The Making of a Word: Audism ...And More - Page 7

05-08-2006, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mookie

Rockdrummer,
You dont want to come to Better President Now rally at Gally? What's matter with you? Would Deaf elitists grabs and give you an offical title, "Salad Boy"? OH come on. Is that why you are afraid of any salad tosser? Who knows if any female deafie would be happly to show you the salad tricks...For your info, there is no salad nazi on Gally campus.I hope that you don't feel like a salad shooter...
Slangs...

WOW... where the hell is this going? So you found the urban dictionary and now you know the meaning.. Good for you. The thread is about audism not Gally or salad tossing but thank you for your amusing commentary.

Eve · 05-08-2006, 09:01 AM

I find it interesting that those who do not seem intelligent enough to debate appropriately often resort to name-calling and belittling their opponents because they can't seem to muster up adequate discussion matter.

Oh, and I really thought the topic here was the term "AUDISM"....not the gally prez or "salad tossing".

05-08-2006, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Eve

I find it interesting that those who do not seem intelligent enough to debate appropriately often resort to name-calling and belittling their opponents because they can't seem to muster up adequate discussion matter.

Oh, and I really thought the topic here was the term "AUDISM"....not the gally prez or "salad tossing".

Eve, Rockdrummer started to provide me his educational insight in slangs..

05-08-2006, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

WOW... where the hell is this going? So you found the urban dictionary and now you know the meaning.. Good for you. The thread is about audism not Gally or salad tossing but thank you for your amusing commentary.

Sure, you are welcome.

I was not award of that new "salad toss" slangs until you brought it up.

What is your favorite item on the salad bar?

05-08-2006, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Eve

I find it interesting that those who do not seem intelligent enough to debate appropriately often resort to name-calling and belittling their opponents because they can't seem to muster up adequate discussion matter.

Oh, and I really thought the topic here was the term "AUDISM"....not the gally prez or "salad tossing".

Thanks Eve, Mookie looses focus eaisly but he seems like a good guy to me. I think he is obssessed with the whole Gally thing and now maybe even salad tossing. Do you think Mookie is a deaf audist????

05-08-2006, 01:18 PM

Hey Rockdrummer,

There is a link for Audism....

I bet that you are not aware of its website....

05-08-2006, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mookie

Hey Rockdrummer,There is a link for Audism....I bet that you are not aware of its website....

Hey Mookie, Thanks for the link. I went there and it seems a bit bias. Here is a link for you that is more along the line of Tom's definition http://deafness.about.com/cs/deafculture/a/audism.htm I think there are deaf that are audist's too. It's not just the hearing discriminating against the deaf. It's also the deaf discriminating against other deaf, or HOH, or folks with CI or HA. It's kind of like those students at Gally that don't want JKF because she is not deaf enough. Or like the deaf that wont date other deaf because they have hearing parents or they are not proficient with ASL.

05-19-2006, 07:14 PM

05-20-2006, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mookie

If you are really interested in stomping out Audism, then step up to the plate and start an awarness campaign. Educate the hearing community of deaf issues. Seriously, I am 45 years old and in for most of my life I had never even met a deaf person. Untill my son became deaf and I started diving into this I was never aware of the issues that the deaf face. I was never aware of the discrimination and the history of how the deaf struggle and how some still struggle today. I see alot of deaf people talking about the problems but I don't see anyone stepping up to the plate. I can tell you with a high degree of certanty that you will have a tremendous impact if you make folks aware. But to be successful you have to remove any bias and remain objective to the entire deaf experience. You will not succeed if you are anti this or anti that.

You make a lot of tounge and cheek comments to me Mookie. While I find it amusing, it makes me think that you don't take me seriously. If you want me to take you seriously then a little mutual respect is in order here.

05-20-2006, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mookie

Shawn Dale Barnett, thanks for proving the ingorant audists that you finally have beated your wholeheart drums in your true dreams....

AKA, WORLD FAMOUS PROFESSIONAL 100 PERCENT DEAF DRUMMER

Rest in Peace, Brother.....

Sweetmind · 05-20-2006, 09:38 AM

Thank you Mookie, I have mentioned about it in DeafNotes.. People do not listen us very well that is a huge serious problem nowadays.

I will always miss him and have met him in person. He s so awesome and cool guy. Also he can speak like me.

I know deaf people can do anything except hear. It s proven already but people chose not to listen to us.

I am wondering if they are too afraid that Deaf people are successful so they pushed us away from deaf and hearing community because we cannot hear or speak perfect. UMMPPHH!!

Thanks!

Sweetmind

05-20-2006, 09:40 AM

Sorry... post removed because I would rather stay on the high road and I am not sure I understood your posting ....

05-20-2006, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweetmind

Thank you Mookie, I have mentioned about it in DeafNotes.. People do not listen us very well that is a huge serious problem nowadays.

I wish I understood what Mookie is saying. I take it as an insult to me personally. I now have the feeling I am wrong... I think that it's awsome of this man.. Can I ask.. has he passed away??

Sweetmind · 05-20-2006, 09:51 AM

Well I dont think Mookie is trying to be rude since you dont get it yet. Thats why we are too frustrated with audism people who does not listen or understand what we are trying to educate them.. He did explain everything as much as he pointed that out clearly that they are not gonna to change their attitude. They think they know it all about us and our Deaf community that turns out very negative comments about our Deaf university all the time. I dont think it s quite fair.

Mookie and I are much alike that we are not giving it up that easily because audism people have not stopped their excuses and degradation about our deafness and devices. Of course we are being very stubborn because we know the truth about being deaf and our abilities that no one allowed us to.

Audism people have no respect people like us..

Yes he died few years ago that is very sad to lose other deaf citizens in our Deaf community. I miss him dearly and have so much pride from his Deaf spirits.

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SHAWN DALE BARNETT,RECENTLY PASSED AWAY DUE TO HIS PAINFUL BATTLE WITH CANCER ON FEBRUARY 23rd,8:08AM, at his home in LEAVENWORTH,KANSAS.HE WAS WITH HIS FAMILY.

Thanks!

Sweetmind

05-20-2006, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mookie

Shawn Dale Barnett, thanks for proving the ingorant audists that you finally have beated your wholeheart drums in your true dreams....
AKA, WORLD FAMOUS PROFESSIONAL 100 PERCENT DEAF DRUMMER

Rest in Peace, Brother.....

Sweetmind, Here is Mookies post that I am referring to. What does this mean. Is Shawn dead? Is what I have bolded a quote from Shawn or Mookie? Sorry but I am confused here. And for the record, I belive that ANY person can achieve ANYTHING if they put their heart and mind into it. I know that I am not alone in my beliefs.

