The Making of a Word: Audism ...And More - Page 8

Sweetmind · 06-30-2006, 09:23 PM

Thank you Jillo, You said it all.. Thats why I feel insulted by audist attitude people who tried to prevent us being ourselves as usual. They couldnt handle with Deaf people like me. They dont want to hear the truth as always. Thats the problem they are trying to hide many things that many people never knew what happens to d/Deaf children's abuses by audist attitude people and parents at home or school. Truth hurts to be heard now.

Sweetmind

neecy · 06-30-2006, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

The problem with the term "hearing impaired" is that it focuses on the loss and does not include the many capabilities that the Deaf have. It identifies the person by a deficit, as being less than. It is a term that describes the medical view of deafness, not the cultural view. It limits the identity of the person to hearing loss.

No. Blind do not object to being called "blind". Neither do Deaf object to being call "deaf". But blind do object to being called visually impaired, and Deaf object to being called "hearing impaired". Why do we as hearing people have some need to pretty up the language? Deaf is not an insulting term to the Deaf--but hearies think it is so they say "hearing impaired". That is because they are ignorant about what it means to be Deaf. Hearing Impaired minimizes the life experience of deafness. Makes it less important.

As for the word "audism": As a hearie, I am not offended by the use of the word by the culturally Deaf toward the hearing population. I have only been aware that is is used in the cases that the hearing population thinks that they are responsible for dictating the language, the culture, and the education of the deaf. It is used to discribe the patronizing hearie that refuses to take the perspective of the deaf person into consideration. It is used for the narrowminded, and for those that are not willing to learn and give value to an opinion that did not come from the hearing world. Frankly, it is a word that even I have used to describe the type of hearing person that I have no patience with and no tolerance for. Perhaps the book definition includes the use of Deaf to hearing, hearing to Deaf, and Deaf to deaf, but the book definition is not always what happens in practice.

I have never known a Deaf person to describle another deaf person as "audist". The term I have seen used most often when describing a deaf person who is more culturally hearing is "hearing think". (Translated from the ASL). And, not by the way, a compliment!

To me, Deaf does not just describe a hearing loss. It tells me much more. It tells me how that person perceives things, how they see the world. It tells me that their world is visual, and that their language paints pictures. It tells me not just what that person doesn't have (hearing), but also what they do have. It not only tells me what that person is, but a lot about who that person is. Deaf is a term of respect for all that person is.

Just my opinion!

A very interesting and insightful opinion it is too! I've never had a problem with being called deaf, but on many occasions have had hearing people tell me that THEY thought that "deaf" was a degoratory term and thought that "hearing impaired" was "nicer." I don't know what made them start thinking that "deaf" was bad, but I've always been quick to let people who I see use the 'impaired' term that most deafies prefer 'deaf.'

The problem with audism nowadays, is that it, as a word, has moved PAST the original meaning and become a slur, or putdown used by some people to label ANYBODY they don't agree with, regardless what the situation being discussed is, or whether the individual in question is hearing or deaf. This kind of use of the word leads many to start equating 'audist' with 'somebody who doesn't keep up with the DEAF status quo.'

Rose Immortal · 06-30-2006, 11:32 PM

I don't know if the guy in question is an anomaly or no, but I have a friend who is blind, and who works at a company that makes assistive technology, and he describes it to me as being "for people with visual impairments" and he may have said "visually impaired" in another circumstance. In his book there doesn't seem to be a stigma to the "impairment" term; I think he uses it simply as a catch-all for things ranging all the way from low vision to total blindness. So I am not sure...is this typical of the blind community or no? Is there a different prevailing attitude about their circumstances than there is in the deaf community?

Tousi · 06-30-2006, 11:46 PM

Contrary to what a couple others have said here and there on these boards, SOME deaf DO call other deaf & HoH folks audists......cracks me up...

ismi · 06-30-2006, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rose Immortal

I don't know if the guy in question is an anomaly or no, but I have a friend who is blind, and who works at a company that makes assistive technology, and he describes it to me as being "for people with visual impairments" and he may have said "visually impaired" in another circumstance. In his book there doesn't seem to be a stigma to the "impairment" term; I think he uses it simply as a catch-all for things ranging all the way from low vision to total blindness. So I am not sure...is this typical of the blind community or no? Is there a different prevailing attitude about their circumstances than there is in the deaf community?

