Djrezurektion

Im sure you guys have heard this plenty of times, and im not trying to flame or anything, so please dont be mad with me pls but i was just wondering why a handful of deaf people don t really use the best of english, I mean, I can understand it, but to a certain extent... I have seen the most messed up sentences, but somehow the other hearing person can make sense out of it..once again, pls dont hate me ;; I had one more thing to say, but i forgot, haha...i will post it when i can think of it.!

THK U IP RO XXXXM GOODBYE SMILE SKSK

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JeepGirl

Its because we don't hear the sound of the words or letters. its like hearing people uses a complete sentence like "I am going to the mall" Deaf people says "me go mall" When using American Sign Language, most of us don't use complete sentences in sign language. We skip alot of the words that's not necessary to use. There are alot of intelligent, amazing people here in Alldeaf. Also there are crazy funny peeps here too! I think you'll enjoy being here if you're motivated to be involved in the deaf culture.

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Djrezurektion

Ah I get it now. thanks a lot for that info Yeah, I really am interested in deaf culture, but I am going to have to post more questions and stuff tmw because I have to go to sleep now, cuz i have school tomorrow at like, 9 AM and stuff see you all later! Goodniggght

quiet gal

Deaf language have their own anitque language, slangs, etc. just like Africian American people have their own slangs, langauge so forth. Nothing different.

let me say this, do you ask Afician American that question? If not, why are we different? We are no different than anyone else in this world.

The best thing if you are interesting in Deaf Culture, then you may need to get involve Deaf communities or classes under Deaf culture to understand more.

Djrezurektion

no no i didnt mean it like that...It was just something i was wondering, i wasnt trying to say you were different or anything. please dont be mad >< I know you aren't different from anyone else.

Unegawahya

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nevermind............. Good nite.

quiet gal

No, IM not mad.

Hugs

Djrezurektion

?? why the sigh?

Unegawahya

I guess I don't have anything to say because I'm gettin' sleepy.

Here I can put in.....

Those words can't describe what we all write. No two are alike in a pod. We all don't have perfect English grammars, but some do still some don't. Like one best-selling book showed a lousy English grammar, do we buy it? Of course. Some stories are interesting. For each deaf person's English grammar, I can understand or cannot understand. It depends. My (hearing) mom was a pretty good reader on a deaf person's English grammar, she understood him/her better than me.

That's all I can say. G'nite.

LMM

LMM wasn't going to have me relpy, But too many people relpy to you! So here she goes, You may be mad!
But you have use abv. that one use on ISP RO SCV and/or TTD's.
LMM hope you next questions isn't about TTD's or ISP RO. She feels you went to web site that explainshow to use ISP RO svc, But when you use ISP RO the RO ask you questions that a hearing person may not answer! LMM have see and/read alot people who have use this service because they can make free calls! Hearing people who do this is going to ruin it for people who DO need this sevice. BTW it's [svc] when you use TTD!


LMM

Djrezurektion

Honestly, I am a relay opr.. Yes I do hate those that prank their friends through the relay svc... it s not worth it to those who are actually deaf or hard of hearing. i'll admit that i do use it, but for NOTHING BAD, i have a side kick 2 and i use relay to call my mom to tell her im on my way home and stuff like that..nothing to prank, because it's a dumb thing to do..

LMM

You are not Deaf ! You have no right using ISP RO to make calls! No Matter what!
If you are a RO do you mind if LMM ASK you questions! Oh boy she will have fun asking you question about how to use RO. Nope they questions she will ask you won't find the answer on the internet net! Remember LMM use RO the same as you pick up a phone!
But then again you polly lie as you did on another site! LMM check you out already! You may fool some people here, But you don't slide w/LMM

LMM

Djrezurektion

ha ha ...okay..LMM, ask me a question about relay, Anything at all!

LMM

Whats ur RO nmbQQ yep have right ur NMB even thro we zero chat throu RS.
Which RS work u QQ
Thks
LMM

deafdyke

That's b/c dhh folks approach English as a Second language. Research has shown that dhh students make the same sort of errors that native speakers of other languages do. It's like the way that I can stumble along en francais, but my grammer and syntax will never be as good as a native French speaker.
Besides dhh folks don't have a lock on horrible grammar and syntax. Even native speakers of English may have trouble with it. Besides, haven't you seen the examples of mangled English out there? (ie the flattening of clothes with pleasure are the duties of the chambermaid, I would like sower cream and jellyfish, I want a ladies worsted nylon swimming pants and so on)

racheleggert

Good question... With my experince, some members already know, but I'll be more than happy to answer....