05-20-2006, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

Yes just as your true colors are shining through. Remember Mookie, sometimes it's better to not say anything and let folks think you are an idiot rather than to say something and remove all doubt. I have no respect for you and your obvious audist attitude towards me. F.O.A.D. BROTHER.

I couldn't agree with you more... Now, I really think Mookie needs a salad tosser, that's for a damn sure...

(fyi: I learned "salad tosser" come from Comedian Chris Rock from HBO, so that's how I know

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05-20-2006, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Nuty

I couldn't agree with you more... Now, I really think Mookie needs a salad tosser, that's for damn sure...

(fyi: I learned "salad tosser" come from Comedian Chris Rock from HBO, so that's how I know

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I actually removed that post in an attempt to stay on the high road and to make sure I understand what Mookies' intent was. It's not clear if that is him speaking or a quote from Shawn. The guy (Mookie) comes out of left field sometimes and it's confusing. I will reserve my comments untill I get further clearification. For the record, my quote in Nuty's post was removed.... Hey Nuty... I love your avitar... Gotta have more cowbell.....

05-20-2006, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

I actually removed that post in an attempt to stay on the high road and to make sure I understand what Mookies' intent was. It's not clear if that is him speaking or a quote from Shawn. The guy (Mookie) comes out of left field sometimes and it's confusing. I will reserve my comments untill I get further clearification. For the record, my quote in Nuty's post was removed.... Hey Nuty... I love your avitar... Gotta have more cowbell.....

Understood

Yeah, we gotta have more cowbell because most of us in here are deaf.

Sweetmind · 05-20-2006, 10:14 AM

I strongly believe MOOKIE proves you wrong since Deaf people can do anything except hear. Audism people are being so inferior themselves since they dont really accept their deafness or our deafness. They are actually to make it looks like that Deaf people cant cant cant cant because we do not wear any devices. JEEZ!!!

No wonder people thinks Deaf people cant do anything unless We must have or have to have the HEAR and SPEAK only in hearing community that 's where it comes from AUDISM people who told a big lies about us..

They are too afraid that we have already proved that we Deaf people are successful in this diverse world not in hearing world.

Thanks!
Sweetmind

05-20-2006, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweetmind

I strongly believe MOOKIE proves you wrong since Deaf people can do anything except hear.

Proves me wrong about what?? That is where I am confused. Was Mookie giving me an example of leadership or were these his words to me? And as I said, I believe that ANY person can do ANYTHING if they put their heart and mind to it.

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Audism people are being so inferior themselves since they dont really accept their deafness or our deafness. They are actually to make it looks like that Deaf people cant cant cant cant because we do not wear any devices. JEEZ!!!

Yes I agree and that is a shame. How would you personally go about changing that? What can be done to change this perception?

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No wonder people thinks Deaf people cant do anything unless We must have or have to have the HEAR and SPEAK only in hearing community that 's where it comes from AUDISM people who told a big lies about us.. They are too afraid that we have already proved that we Deaf people are successful in this diverse world not in hearing world. It's sad that there are still people out there like this.

That is why I was trying to make a point about promoting awareness. Let me give you an example and this is in no way a comparison to the deaf condition but an example of how to affect change. There are now building codes that require any new construction or major remodeling of public structures to be "accessible" The wider doorways and lowered sinks, ramps, etc. to accomidate people in wheelchairs. This is an example of how a group with unique needs changed the world to accomidate them. My guess is that they used the existing framework within the government the same way special interest groups and lobbyists do. Pardon my ignorance but has there ever been such an effort for deaf issues?

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Thanks!
Sweetmind

No, Thank you. You know despite the way others percieve you I can see the message you are sending.. IMO You have the potential to to be a highly effective person to promote awareness. You have made me aware of things that I would have otherwise not considered.

05-20-2006, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

Sweetmind, Here is Mookies post that I am referring to. What does this mean. Is Shawn dead? Is what I have bolded a quote from Shawn or Mookie? Sorry but I am confused here. And for the record, I belive that ANY person can achieve ANYTHING if they put their heart and mind into it. I know that I am not alone in my beliefs.

Well...Rockdrummer....I was out all afternoon with my family. Tsk...tsk...you made a horrible comment about me?

You should have researched before you comment....

Am I wrong not to call hearies who do not believe that any deafie able impossible "Audism"? Care to explain?

Here is some info about THE "DEAF MUSIC" MAN

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He has also done much to communicate his sounds directly to hearing-impaired fans. His one-man show presents his "deaf music" that features a new type of rhythm, drum vibrations, speeds of time and visual effects like flashing lights, fog machines, and balloons. A lot of listeners, including other deaf people, find it hard to believe he plays and writes so well. The way he puts it is: "I go by just feeling the vibrations in one way or another."

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Barnett has performed in all 50 states and in five foreign countries.

At one time or another, Barnett has played various kinds of music: rock; country; pop; blues; classical; rap; alternative. He has developed sounds that have been labeled "deaf music." This is performed with drums only, along with visual effects.

Over the past four years Barnett has concentrated on his own culture, " ... reconnecting with the deaf community ... " Last year he presented his one-man show to more than 200,000 people, was featured in newspaper stories, and appeared on television programs for the deaf and hearing-impaired.

Deaf Rock Drummer To Appear At East Coast Venues

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Barnett is the only deaf musician to have a top 10 hit on MTV (1987). For more than 21 years, he has toured with some of the world's best known bands, in including Alice-'N-Chains, Skid Row, Poison and Nirvana. Thus, Barnett has earned the title, "World Famous Professional Drummer."

What makes you think that any deaf musican would never enter the show biz?

Do you know whose quotations are?

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"... My hearing has grown steadily worse over the last three years, which was said to be caused by the condition of my belly..."

"... For two years I have avoided almost all social gatherings because it is impossible for me to say to people "I am deaf". If I belonged to any other profession it would be easier, but in my professsion it is a frightful state.."

"... It is curious that in conversation there are people who do not notice my condition at all; since I have generally been absent-minded, theey account for it in that way. Often I can scarcley hear someone speaking softly, the tones yes, but not the words. However, as soon as anyone shouts it becomes intolerable..."

Ludwig van Beethoven

Rockdrummer, you may need to purchase the Beethoven's last record. Don't you know how much he was so angry at whole hearies while he performed his ninth symphony in the opera house? My wife who took the music course at Gally told me that Beethoven was not sure about the sound since he was the deaf competely. Beethoven's fingers played so beautifully in order to make high pitches then low pitches then high pitches then low pitches then high pitchs....until the final high pitch. The

in the audience then seconds later

You may need to rent a film called Mr. Holland's Opus (1996) who has deaf son.

Thanks, Sweetmind. I have not heard about him until I learnt about him in another deaf online newsletter a few years ago....

05-21-2006, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mookie

Well...Rockdrummer....I was out all afternoon with my family. Tsk...tsk...you made a horrible comment about me?