I know VI is a pretty common term in the UK. And I believe JAWS and similar companies use VI in their marketing materials - after all, they're marketing to people who are blind, legally blind, low vision, etc., etc.

sr171soars · 07-01-2006, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

The problem with the term "hearing impaired" is that it focuses on the loss and does not include the many capabilities that the Deaf have. It identifies the person by a deficit, as being less than. It is a term that describes the medical view of deafness, not the cultural view. It limits the identity of the person to hearing loss.

No. Blind do not object to being called "blind". Neither do Deaf object to being call "deaf". But blind do object to being called visually impaired, and Deaf object to being called "hearing impaired". Why do we as hearing people have some need to pretty up the language? Deaf is not an insulting term to the Deaf--but hearies think it is so they say "hearing impaired". That is because they are ignorant about what it means to be Deaf. Hearing Impaired minimizes the life experience of deafness. Makes it less important.

As for the word "audism": As a hearie, I am not offended by the use of the word by the culturally Deaf toward the hearing population. I have only been aware that is is used in the cases that the hearing population thinks that they are responsible for dictating the language, the culture, and the education of the deaf. It is used to discribe the patronizing hearie that refuses to take the perspective of the deaf person into consideration. It is used for the narrowminded, and for those that are not willing to learn and give value to an opinion that did not come from the hearing world. Frankly, it is a word that even I have used to describe the type of hearing person that I have no patience with and no tolerance for. Perhaps the book definition includes the use of Deaf to hearing, hearing to Deaf, and Deaf to deaf, but the book definition is not always what happens in practice.

I have never known a Deaf person to describle another deaf person as "audist". The term I have seen used most often when describing a deaf person who is more culturally hearing is "hearing think". (Translated from the ASL). And, not by the way, a compliment!

To me, Deaf does not just describe a hearing loss. It tells me much more. It tells me how that person perceives things, how they see the world. It tells me that their world is visual, and that their language paints pictures. It tells me not just what that person doesn't have (hearing), but also what they do have. It not only tells me what that person is, but a lot about who that person is. Deaf is a term of respect for all that person is.

Just my opinion!

I don't have a problem with what you said. I will still say that a Rose is a Rose by any other name... It is all a wash to me one term is good as another. When people get all worked up over semantics then somebody gotten lost along the way. It begats the fact that somebody really has issues within themselves and aren't able to handle what life throws ones way. Think about it, a term isn't going to label one to the point that they can't be who and what they really are. It is more how one interacts with the world at large and believe me that is much more critical than semantics. It is how one portrays themselves and the willingness or drive to achieve what one thinks is important. Believe it or not, people can and do respect that. I have done it time and time again within what constraints I had to deal with. I have never care one iota what people thought about me and I will never let that hold me down. I feel that too often people let others define them and when that happens...it is never good. Life is never fair and one just got to take what it gives you.

As for audism, it is one of the most asinine words I have ever heard and it's utility is to put others down and away from one's own issues. It is so ambigious that it has become worthless to use. One person loves to use it as a weapon and it makes that one look like a fool. And yes, that person shoots whoever deaf or hearing or whatever if not in agreement hook, line, and sinker.

This whole bit trying to find the "best" word describing being deaf is an illusion. Heck, the absolute majority of hearing have no idea about deafness and all that it entails. So, you decide that deaf is the better term...then what? A hearing person is introduced to you and they find out you're deaf. Well, I'm quite sure their understanding of the term is certainly not the term as you think of it. It leads me to question who really needs the term defined in a certain way? The hearing or the deaf? In any dictionary, the term deaf simply means somebody who has some kind of hearing impairment (the primary definition which is probably what most hearing would know). Now, we are back in full circle...