I grew up in public schools, and revolve around the hearing community than the deaf community, altough I'm deafblind. I also have been reading newspapers, anything above 6th grade, but I can read at 8th grade level, I think.

Some of my friends who stay at the deaf school or left mainstream schools at early age to go to the deaf school, their english skill go down because the deaf schools mostlly have lousy education.

English is my second language yes but I do it well. I'm sure there are some deaf/deafblind members here just like me.

Hope this answer your question.

Djrezurektion

LMM, I cannot give my op code out due to CRM issues. But the relay center I work at is the one in Riverbank, CA. Verizon.

Djrezurektion

Yes, your english is very good um, one question if I may. What is 'deafblind'?? i mean, you're obviously not blind, because u can read what the computer screen says...thx again (sorry for all the curiousity guys..haha)

Levonian

Enlighten thyself.

Rose Immortal

Another company that makes software that puts screen output into Braille is Freedom Scientific, if you're interested in looking at how this is done.

http://www.freedomscientific.com/

Levonian

While we’re on the subject, a cheap way to do it is just use software that reads the screen for you. You just move the mouse cursor over the text, and it reads out loud in a Stephen-Hawkingish voice. Costs about $30, I think.

ismi

The other blindness possibility is legal blindness - vision is impaired, but *really* pumping the font up can make the computer useable. Usher's starts out like that, does it not? Gradual degeneration of vision?

Rose Immortal

That's one way to do it...some of the lower-cost ones can run into problems with certain webpage designs, PDF's, and so on. But there are tons of options for this stuff.

I know, I look like a nerd, but I have a blind friend who explained to me how a lot of this stuff works.

Levonian

That’s OK—I am a nerd. So is my wife. I bag on her unmercifully about it, telling her that she’s the type of girl who was the treasurer of the Star Trek Club in junior high. I gave her an R2D2 Pez dispenser for our anniversary, and she cherishes it. Anyway, she works for a spastic quadriplegic girl with cortical blindness. I’ve seen and used some of her computer software. Pretty slick stuff, and of course, it’s improving all the time.

Rose Immortal

Truth is I'm a nerd too...huge Star Trek fan, though after Deep Space Nine I thought the writing really went downhill. I prefer Battlestar Galactica now.

Aaaanyway, back on topic...yeah, it's really amazing how capable the software has become now. I'm trying to figure out how they got it to read PDF files I can't even figure out how to copy and paste from!!!

deafdyke

Rachel, I think it would depend. Some of the deaf kids may not have got good teachers or the correct early intervention, or spent their early childhood in a speech therapist's office going "boo be bah"

Audiofuzzy

I fogrot the name of the lady who was in the show "Second Chance" but it was this amazing deaf Malaysian girl who came to Canada to Toronto and learned ASL and became a teacher, She is still in Toronto, CA as far as I know..

She said the ability to hear in the first years when language developes is what causes the difference between English grammar and ASL English grammar.
IMO, ASL is separate language from English in a way that while it uses English words it has it's own grammar. So it's not like English translated into signs. it's more like two separate langauges with the same words.


Fuzzy

LisaMarie

Because ASL is our primary language. We were taught that way when we were little kids. Nobody would correct us back in school because they value this language OR think its the only way we would understand. But to this day, the teacher recgonize this as a serious matter to fix this up. So they change from ASL language to engish to improve our grammar. But we still speak in ASL language and we write in english on paper. Hope that answer your question.

LisaMarie

I'd like to add something also. Just same with hearing people.. they speak english and they write out on the paper in exact english because they were taught how to do that. They sometime spell it wrong because they follow the sound of word.. Same concept with deaf people write different "language" on the paper. Look at some spanish people (no offense) They speak some bad english because they werent taught how to speak or write in perfect english. They know what you are talking about anyway. They could be really smart in ther own language because they were taught how to speak and write in spanish language. Do you understand what im trying to explain? I hope i do say it in clear way. Heh