You should have researched before you comment....

First and foremost Mookie let me apologize for my comment. It was wrong of me to say those things without getting clearification. I am sorry!!. I realized my knee jerk reaction was the wrong thing to do and pulled the post. Unfortunatly it was not in enough time because someone else sited my quote in their post. I read your comment and first thought it was directed at me. I am sorry. I was wrong. Please accept my apology. Its' funny because I tell others to think before they speak and then I go and make a stupid post like that.

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Am I wrong not to call hearies who do not believe that any deafie able impossible "Audism"? Care to explain?

No you are not wrong to say that. What you would be wrong about is if you considered me to be one of those audists that think deafies cant do music or anything else for that matter.

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What makes you think that any deaf musican would never enter the show biz?

I never thought that nor did I ever say that. I have said and still say that I beleive any person can do anything as long as they put their minds to it. Maybe you should go read some of my stuff to get a more accurate impression of me and my beliefs. The questions that you pose to me make it obvious that you don't understand me and perhaps think I am one of those audists. I am not. As a drummer and musician I have total respect and admiration for what Shawn accomplished. I wish I could get some samples of his work. I would love to hear what he did. If you have any references to his material I would appreciate it.

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Rockdrummer, you may need to purchase the Beethoven's last record. Don't you know how much he was so angry at whole hearies while he performed his ninth symphony in the opera house? My wife who took the music course at Gally told me that Beethoven was not sure about the sound since he was the deaf competely. Beethoven's fingers played so beautifully in order to make high pitches then low pitches then high pitches then low pitches then high pitchs....until the final high pitch. The

in the audience then seconds later

You may need to rent a film called Mr. Holland's Opus (1996) who has deaf son.

There are many things I need to do, read and see in my quest to learn and I appreciate your references to materials. I hope we are good.

Sweetmind · 06-26-2006, 10:07 PM

http://urbansemiotic.com/2006/05/06/audists-and-audism/

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Audists and Audism
Published by David W. Boles 1 month, 3 weeks ago in Deaf
I have always loved the discovery of new words and ideas. I am also forever curious about the genesis of words and how they came into popular being in a culture.

I learned two new words last week that are interrelated: “Audists” and “Audism” and the concept of those words has been around since 1977 and used in print in a scholarly book in 1992.

“Audists” are Deaf or Hearing people who think they are superior to others with lesser hearing and that process of a climbing supremacy on the backs of the audibly disabled is called “Audism.” Here are some examples of Audism in action:

Poor English skills are because the Deaf cannot hear and because the Deaf’s first language is American Sign Language
Deaf children look like animals when they sign with their hands
Deaf people shuffle as they walk because they have an inner ear imbalance that causes insecurity in movement
The Deaf should not be allowed to drive because they cannot hear emergency sirens or other audible warnings
The Deaf are broken and need to be fixed medically with Cochlear Implants or Hearing Aids
Only Deaf people who learn to voice English without a “Deaf accent” will find successful employment
Even though those Audist and Audism are not yet printed in a standard dictionary they have power and purchase in a certain narrow context in Deaf Culture that I find quite interesting.

Here is how Gallaudet University frames the history of the use of “Audism” in print:

The first appearance of the term audism in print seems to have been by Harlan Lane in 1992. However, Lane credits the invention of the term to Tom Humphries’ unpublished 1977 doctoral dissertation (Humphries 1977). After Humphries coined the term audism, it laid dormant until Lane revived its use 15 years later. It is increasingly catching on, though not yet in regular dictionaries of the English language. Humphries originally applied audism to individual attitudes and practices, but Lane and others have broadened its scope to include institutional and group attitudes, practices, and oppression of deaf persons.

Gallaudet goes on to mark the use of “Audism” in other scholarly texts:

…the belief that life without hearing is futile and miserable, that hearing loss is a tragedy and “the scourge of mankind,” and that deaf people should struggle to be as much like hearing people as possible. Deaf activists Heidi Reed and Hartmut Teuber at D.E.A.F. Inc., a community service and advocacy organization in Boston, consider audism to be “a special case of ableism.” Audists, hearing or deaf, shun Deaf culture and the use of sign language, and have what Reed and Teuber describe as “an obsession with the use of residual hearing, speech, and lip-reading by deaf people.” (Pelka 1997: 33)

The notion that one is superior based on one’s ability to hear or behave in the manner of one who hears. (Zak 1996)

…an attitude based on pathological thinking which results in a negative stigma toward anyone who does not hear; like racism or sexism, audism judges, labels, and limits individuals on the basis of whether a person hears and speaks. (Humphrey and Alcorn 1995: 85)

…the corporate institution for dealing with deaf people, dealing with them by making statements about them, authorizing views of them, describing them, teaching about them, governing where they go to school and, in some cases, where they live; in short, audism is the hearing way of dominating, restructuring, and exercising authority over the deaf community. It includes such professional people as administrators of schools for deaf children and of training programs for deaf adults, interpreters, and some audiologists, speech therapists, otologists, psychologists, psychiatrists, librarians, researchers, social workers, and hearing aid specialists. (Lane 1992: 43)

The following image celebrates “Deaf Pride” — the opposite of Audists and their Audism — because the symbol indicates you don’t need an ear that hears to live a full and delicious life:

Let’s hope one day soon Merriam-Webster and other standard dictionaries will include a line or two defining Audists and Audism as terms in current usage because identifying discrimination with a precise term instead of generic label gives the cause of equality greater standing against those who choose to repress others with opposite meanings that purposefully misdescribe natural being.

Following up ----

Sweetmind · 06-26-2006, 10:12 PM

35 Responses to “Audists and Audism”

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Janna May 6th, 2006 at 12:25 pm
This is a good article that raises important issues in the Deaf community. I hope that one day we won’t need these kinds of labels.

I see some Audism in everywhere I go, either teaching an ASL class or meeting new co-workers at my job. I have a co-worker who never spoke to me in 4 years and finally spoke to me last week, only because she sees me talking to other hearing co-workers more and more.

I think it is because I use more hearing culture with my co-workers and since she is not open minded about deaf culture and is comfortable with hearing culture, she is “accepting me.” We do not tell African-Americans to be more “white” or Gay workers to be more “straight” but a deaf person has to be more hearing so s/he will not be judged harshly.

There are times I meet students in my ASL class who want to learn ASL to “help the Deaf” without realizing you can’t just learn a language without first immersing yourself in the culture that formed the language.

I often tell my students if the deaf person does not ask or accept your assistance in interpreting something, leave that person alone. There are other ways to communicate with the hearing population and using “voice” is not the only option.

For that reason I require both immersion in the culture as well as mastery of the grammar when I teach ASL so my students will have a better understanding of all the elements that come together to make up a language.