QED - Thus it is still true that "A Rose is a Rose by any other name".

Passivist · 07-03-2006, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sr171soars

I don't have a problem with what you said. I will still say that a Rose is a Rose by any other name... It is all a wash to me one term is good as another. When people get all worked up over semantics then somebody gotten lost along the way. It begats the fact that somebody really has issues within themselves and aren't able to handle what life throws ones way. Think about it, a term isn't going to label one to the point that they can't be who and what they really are. It is more how one interacts with the world at large and believe me that is much more critical than semantics. It is how one portrays themselves and the willingness or drive to achieve what one thinks is important. Believe it or not, people can and do respect that. I have done it time and time again within what constraints I had to deal with. I have never care one iota what people thought about me and I will never let that hold me down. I feel that too often people let others define them and when that happens...it is never good. Life is never fair and one just got to take what it gives you.

As for audism, it is one of the most asinine words I have ever heard and it's utility is to put others down and away from one's own issues. It is so ambigious that it has become worthless to use. One person loves to use it as a weapon and it makes that one look like a fool. And yes, that person shoots whoever deaf or hearing or whatever if not in agreement hook, line, and sinker.

This whole bit trying to find the "best" word describing being deaf is an illusion. Heck, the absolute majority of hearing have no idea about deafness and all that it entails. So, you decide that deaf is the better term...then what? A hearing person is introduced to you and they find out you're deaf. Well, I'm quite sure their understanding of the term is certainly not the term as you think of it. It leads me to question who really needs the term defined in a certain way? The hearing or the deaf? In any dictionary, the term deaf simply means somebody who has some kind of hearing impairment (the primary definition which is probably what most hearing would know). Now, we are back in full circle...

QED - Thus it is still true that "A Rose is a Rose by any other name".

Strange it seems only the Americans actually use the term audism, perhaps your mainstream gets thrown by different terms, or the deaf in America just enjoy making up new names for things. Old fashioned we are in the UK I suppose, if someone puts us down we call it a discrimation, if someone puts an American deaf person down, it takes a dictionary to find out who was discriminated against

You'd laugh but us brits prefer an easier punch line to follow !

jillio · 07-03-2006, 03:44 PM

Unfortunately, sr171soars, a term CAN and does label people to the point that it interferes with their capabilties to perform. It is the tendency of humans to see the label first, and the person second. It happens in all areas, not just with the Deaf. Label someone a schizophrenic, and do you see the person first, or the mental illness first?

jillio · 07-03-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzy

What is sign for aduist?

Just a guess: "Hearing think"??

Passivist · 07-04-2006, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jillio

Just a guess: "Hearing think"??

Or, 'Deaf people think....." or "Hard of Hearing think....", or ........"Oralists think....", or..... this silly term is aimed at everyone that's the trouble, and why the UK never took it up.

**Interpretrator** · 07-04-2006, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Just a guess: "Hearing think"??

Is that really as strong as "audist"? I've seen it to mean more like "he doesn't know about Deaf culture" and I've used it jokingly about myself on occasion when I make some kind of cultural error. But if that's really how it's signed, I'll stop using that sign unless I mean "audist."

LuciaDisturbed · 07-04-2006, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Interpretrator

Is that really as strong as "audist"? I've seen it to mean more like "he doesn't know about Deaf culture" and I've used it jokingly about myself on occasion when I make some kind of cultural error. But if that's really how it's signed, I'll stop using that sign unless I mean "audist."

That sign is terrible.

sr171soars · 07-04-2006, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Unfortunately, sr171soars, a term CAN and does label people to the point that it interferes with their capabilties to perform. It is the tendency of humans to see the label first, and the person second. It happens in all areas, not just with the Deaf. Label someone a schizophrenic, and do you see the person first, or the mental illness first?

