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Unread 05-02-2006, 03:19 PM   #151 (permalink)
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How come you are not at Gally? You need to collect information from Better President Now Protest. You need to learn more about audism. I noticed that you have not discussed much since Gally protest...
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Unread 05-02-2006, 04:45 PM   #152 (permalink)
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Unread 05-02-2006, 04:47 PM   #153 (permalink)
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Unread 05-02-2006, 08:46 PM   #154 (permalink)
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I think I am doing a great job not responding to all this....

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Unread 05-02-2006, 08:56 PM   #155 (permalink)
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Oh come on! Like I said the Deaf feared him in late 19th century and the early 20th century! He was the most despised person in the Deaf community for his paternalistic and audist attitude.

When I found out about him, my first report was that he was a hitler born before the real hitler was born.... he wanted to erase deaf from the human race. He sounded like GOD... he wanted to wipe us off the face of Earth....
He sounded like a terrorist!

Sorry, oral deafies here, I agree with DI here. Bell isn't a hero at all. There were deaf people who could speak before Bell, too, so he didn't pioneer that. Erasing deaf people from the human race is impossible, since there are so many possible causes of deafness. I don't even think that deafness is something to be hated. It is the most interesting of all conditions (to me at least).

Also, DUT is an interesting choice of terminology. What do you call a hearing person who fully accepts Deaf Culture and is fluent in ASL? Whatever it is, I try to be one. I'm anti-audists and will NEVER force deaf people to become "hearing".

I am a hearing person, but I despise oralism, too. Speech should be a choice. I actually agree with your points here. Bell did use his money and fame to try to erase deaf people and force them to speak. Speech should never be forced on deaf people. Hearing people should be required to learn to sign, I think... (I do.) English literacy is more important for deaf people, not speech.
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Unread 05-02-2006, 09:04 PM   #156 (permalink)
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Sorry, oral deafies here, I agree with DI here. Bell isn't a hero at all. There were deaf people who could speak before Bell, too, so he didn't pioneer that. Erasing deaf people from the human race is impossible, since there are so many possible causes of deafness. I don't even think that deafness is something to be hated. It is the most interesting of all conditions (to me at least).

Also, DUT is an interesting choice of terminology. What do you call a hearing person who fully accepts Deaf Culture and is fluent in ASL? Whatever it is, I try to be one. I'm anti-audists and will NEVER force deaf people to become "hearing".

I am a hearing person, but I despise oralism, too. Speech should be a choice. I actually agree with your points here. Bell did use his money and fame to try to erase deaf people and force them to speak. Speech should never be forced on deaf people. Hearing people should be required to learn to sign, I think... (I do.) English literacy is more important for deaf people, not speech.

I definately agree Bell was a terrorist to all deaf people and I am so sick of reading how great he was with deaf people..... oh please, he didn't even help helen keller much less the deaf community. A.G. Bell is no good the only thing I find good about that man is some of his qoutes but not all of them.

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Unread 05-02-2006, 09:08 PM   #157 (permalink)
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Gosh, I hope it's not the second one
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Unread 05-02-2006, 09:16 PM   #158 (permalink)
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I hope its not either but then again it could be both together.

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Unread 05-02-2006, 09:38 PM   #159 (permalink)
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Hey - you do not have to make excuses for hearing people... they knew and still are ignorant. They make more excuses... I have seen it all the last 50 years.