I do not believe in the term “can’t” when it comes to communication skills relating to us Deaf people. Instead of saying “she can’t read lips”, I say “she does not read lips.” It is more of a fact than a negative aspect. To me, this takes away the practice of “Audism.”

David W. Boles May 6th, 2006 at 12:33 pm
Hi Janna Marie!

Thank you for sharing your exciting thoughts on this important issue and I appreciate you bringing the whole Audism and Audist concept to my attention. This is a good discussion to have about Deafness and labelling and the power of perception from the majority view and the minority view.

So do you think ASL enforces the Audist view that the Deaf have an inferior language to spoken English or do you think it disproves Audism?

David W. Boles May 6th, 2006 at 12:35 pm
FYI:

For those wondering about Janna’s Gravatar — she is demonstrating in American Sign Language the final sign for the phrase “throwing my computer out the window!”

Ha!

Janna May 6th, 2006 at 1:03 pm
Right now ASL is accessible to the hearing people who want to learn the language. They are learning that sign language is a visual language with its’ own syntax and specific rules such as detailed facial expressions and body movements.

The Deaf people in this society have to keep going and keep teaching hearing people that we are human beings and we do have a strong impact in this world. Just because we do not use our voice or do not hear like they do, it does not mean we are creatures or our language is any less good than English or Russian or Chinese.

Last night we watched the movie “A History of Violence” and there was one part where a character said something like, “They are creatures…they do not speak.” So I thought to myself, “So I am a creature. I am inhuman” because I prefer not to use my voice. This is where more deaf people have to speak out and teach even writers about how they unknowingly degrade people like me.

There are always people who will stick to their old fashioned point of views and they will not change. I’m hoping there will be less and less of these kinds of people one day.

I have mixed feelings about the logo you show above with the ear and the diagonal line through it. I understand it is saying that the ear has no hearing and it intended to be a positive image for the Deaf community.

I see it and sometimes feel it means “no hearing” and it is a negative thing. It is the line across from ear that bothers me. Like when there are other logos such as “no smoking” or “no eating.”

“No” is negative term. “Not hearing” is not a negative term to me but “no ears allowed” is negative because the Deaf community is happy to welcome in the Hearing who want to be a part of our culture.

Why can’t we create a logo without that negative line? Why can’t we have a “Deaf” logo with a positive image?

Okay, that was fun but no more questions. I’m hungry and you owe me lunch. Janna has left the building!

David W. Boles May 6th, 2006 at 1:07 pm
Thanks for the excellent comment, Janna!

I take your point about the image and I think you’re right. It can be interpreted as the negative opposite of Audism and that’s important to note.

Okay, let’s go do lunch!

David W. Boles May 6th, 2006 at 2:06 pm
Okay, we’re back from lunch!

If anyone has any questions about Audism or comments for Janna, shoot away!

Chris May 6th, 2006 at 2:11 pm
Hi David and Janna,

I’ve never heard of Audism before. Thanks for enlightening me about the issue.

David W. Boles May 6th, 2006 at 2:15 pm
Hiya Chris!

Join the club!

Janna just mentioned it to me last week!

SimmeringInSeattle May 6th, 2006 at 2:25 pm
Dear Janna and David –

Okay I have a question about my nephew. He has a hearing loss in one ear and is pretty much deaf in the other. His parents want him to have a cochlear implant and keep him in a hearing school. He is 8. He knows some signs and tells me he would like to learn more but his parents do not let him hang out with other deaf kids and the doctos say if he uses sign language he will never master his implant.

Where do you two come down on this?

Dawn May 6th, 2006 at 2:29 pm
Hey there.

You know, I’d never heard this term up till now, and omg it makes me angry! I suffer from a hearing loss, as do two of my three Children, which has resulted in them having to wear Hearing Aids. They will need them for the rest of their lives.

But what gives Audists the right to slap Labels like this on People?? Isn’t this just to cover their own insecurities? Like racism, or being sexist to name just a couple.

My life isn’t, nor ever has been, miserable as a result of suffering from a hearing loss - although I should point out that I’m not Deaf completely, and neither are my Children. We are “hard of hearing” as it’s termed in the UK.

The results of tests that proved my Daughter and my youngest Son needed Hearing Aids devastated me. I felt like it was all my fault, and that they’d be picked on in school for being “different”. But nothing could be further from the truth. A little girl almost moved me to tears one day when she was playing with my daughter before going into class. I was calling my daughter’s name to get her in for class, but she didn’t hear me. So this little girl went and grabbed her and said your Mummy’s shouting to you. Then hand in hand, they walked over to this little girls’ mom and she said Mummy, this is —-(my daughter), she’s my friend and she is hard of hearing. My daughter walked into class with a big smile on her face and since then, they’ve been inseperable. She proved to me that kids aren’t always cruel, and indeed my daughter’s friends all look out for her - I hope the same can be said of my youngest Son when he starts full time school.

Janna May 6th, 2006 at 2:32 pm
Hi SimmeringInSeattle –

This is a typical point of view from parents. They think the child will lose their voice or become less human if they learn sign language. For me, I learned ASL and took speech class at the same time growing up. It helped me become a secure person & to make decisions for myself as I became an adult. What is great about your 8 year old nephew is that he is interested in sign language. That means he already understands that sign language can be a part of his many communication skills. Why take that away from him? Let him find out what is best for him, not what is best for his parents.

Janna May 6th, 2006 at 2:46 pm
Hello Dawn-

I love it that you were able to share that story about your daughter and her friend. I think that is another reason why parents do not want their kids to sign because kids can be crueler than adults sometimes. Kids make fun of names, the color of our hair, & how we dress. Your daughter’s friend is not only a solid friendship for her, but a strong support system she needs in her life. I think that’s really cool. There is a children’s book that Academy Award winner Marlee Matlin wrote several years ago. Marlee, as you may know, is Deaf and she wrote a book about a Deaf child meeting a hearing child & they became best friends. The title of the book is “Deaf Child Crossing” and while it says the story is fiction, it is based on her real life growing up.

David W. Boles May 6th, 2006 at 2:52 pm
Hiya Simmering!

Gosh, I feel for you and I hope you will find a way to be an impartial advocate for your nephew. It seems like he is interested in sign and to expose him to a few experiences in the Deaf community will only enrich his life and not demean it.

Take the advocacy position that exposure to everything leads to big things while narrow expression of the self condemns one to a small life.

David W. Boles May 6th, 2006 at 2:57 pm
Hi Dawn!

I had no idea there was hearing loss in your family. I commend you for accepting it and not making it a bad thing for you or your children.

Is there any pressure from the medical community to implant your children — or you! — with Cochlear Implants?

http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/hearing/coch.asp

In America, implanting Deaf children — and now infants as young as four months old — is the preferred method of treatment to surgically “fix” Deaf (and Hearing Impaired) ears.