Obviously, that happens all too often...far too often and real life validates that observation (heck, I seen it in my life many times). My point is that life ain't fair and whatever shingding you are labeled, you are still capable of proving others wrong. The real key isn't proving to the entire world otherwise but just the ones that are important in your own world... Let's say there is nothing different about you, you still have to earn respect from others.

ayala920 · 07-04-2006, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Interpretrator

Is that really as strong as "audist"? I've seen it to mean more like "he doesn't know about Deaf culture" and I've used it jokingly about myself on occasion when I make some kind of cultural error. But if that's really how it's signed, I'll stop using that sign unless I mean "audist."

That isn't how it's signed, at least not in my experience. At Gallaudet, everyone I've met fingerspells "audist."

07-05-2006, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ayala920

That isn't how it's signed, at least not in my experience. At Gallaudet, everyone I've met fingerspells "audist."

I wonder how many fingers it takes to spell it. I would use only one. Can ya guess which one?

07-05-2006, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

I wonder how many fingers it takes to spell it. I would use only one. Can ya guess which one?

Cloggy · 07-05-2006, 09:41 AM

Actually, I'm thinking in this line of reply.......

Opal · 07-10-2006, 03:09 AM

http://www.audism.tv/pages/videos

Hopes this link help you abit?

(Sorry I can't follow what these men talking about only recognised few words eg lipread, research in sign language)

Cloggy · 07-11-2006, 06:20 AM

Wish I could understand what they are saying..
Looks very informative.. And, using the sign for "opressed"seems like a good sign. Guess the mouth will say "audism".

07-11-2006, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Cloggy

Wish I could understand what they are saying..
Looks very informative.. And, using the sign for "opressed"seems like a good sign. Guess the mouth will say "audism".

Yeah it would be interesting to know what they are saying. My ASL is not so good that I can follow. Is there a text transcript?

07-11-2006, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cloggy

Wish I could understand what they are saying..
Looks very informative.. And, using the sign for "opressed"seems like a good sign. Guess the mouth will say "audism".

Wish I could understand what the radio is saying...

Go watch Robin Willilams...

Y · 07-11-2006, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mookie

ROFL !!! ahhaahaha LOL

Y · 07-11-2006, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mookie

Wish I could understand what the radio is saying...

Go watch Robin Willilams...

Very Good point here !

Y · 07-11-2006, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mookie

some info about THE "DEAF MUSIC" MAN

Yeah, I recalled Shawn. It was a shocking news
about his death. Shawn even asked me to
be one of his assistants during his band tour,
but I never had this opportunity to act only
because he already died too early. He already
proved to the World that he toured all over
the United States to share his deaf music.

07-11-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mookie

Wish I could understand what the radio is saying...

Go watch Robin Willilams...

Point taken.

Y · 07-11-2006, 08:09 PM

oh brother it looks like their website removed
Shawn Dale Barnett's photos Sigh....

I'm gonna save some of them on my desktop
just in case if they're gone again Grrr

Here is one of my favorite ones:

Y · 07-11-2006, 08:13 PM

Another photo of Shawn:

08-05-2006, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Y

Another photo of Shawn:

Yes and to the Audist's out there that think deafies can't accomplish or achieve... Read these facts about Shawn.
"FIRST AND ONLY NATURALLY BORN 100 PERCENT DEAF MAN WITH A TOP TEN HIT ON MTV IN 1987."
"FIRST 100 PERCENT DEAF MAN TO OWN A RECORD COMPANY."
"FIRST DEAF MUSICIAN TO JOIN DEO (DEAF ENTERTAINMENT ORGANIZATION)."
"FIRST DEAF MAN TO TEACH DEAF KIDS MUSIC AS AN "ARTIST IN RESIDENCE" AT THE KANSAS SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF,1998."
KANSAS SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF'S MOST FAMOUS FORMER STUDENT, CLASS OF 1981. (WALKIN' THE WALK FOR 20 YEARS AS A PROFESSIONAL, 33 YEARS OF TRAINING SINCE 1968 )
PLAYED FOR OVER 200,000 PEOPLE IN 1999 AND 2000!!!