I don't make excuses. I get mad at hearing people who ignore and/or are unwilling to learn about deaf people. There's no excuse for that.
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Unread 05-02-2006, 10:03 PM   #160 (permalink)
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I don't make excuses. I get mad at hearing people who ignore and/or are unwilling to learn about deaf people. There's no excuse for that.
What will you do if a black person gets mad at you for not taking a black history course? And do not care much about their history?
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Unread 05-02-2006, 10:20 PM   #161 (permalink)
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What will you do if a black person gets mad at you for not taking a black history course? And do not care much about their history?
I will tell you that I took such a course in high school and have some black friends. What does this have to do with deafness? Deaf people need to be accomodated for in order to function; most black people don't.
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Unread 05-02-2006, 10:26 PM   #162 (permalink)
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I will tell you that I took such a course in high school and have some black friends. What does this have to do with deafness? Deaf people need to be accomodated for in order to function; most black people don't.
Well I feel like you left out some other important things than just deafness. What about other disabilities?
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Well I feel like you left out some other important things than just deafness. What about other disabilities?
You obviously are unaware that I have disabilities myself. While I am hearing, I have autism and ADHD. I have gone through a lot of therapy to treat the problems associated with them and take medicine for them, but I still must live with them. One reason I am drawn to cultures other than mainstream hearing white culture is because other cultures tend to accept me for who I am better. (ESPECIALLY Deaf Culture since I was willing to learn ASL.) In white hearing culture, though, I just enjoy being deviant and don't give a care what mainstreamers think about me.
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You obviously are unaware that I have disabilities myself. While I am hearing, I have autism and ADHD. I have gone through a lot of therapy to treat the problems associated with them and take medicine for them, but I still must live with them. One reason I am drawn to cultures other than mainstream hearing white culture is because other cultures tend to accept me for who I am better. (ESPECIALLY Deaf Culture since I was willing to learn ASL.) In white hearing culture, though, I just enjoy being deviant and don't give a care what mainstreamers think about me.

I have ADHD and Autism too, but then again I have other disabilites like CP and some medical ones like RADS and seizure problems. I have never been treated for my ADHD and Autism, because my mom refused to understand I have them, I was abused all my life and I am trying hard to do theraphy. I love the deaf culture because I was abused far enough that my mom made me deaf(meaning she boxed my ears with a wooden paddle and the paddle is still around) I am on medication for my RADS, and Seizure problems, but my CP is mild. I have read around that there is surgery for CP, but I don't wish to have the surgery at all.

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Unread 05-03-2006, 08:06 AM   #165 (permalink)
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English and ASL are separate languages so the meanings vary...thanks
Thank you DI. Where can I find an ASL dictionary that includes word definitions?
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Unread 05-03-2006, 08:09 AM   #166 (permalink)
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Hey Rockdrummer,How come you are not at Gally? You need to collect information from Better President Now Protest. You need to learn more about audism. I noticed that you have not discussed much since Gally protest...
I am not at gally because I have a job and live in Illinois. I don't quite understand your second statement. I am learning about audism quite well here thank you. My posting or lack thereof and the Gally protest have nothing to do with eachother.
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Unread 05-03-2006, 10:38 AM   #167 (permalink)
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English and ASL are separate languages so the meanings vary...thanks
In the case of the word ignorant, they don't vary... I did some research and found several ASL dictionaries and found the meaning is the same in this case. But I thank you for pointing that out because I was not aware that ASL and English words that are the same may carry different definitions. I have not come across this yet but I am quite sure what you are saying is correct. Thank you
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Unread 05-03-2006, 10:32 PM   #168 (permalink)
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Thank you DI. Where can I find an ASL dictionary that includes word definitions?
oops, never mind...
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Bumping this up hoping for a Mookie sighting....
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I am not at gally because I have a job and live in Illinois. I don't quite understand your second statement. I am learning about audism quite well here thank you. My posting or lack thereof and the Gally protest have nothing to do with eachother.
Gally BPN Pix

You need to get your butts out of Illinois and drive to Gally campus and meet.

Did you know that Oliver Sacks went Gallaudet (College) University during the DPN period in 1988 and have met lots of deafies even though he did not know any sign language at that time.

I hope you recieves my good answer?
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Unread 05-04-2006, 03:15 PM   #171 (permalink)
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You need to get your butts out of Illinois and drive to Gally campus and meet.

Did you know that Oliver Sacks went Gallaudet (College) University during the DPN period in 1988 and have met lots of deafies even though he did not know any sign language at that time.