SimmeringInSeattle May 6th, 2006 at 2:59 pm
Thanks so much you two. It looks like I better start standing up for my nephew. I will be his advocate as best I can and refer his parents and his doctors to this article and conversation if they give me any guff about it.

Kathakali Chatterjee May 6th, 2006 at 4:50 pm
Hi David and Janna,

Thank you for empowering us about “Audists and Audism.”

At times I think, we, those who claim to be able to use their five senses perfectly are the most incapable of doing so. We may hear, but we don’t listen. We are way too eager to talk, to keen to get our message across, just because we can talk. What a waste of energy.

If we could speak less probably we could become more sensitive and the world could be much peaceful place to live.

Mik May 6th, 2006 at 5:23 pm
Thanks too for enlightening me about those words, not heard them before either.

My Dad’s parents were both hearing and vocally challenged (they always called themselves “deaf & dumb”) and it never stopped them leading rich full lives and making the most of every opportunity. They raised five hearing kids and belonged to a plethora of social clubs and had loads of friends.

Grandma could sign in British and American sign language because she had British and American deaf friends at the social club for the deaf she went to.

Of course I am sure they encountered discrimination because of their deafness but it wasn’t something they made a big fuss of. they just got on and enjoyed life.

Maritza May 6th, 2006 at 5:28 pm
I finally got hearing aids this year after saving up my money for a very long time. They are about $2,000 each and to quote my style conscience brother in law, “Why did you get the orthopedic shoe version of hearing aids?” Meaning, damn those things are big, clunky and ugly!

I’m glad I got them. I have about 40% hearing loss which isn’t enough to qualify as “deaf” but “hearing impaired”. Whatever. I now understand why some deaf people don’t want to wear hearing aids (it’s a loud loud world!) and why some do (music is great!). I only wear them half a day at work and when my teenage daughter deems it necessary to speak in complete sentences.

I have noticed that my co-workers talk to me more since I don’t always bark, “What? Excuse me?” anymore. But, I’ve noticed that those people who don’t know me treat me as if I am stupid. Some people equate deafness with mental deficencies.

Serendiptously ran across your blog while surfing and listening (truly) to NPR’s radio bit on this same topic you posted. Unfortunately, I was too lazy to put in my aids so didn’t get everything that was said.

Thanks!

David W. Boles May 6th, 2006 at 5:38 pm
Hi Katha –

Thank you for your powerful thoughts! When one sense is taken away or partially impaired or permanently missing the other senses seem to gain ever greater energy and perception.

David W. Boles May 6th, 2006 at 5:46 pm
Hi Mik!

We use “Deaf and Does Not Speak” today instead of “Deaf and Dumb.” Was your dad involved in the Deaf community beyond his parents in any way? As a CODA — a Child of a Deaf Adult — he might have made a wonderful interpreter. Did your dad learn to sign?

British Sign Language, or BSL, is fascinating. I think Janna has had some exposure to or experience with it in the field.

Discrimination is tough. You’re right that you either let it kill you or you find a way to live around it.

David W. Boles May 6th, 2006 at 6:07 pm
Hey Maritza!

I am happy you decided to get hearing aids! Yes, they are incredibly expensive. I know several people who have spent $8,000.00 USD for aids in both ears. Radio star Don Imus said the other day on his show that he spent $12,000.00 USD for new aids for both ears. That’s an ironic result of the danger of a 40 year in radio – you slowly become deafened because you had your headphones set much too loud for four hours a day.

I hope your insurance plan helped cover some of the cost. Your brother-in-law deserves a punch in the ear for that rotten comment! The line between insensitivity and being funny and inflicting cruelty is a thinner line than many of us realize.

It’s great with your 40% hearing loss that you don’t worry about labels. If you decided with at 40% loss to join the Deaf Community and learn ASL so you could communicate with others you would be welcomed. Unfortunately, in the Hearing World, any sort of sensory loss is directly marked as bad and different and separating and that can cause pain in community and communication.

You’re right there is a LOT of environmental sound poisoning! Some offices — with radios and unrestricted voices — are louder than the street below with cars and busses and the churn of people. I think that’s why many work places allow people to use iPods and other personal music devices — so they can find a little bit of personal quiet in an ever-loudening world that is their office cubicle.

Your point about Deafness equaling a mental deficiency to some people is important and it comes out of the belief if someone needs to communicate on paper or in mime or in home signs or in Pidgin-Signed-English that they are in some way inferior to the mainstream majority way of communicating. We all have our heaps and our losses — some of them are just not visible to the naked eye or ear.

I searched the NPR website for “Audism” but didn’t find anything. If you can find a link to share that would be super!

Thanks so much for stepping up. I appreciate it very much because staying low and keeping quiet is the easier path to resistance. To stand up and say, “Hey… this is what I know…” risks exposing yourself to ridicule from some like your brother-in-law but you service a much greater good by sharing your confidence instead of hoarding in fear.

Maritza May 6th, 2006 at 7:09 pm
My bro-in-law’s remark was meant to illustrate that for $4,000 USD all you get are some ugly ass low tech hearing aids. I didn’t take offense at all. There are some super sleek ones that are extremely costly with all sorts of programmable features and are pratically invisible. I don’t care if mine are day-glo green, I wear them (part time) proudly. Bro in law is a fashion facist but there seems to be one in every family!

My insurance didn’t cover any part of the cost of the hearing aids. When I call our benefits administrator to enquire, she explained that our plan will only cover the cost of hearing devices only if, “…you have total and sudden hearing loss.” Not being able to resist, I said, “What? What? Oh my god, I have total and sudden hearing loss!”. She hung up on me.

Following up ....

Sweetmind · 06-26-2006, 10:13 PM

Quote:

I will search the NPR New York City site for the program. The website usually lists the programs a day or two after they have aired. If I find it, I will post it here (or should I say…post it hear).

By the way, my father is totally deaf in one ear, partially in another from a childhood accident. He swears he’s not deaf, it’s other people who talk too quietly! Total and complete denial about his deafness. But that’s another story…

Maritza May 6th, 2006 at 7:14 pm
Found it!

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5388933

If this doesn’t work it is on Weekend Edition section of the website. Here’s a snippet:

Education
New President Faces Opposition at Gallaudet
by Howard Berkes and Joseph Shapiro

Enlarge Mannie Garcia
Gallaudet University students protest the choice of Jane Fernandes as president-elect at a May 2 sit-in at the school in Washington, D.C. AP

All Things Considered, May 6, 2006 · For the second time in two decades, students at the world’s only university for the deaf are protesting the selection of the school’s new president. Eighteen years ago, similar demonstrations demanded a deaf president for a deaf university. This time, the issues are slightly different. The new president, Jane Fernandes, was born deaf. What lies behind student objections?