SxyPorkie · 08-05-2006, 11:55 AM

Ha ha ha you all are ****ing lucky...Sweetmind is not here.. she hates the word of audism... Oh well... Sweetmind told me she quit coming in here to post..
SxyPorkie

08-05-2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SxyPorkie

Ha ha ha you all are ****ing lucky...Sweetmind is not here.. she hates the word of audism... Oh well... Sweetmind told me she quit coming in here to post..
SxyPorkie

I know Porkie... she is one of the reasons I started the thread in the first place. Look at my first post in this thread.

06-30-2006, 09:23 PM	#211 (permalink)
Sweetmind Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 788	Thank you Jillo, You said it all.. Thats why I feel insulted by audist attitude people who tried to prevent us being ourselves as usual. They couldnt handle with Deaf people like me. They dont want to hear the truth as always. Thats the problem they are trying to hide many things that many people never knew what happens to d/Deaf children's abuses by audist attitude people and parents at home or school. Truth hurts to be heard now. Sweetmind __________________ "Tell the mothers I said, "Don't try to change your child; you are the adult, you bear the burden of change" - Harlan Lane

07-05-2006, 09:41 AM	#227 (permalink)
Cloggy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 4,706	Actually, I'm thinking in this line of reply....... __________________ . The limits of my language mean the limits of my world. . . . Ludwig Wittgenstein (1889 - 1951) Information about . . . . . . . . . Lotte Sofie . . . . . . . . . How the ear works . . . . . . . . . Parents info . . . . . . . . . Nonsense/ Myths about CI here or here. Last edited by Cloggy; 07-05-2006 at 10:04 AM.

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Opal Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,763 Blog Entries: 1	http://www.audism.tv/pages/videos Hopes this link help you abit? (Sorry I can't follow what these men talking about only recognised few words eg lipread, research in sign language) __________________ (\ (\ (=' x') (,('')('')

07-11-2006, 06:20 AM	#229 (permalink)
Cloggy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 4,706	Wish I could understand what they are saying.. Looks very informative.. And, using the sign for "opressed"seems like a good sign. Guess the mouth will say "audism". __________________ . The limits of my language mean the limits of my world. . . . Ludwig Wittgenstein (1889 - 1951) Information about . . . . . . . . . Lotte Sofie . . . . . . . . . How the ear works . . . . . . . . . Parents info . . . . . . . . . Nonsense/ Myths about CI here or here.

08-05-2006, 11:55 AM	#239 (permalink)
SxyPorkie Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 3,095	Ha ha ha you all are ****ing lucky...Sweetmind is not here.. she hates the word of audism... Oh well... Sweetmind told me she quit coming in here to post.. SxyPorkie __________________ Life Goes On!!

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06-30-2006, 11:32 PM	#213 (permalink)
Rose Immortal Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,254	I don't know if the guy in question is an anomaly or no, but I have a friend who is blind, and who works at a company that makes assistive technology, and he describes it to me as being "for people with visual impairments" and he may have said "visually impaired" in another circumstance. In his book there doesn't seem to be a stigma to the "impairment" term; I think he uses it simply as a catch-all for things ranging all the way from low vision to total blindness. So I am not sure...is this typical of the blind community or no? Is there a different prevailing attitude about their circumstances than there is in the deaf community?

06-30-2006, 11:46 PM	#214 (permalink)
Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,731	Contrary to what a couple others have said here and there on these boards, SOME deaf DO call other deaf & HoH folks audists......cracks me up...

07-03-2006, 03:44 PM	#218 (permalink)
jillio Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 60,296	Unfortunately, sr171soars, a term CAN and does label people to the point that it interferes with their capabilties to perform. It is the tendency of humans to see the label first, and the person second. It happens in all areas, not just with the Deaf. Label someone a schizophrenic, and do you see the person first, or the mental illness first?

07-11-2006, 08:09 PM	#236 (permalink)
Y Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 3,113	oh brother it looks like their website removed Shawn Dale Barnett's photos Sigh.... I'm gonna save some of them on my desktop just in case if they're gone again Grrr Here is one of my favorite ones:

07-11-2006, 08:13 PM	#237 (permalink)
Y Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 3,113	Another photo of Shawn:

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