I hope you recieves my good answer?
Got it Mookie, thanks for the clearification. I can't get out of here cause then who will pay my bills and take care of my family. Plus I am a hearing individual and I know that there are deaf Audist's out there that would not take to kindly to me.
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Got it Mookie, thanks for the clearification. I can't get out of here cause then who will pay my bills and take care of my family. Plus I am a hearing individual and I know that there are deaf Audist's out there that would not take to kindly to me.
Oliver Sacks surviced at DPN since he is a hearie. What makes you think that Deaf Audists would hurt you?
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Unread 05-04-2006, 03:23 PM   #173 (permalink)
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Oliver Sacks surviced at DPN since he is a hearie. What makes you think that Deaf Audists would hurt you?

Isn't that what they always do? is try to hurt them?...
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Isn't that what they always do? is try to hurt them?...
I think you misunderstood. How do you know if they would hurt you as an oralist? Don't you know that there are some deaf oralists as the Gally students?
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Unread 05-04-2006, 03:37 PM   #175 (permalink)
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I think you misunderstood. How do you know if they would hurt you as an oralist? Don't you know that there are some deaf oralists as the Gally students?

I haven't been to Gally, so I dunno, I'm just asking
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I haven't been to Gally, so I dunno, I'm just asking
One of the days, you will visit there. Did you know that Gally accepts hearing students who must be fluent in ASL? Who knows if your kids may be interested in any major at Gally....
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One of the days, you will visit there. Did you know that Gally accepts hearing students who must be fluent in ASL? Who knows if your kids may be interested in any major at Gally....

We'll see won't we?...
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Unread 05-05-2006, 07:57 AM   #178 (permalink)
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Oliver Sacks surviced at DPN since he is a hearie. What makes you think that Deaf Audists would hurt you?
I said they would not take to kindly to me. I didn't say I was afraid they would hurt me. If anyone lays a hand on me they are subject to a pounding or they will become the new head salad tosser at their local jail. If you want an explanation of a "salad tosser" just let me know.

One thing that I am starting to notice is there ARE DEAF AUDIST's out there. I was told earlier on in this thread that the word was not used like that in the deaf community. Then I asked (I believe it was DI) what word would be used to describe a deafie that treats other deafies or hearies the way an audist treats deafies. I never go an answer. So perhaps the word audist and it's definition are approrpriate here. The deafies that shun other deafies for being oral, or getting CI or shun hearing people are audists by definition. I make that statement knowing Tom's intent and definition and without anyone else comming up with a word for it.
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I said they would not take to kindly to me. I didn't say I was afraid they would hurt me. If anyone lays a hand on me they are subject to a pounding or they will become the new head salad tosser at their local jail. If you want an explanation of a "salad tosser" just let me know.

One thing that I am starting to notice is there ARE DEAF AUDIST's out there. I was told earlier on in this thread that the word was not used like that in the deaf community. Then I asked (I believe it was DI) what word would be used to describe a deafie that treats other deafies or hearies the way an audist treats deafies. I never go an answer. So perhaps the word audist and it's definition are approrpriate here. The deafies that shun other deafies for being oral, or getting CI or shun hearing people are audists by definition. I make that statement knowing Tom's intent and definition and without anyone else comming up with a word for it.
Ha..ha..oh pleaz...

What makes you think of that salad tosser would command his elite Deaf group to kick your rears?

Come on, I am the white deaf dude from the Great Plains who resided in the full black neighborhood for 8 years. There was no salad tosser of the black elite gang would kick me out in Northeast/Southeast of Washignton DC.

Nice try...

BTW, why dont you ask Oliver Sacks about his experience with DPN? You may ask him if he may have attacked by the Salad Tosser.
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Ha..ha..oh pleaz...What makes you think of that salad tosser would command his elite Deaf group to kick your rears? Come on, I am the white deaf dude from the Great Plains who resided in the full black neighborhood for 8 years. There was no salad tosser of the black elite gang would kick me out in Northeast/Southeast of Washignton DC.Nice try...BTW, why dont you ask Oliver Sacks about his experience with DPN? You may ask him if he may have attacked by the Salad Tosser.
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Ok. Now it's clear you don't understand my meaning of salad tosser. I will send you a pm with an explanation because it's not appropriate for this thread.
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