David W. Boles May 6th, 2006 at 8:16 pm
Hi Maritza!

I understand you need to defend your brother-in-law but others need to know — who may not know better — that kind that of comment, no matter the intent, serves no one’s best interest.

The larger hearing aids are MUCH MORE powerful than the in-the-ear hidden type of aid. You did the right thing and purchased the very best aids at what is an excellent price even though it may not seem like that now.

I know of insurance plans that will cover up to $2,400.00 USD per-ear 100% for aids every four years. It’s fantastic. If you are a child the aids can be replace every two years at that per-ear price — and even more frequently — if an audiologist deems it necessary. I’m sorry you had to foot the entire bill.

Thank you for the NPR link! It’s the “Deaf President Now!” protest all over again! What a wild story. History truly repeats itself. I’m going to have to read up on it all now and I’m sure I will get no sleep tonight!

My mother is totally Deaf in one ear due to Scarlett Fever when she was a child. She lip-reads and “passes” for Hearing but in many ways she is Deaf and definitely unable to fulfill the stereotypical suite of full “Hearing” communication. She only purchased a hearing aid in her 50’s. She does not use it every day. She misses out on a lot of communication because she is too vain to wear her in-the-ear aid.

Janna May 6th, 2006 at 8:44 pm
Kathakali -

I guess that is why many hearing people feel “superior” when it comes to topics related to deafness because they think since they have all the 5 senses, they are superhuman! It’s funny that you talked about some people who talk and talk and talk and just do not listen. My pet peeve is people who do not take advantage of their eyesight. When they are driving on the road, they think they can talk on the cell phone and drive at the same time. I’m sure you’ve seen many accident articles in the newspaper and it is because they think they can do two or more things at the same time while driving. Even when they are not using their cell phones while they are at the stop light, people depend so much on their hearing; they don’t realize that the red light has changed to green light until somebody behind them honks at them. Using your eyes is “hearing” also.

Janna May 6th, 2006 at 8:44 pm
Mik-

Your grandparents seemed to be a strong couple. Yes, I know they had to go through discrimination because all deaf people do. I think perhaps they did not want to share their negative experiences with you because you were a child or it is something they do not want to discuss with their family members.

British Sign Language is beautiful. When I first moved to New York I met a few British Deaf and I love it when they teach me their signs. It is very different from ASL. I deal with a lot of Russian Deaf in my job and WOW is Russian sign language different from ASL in so many ways. I love learning these different sign languages.

Janna May 6th, 2006 at 8:45 pm
Maritza-

I love it that you will not change your audible devices for someone else. You do what is best for you.

I thought it was interesting that you stopped barking when you got your hearing aids. But I wonder if the hearing people noticed you are frustrated in communicating with them while you were barking? That is what happened to me.

David tells me that I look so furious when I do not understand him when he signs. I’ve learned not to lower my eyebrows so much. It makes me look angry. So I had to learn to look “soft” and when I do that, I see that hearing people don’t mind repeating for me.

When I need someone to repeat what they’ve said, I would raise my eyebrows and say “Sorry?” meaning please repeat it. I find it interesting that we all have to find ways to communicate, not only verbally but with our body language.

Kathakali Chatterjee May 6th, 2006 at 9:35 pm
Hi Janna,

Thank you for your response!

I agree with you, 100%.

Along with that I would like to add one more point – not being able to interpret even verbal communication correctly – forget about sign language. At times we are so busy proving our own point that we don’t even care to listen to people and in some cases we come too strong on others or we just ignore people.

I used to react like a brick-head (this is a straight translation from my mother tongue for the word “dumb”!) before. And I failed to read between the lines ‘n’ number of times in my life. Just because I am an internal processor I ponder on things in my life and later find out that my “instant reaction” didn’t convey the right message I wanted to convey.

If, we, the so called “superhuman” fail to interpret the right meaning of a verbal communication most of the time, how come we claim to be superhuman and why?

Janna May 6th, 2006 at 10:11 pm
Kathakali -

Yes, I know what you mean about people who are so busy wanting to prove their points and not listening to others’ feedback. It’s almost like they just need to hear their own voice.

I think the “superhuman” would focus on their 6th sense, along with the 5 senses if our society valued it. Only 5 senses are written and put together and as long as we think they are functional, we do not label them as a disability. I would call the 6th sense “thinking process” and that is where we “read” people (like you said on the 2nd paragraph). I’m sure others could find a better term. It would be so neat to add a 6th sense (I’m sure we have more than 6) to our 5 popular senses.

Dawn May 6th, 2006 at 11:25 pm
Hey Dave,

No, there’s been no presure from the medical community whatsoever to have them implanted with Cochlear Implants. I think they take the stance that it’s better to wait until the Child is able to make that decision for themselves, which of course is a good thing.

The hearing loss is totally from my side of the family, but being adopted means I don’t know where it comes from. My mother didn’t find out with me until I was 5 years old. She used to call me in for Dinner while I was playing with a friend a few doors down, and I never used to hear her, so she decided it was time to have my hearing tested. Strangely enough, I’ve never even been offered hearing aids. Although I know I would benefit from them, I don’t know if I’d wear them. I have this strange (or not) adversity to doing whatever I’m told to by the Medical professionals lol. Plus I’ve handled the loss just fine for the 23 years I’ve known about it. I’m also pretty adept at reading people’s lips, I never conciously made that effort so I guess it must be a subconcious thing, although when I first moved to Canada, the accent screwed me up somewhat.

Every person handles the loss in their own way. I’ve been fine with mine, it’s never been something that I defined as making me different or inferior or anything, and I’ve never made a big issue of it for my kids. They wear their Hearing Aids proudly, have done since they were babies, because they know they have to in order to hear. My daughter did so well in her first year at School with her hearing aids, and she was named Academic Student of the year. Ain’t nobody going to tell me that a hearing loss is a bad thing and that the people who suffer are inferior in any way!

David W. Boles May 7th, 2006 at 10:53 am
Thanks for your wonderful comment, Dawn!

Cochlear Implants, so the doctors say, are most effective when they are implanted as early as possible so the child can gain better exposure to processing environmental sounds and spoken language sounds. To wait until the child is able to make a decision is too late to do the most good.

You might want to explore getting Hearing Aids. You probably have no idea how much you’re missing. Maybe you don’t need that extra sound information, but it’s nice to be in absolute control of your hearing decisions one way or the other.

When I was young I had to get glasses. My eye doctor told my mother at the time – with me in the room! — “His eyes are so bad he doesn’t even know there are leaves on trees!”

Now I took that statement as a personal insult that I was stupid and didn’t know trees had leaves and I rebelled against him and my glasses because of his insensitivity for several years.

