organizations for the name-recognition and popularity contests. I admire those who actually put in tears, sweat, blood, arm and leg into their organization. But those who just sit back and do nothing, filing their fingernails and claiming they did the work, they're a hindrance and a cancer in the organization! Once you get committed members who are genuinely interested in the organizations' welfare and well-being, then it is a guarantee the organization would be successful. Successful organizations equal successful, planned events! Well most of the organizations are USELESS... especially VRS... who wanna look at an interpreter, just to order a pizza? and if we deaf people want to chat on webcam, we can just get a webcam and use sign language. Why we need VRS? That is dumb. And plus if you want to call your doctor and your doctor said you got "herpes" and interpreter on VRS will look at you funny. So, many festivals or workshops fail because their organizations weren't on the ball into making it work! Same thing in the Hearing world... Most small businesses are unsuccessful. This is a dog eat dog world, that is just way life is. Memphis tried to save their fairground.... but went bankrupt and lost. Many Black people don't want to all Black colleges.... because regular colleges are welcomeing many Black people in. Our Black college in Memphis is going bankrupt.