If he had only said, “He’ll love being able to see leaves on trees from far away!” — I would have leapt at the chance to see trees in that way — instead of a blur — because I love trees. When it comes to children and their best interest, we all have to be careful of what we say and how we protect them because sometimes even the smallest comment can become a gigantic obstacle.

Mik May 8th, 2006 at 7:41 pm
My Dad, uncle and all the aunts can sign perfectly. Us kids tended not to learn it was well as we should have. We could never keep up with the grandparents “talking” so fast on their hands.

David W. Boles May 8th, 2006 at 7:47 pm
Hi Mik!

Your experience is pretty common.

k franklin farley esq May 10th, 2006 at 1:42 pm
In a recent post you stated:
In America, implanting Deaf children — and now infants as young as four months old — is the preferred method of treatment to surgically “fix” Deaf (and Hearing Impaired) ears.

A great video to watch is “Sound and Fury”. It addresses the Coclear Implant issue and all the side effects. Well, most of them, anyhow. Like most issues that werent a few years ago, today’s issues will engender offshoot issues in time.

I would imagine you have sources for the video. A couple of mine are:

(a veritable treasure chest for me, of books, music, and videos);
the Dept of Education’s Captioned Media Program website.

Some resources for learning history of the deaf community:

“When The Mind Hears, A HISTORY of the DEAF”, a book by Harlan Lane.
Lane quotes Robert P McGregor, first President of the National Association of the Deaf:
“The utmost extreme to which tyranny can go when its mailed hand descends upon a conquered people is the proscription of their national language….What heinous crime have the deaf been guilty of that their language should be proscribed?”
Another good book by Harlan Lane is “The Mask of Benevolence”.

“The Other Side of Silence”, a book by Arden Neisser.

Another book, “The Mind Tree”, a book about Tito Rajarslin Mukhopadhyay, a nearly non-verbal youth suffering from autism, enables the reader to consider another pain and rejection filled life caused by lack of a ‘normal’ speaking ability.

The video “Johnny Belinda” is an OLD Hollywood with Jane Wyman and Lew Ayres, Charles Bickford and Agnes Moorehead &c. Yes, people REALLY DID enjoy watching B&W movies!

And finally, “Children of a Lesser God”, a simply great video, the four letter words and minor nudity notwithstanding. Marlee Matlin won an Oscar for ‘Best Actress’ for her role in this 1980’s offering.

An example of the internal strife and confrontational attitudes in the deaf community (just like any other community–DEAF FOLKS MUST BE NORMAL!!) is displayed by the following quote (and I’m sorry I dont know where I got it):

“Our society is sufficiently rich and enlightened that we are prepared to sympathize with marginal people who endorse our norms but, for resons beyond their control, cannot live up to them. The deaf actress Marlee Matlin won the admiration of many hearing people when she chose to speak aloud on national television, rather than throught an interpreter, on receiving the Oscar for her role as a culturally deaf person in the film Children of a Lesser God. By the same act she incurred criticism from some members of the American deaf community. For them, in those few halting words she negated the principles of the story she had so brilliantly enacted; she chose symbolically not to accept the award as a member of the deaf community; and she seemed to endorse the view that any amount of English is better for deaf people than the most eloquent American Sign Language.”

How it all makes my heart ache….

kenn 1RmSchlHse
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1RmSchlHse May 10th, 2006 at 1:58 pm
Sorry, sorry, sorry!
I keep forgetting all text between ( “lesser than” and “greater than” symbols), and p’r'aps other symbols as well, is dropped when I submit a reply to your blog.
My resources were:

www.alibris.com a site for diverse media
www.cfv.org a Dept of Education web site

kenn 1RmSchlHse
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Thank you!

Sweetmind

Rose Immortal · 06-26-2006, 10:20 PM

I've looked at some of those articles and unless I'm missing it, I didn't see anything that addressed unfair assumptions made against those who are hearing, or who were born hearing and only became dhh later in life. It seems to me that ANY judgment against a person for things not of the "content of their character" is inappropriate...

Passivist · 06-27-2006, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rose Immortal

I've looked at some of those articles and unless I'm missing it, I didn't see anything that addressed unfair assumptions made against those who are hearing, or who were born hearing and only became dhh later in life. It seems to me that ANY judgment against a person for things not of the "content of their character" is inappropriate...

The SEE HEAR (UK deaf program), just did an item on Galludet and Audism, they asked UK deaf, and no-one had ever heard of audism, and said it sounded like autism. It's a dead word here thank goodness, we are dissapointed in Gallaudet and the whole audism thing, those of us who have followed the trail, feel it has probably put American deaf back years. We have the word discrimination that is enough for us.

Critics say American deaf 'advances' appear the opposite, an attempt to marginalise the deaf even more via cultural status, the UK isn't having it, we are dedicated to being treated equal and having total access to the world as it is, we know the deaf world with all it's cultural interests is not enough, and we want real choice, which Audism terms and 'being the right deaf' is not any part of. There are times too, when a softly softly approach will get you more than being downright aggressive too.

I don't want deaf pride and being locked in a cultural cupboard as a result. Increasingly deaf are turning their backs on these pursists. To state deaf have a special type of discrimination, is to say others get lesser, discrimination is discrimination is discrimination, whether it's too many stairs to climb or lack of signed support, discrimination is ugly, it is unfair to whoever gets it, and in whatever form. Sorry, deaf aren't a special case. I think I would rather see Galludet go mainstream now too, world deaf are not impressed with what has been happening there recently, it makes us all look isolationist. Best man or woman for the job ? we live our campaigns by that, Gallaudet has turned this on its head. Do as we say not as we do...

LuciaDisturbed · 06-28-2006, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passivist

The SEE HEAR (UK deaf program), just did an item on Galludet and Audism, they asked UK deaf, and no-one had ever heard of audism, and said it sounded like autism. It's a dead word here thank goodness, we are dissapointed in Gallaudet and the whole audism thing, those of us who have followed the trail, feel it has probably put American deaf back years. We have the word discrimination that is enough for us.

Critics say American deaf 'advances' appear the opposite, an attempt to marginalise the deaf even more via cultural status, the UK isn't having it, we are dedicated to being treated equal and having total access to the world as it is, we know the deaf world with all it's cultural interests is not enough, and we want real choice, which Audism terms and 'being the right deaf' is not any part of. There are times too, when a softly softly approach will get you more than being downright aggressive too.

I don't want deaf pride and being locked in a cultural cupboard as a result. Increasingly deaf are turning their backs on these pursists. To state deaf have a special type of discrimination, is to say others get lesser, discrimination is discrimination is discrimination, whether it's too many stairs to climb or lack of signed support, discrimination is ugly, it is unfair to whoever gets it, and in whatever form. Sorry, deaf aren't a special case. I think I would rather see Galludet go mainstream now too, world deaf are not impressed with what has been happening there recently, it makes us all look isolationist. Best man or woman for the job ? we live our campaigns by that, Gallaudet has turned this on its head. Do as we say not as we do...

I never was really impressed with Gallaudet...

06-29-2006, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passivist

The SEE HEAR (UK deaf program), just did an item on Galludet and Audism, they asked UK deaf, and no-one had ever heard of audism, and said it sounded like autism. It's a dead word here thank goodness, we are dissapointed in Gallaudet and the whole audism thing, those of us who have followed the trail, feel it has probably put American deaf back years. We have the word discrimination that is enough for us.

Critics say American deaf 'advances' appear the opposite, an attempt to marginalise the deaf even more via cultural status, the UK isn't having it, we are dedicated to being treated equal and having total access to the world as it is, we know the deaf world with all it's cultural interests is not enough, and we want real choice, which Audism terms and 'being the right deaf' is not any part of. There are times too, when a softly softly approach will get you more than being downright aggressive too.

I don't want deaf pride and being locked in a cultural cupboard as a result. Increasingly deaf are turning their backs on these pursists. To state deaf have a special type of discrimination, is to say others get lesser, discrimination is discrimination is discrimination, whether it's too many stairs to climb or lack of signed support, discrimination is ugly, it is unfair to whoever gets it, and in whatever form. Sorry, deaf aren't a special case. I think I would rather see Galludet go mainstream now too, world deaf are not impressed with what has been happening there recently, it makes us all look isolationist. Best man or woman for the job ? we live our campaigns by that, Gallaudet has turned this on its head. Do as we say not as we do...

You make some compelling points. Great post!!!

jillio · 06-29-2006, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by sr171soars

I just roll my eyes to the extent of denial of some in the deaf community.

A Rose is a Rose by any other name. Whether you (or others) like to admit it or not, a person who cannot hear normally is hearing impaired...period. We can wish it away, deny it or whatever but it is still there. We are missing the full use of a sense. I equate this concept (of denial) to looking at the world through a broken prism.

Somebody blind would not even lower themselves to such inane remarks about being insulted that they are being called blind. They know it and they deal with it.

This acknowledgement of "hearing impairement" doesn't imply in any shape or form any less intrinsic worth compared to one who can hear. This is where the real battle for the deaf community and why this gets all tangled up with heated emotions and egos and whatnot.

As for wishing that the hearing world will bother learning sign on a regular basis, is really absurd. It isn't going to happen. Sign is another language and it is hard enough for most adults to learn another language like spanish let alone sign.

Audism is simply a label by some to use as a "weapon" against the hearing world. It is divisive and doesn't bring the deaf closer to the hearing world but rather drives it away.

The problem with the term "hearing impaired" is that it focuses on the loss and does not include the many capabilities that the Deaf have. It identifies the person by a deficit, as being less than. It is a term that describes the medical view of deafness, not the cultural view. It limits the identity of the person to hearing loss.

No. Blind do not object to being called "blind". Neither do Deaf object to being call "deaf". But blind do object to being called visually impaired, and Deaf object to being called "hearing impaired". Why do we as hearing people have some need to pretty up the language? Deaf is not an insulting term to the Deaf--but hearies think it is so they say "hearing impaired". That is because they are ignorant about what it means to be Deaf. Hearing Impaired minimizes the life experience of deafness. Makes it less important.

As for the word "audism": As a hearie, I am not offended by the use of the word by the culturally Deaf toward the hearing population. I have only been aware that is is used in the cases that the hearing population thinks that they are responsible for dictating the language, the culture, and the education of the deaf. It is used to discribe the patronizing hearie that refuses to take the perspective of the deaf person into consideration. It is used for the narrowminded, and for those that are not willing to learn and give value to an opinion that did not come from the hearing world. Frankly, it is a word that even I have used to describe the type of hearing person that I have no patience with and no tolerance for. Perhaps the book definition includes the use of Deaf to hearing, hearing to Deaf, and Deaf to deaf, but the book definition is not always what happens in practice.

I have never known a Deaf person to describle another deaf person as "audist". The term I have seen used most often when describing a deaf person who is more culturally hearing is "hearing think". (Translated from the ASL). And, not by the way, a compliment!

To me, Deaf does not just describe a hearing loss. It tells me much more. It tells me how that person perceives things, how they see the world. It tells me that their world is visual, and that their language paints pictures. It tells me not just what that person doesn't have (hearing), but also what they do have. It not only tells me what that person is, but a lot about who that person is. Deaf is a term of respect for all that person is.

Just my opinion!

05-20-2006, 09:38 AM	#191 (permalink)
Sweetmind Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 788	Thank you Mookie, I have mentioned about it in DeafNotes.. People do not listen us very well that is a huge serious problem nowadays. I will always miss him and have met him in person. He s so awesome and cool guy. Also he can speak like me. I know deaf people can do anything except hear. It s proven already but people chose not to listen to us. I am wondering if they are too afraid that Deaf people are successful so they pushed us away from deaf and hearing community because we cannot hear or speak perfect. UMMPPHH!! Thanks! Sweetmind __________________ "Tell the mothers I said, "Don't try to change your child; you are the adult, you bear the burden of change" - Harlan Lane

05-20-2006, 10:14 AM	#199 (permalink)
Sweetmind Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 788	I strongly believe MOOKIE proves you wrong since Deaf people can do anything except hear. Audism people are being so inferior themselves since they dont really accept their deafness or our deafness. They are actually to make it looks like that Deaf people cant cant cant cant because we do not wear any devices. JEEZ!!! No wonder people thinks Deaf people cant do anything unless We must have or have to have the HEAR and SPEAK only in hearing community that 's where it comes from AUDISM people who told a big lies about us.. They are too afraid that we have already proved that we Deaf people are successful in this diverse world not in hearing world. Thanks! Sweetmind __________________ "Tell the mothers I said, "Don't try to change your child; you are the adult, you bear the burden of change" - Harlan Lane

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05-08-2006, 09:01 AM	#182 (permalink)
Eve Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Paradise Posts: 1,518	I find it interesting that those who do not seem intelligent enough to debate appropriately often resort to name-calling and belittling their opponents because they can't seem to muster up adequate discussion matter. Oh, and I really thought the topic here was the term "AUDISM"....not the gally prez or "salad tossing".

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Mookie Guest Posts: n/a	Hey Rockdrummer, There is a link for Audism.... I bet that you are not aware of its website....

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Rose Immortal Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,254	I've looked at some of those articles and unless I'm missing it, I didn't see anything that addressed unfair assumptions made against those who are hearing, or who were born hearing and only became dhh later in life. It seems to me that ANY judgment against a person for things not of the "content of their character" is inappropriate...