Frisky Feline

I can see there are four groups with same issue of hearing loss but they all have culture clash.

how funny is that?

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drphil

When ones classifies conditions-DEAFness as ideology- " Sociology-culture"-"never ending"!
Laughing matters?

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Frisky Feline

Should I add "DEAF" into 5 cateory?

drphil

When ones classifies conditions-DEAFness as ideology- " Sociology-culture"-"never ending"!
Laughing matters?

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deafdyke

the only "culture clashes I see are with AG Bell style oral deaf and late deafened folks who are really into HLAA and ALDA.
Thing is............what the hell does oral deaf even MEAN?!? Orallly skilled? Many if not most dhh as kids folks are orally skilled. Very few are voice off.

DeafBadger

Maybe I should say I was "mainstreamed without sign language?"

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dereksbicycles

Deaf ferrets would like to know what all those groups are all about. Either we are deaf or not.

Bottesini

I am joining the deaf ferrets.

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drphil

Odd: haven't had anything to do AGBell,HLAA or ALDA- have I missed something?

Aside: I have been involved with Canadian Hearing Society/Toronto re Coping/dealing with Hearing loss classes since 1992 to 2006.

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Smithtr

yes I investigation it AGbell still, I aware it CHS,

I suspect AGBell still on,well I wlll research find lots find AGbell! area, It is pretty on CAD, Anytime Canadian?

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AlleyCat

Yes, there are a lot of different perspectives.

deafdyke

HLAA and ALDA might actually be more to your liking. Not that we don't want you here.....but they tend to focus on hearing health style stuff....which i think might be more to your liking.

deafwelder

I wore hearings aids of increasing size from age 13-34. Now basically deaf, just very low tones. I don't know ASL, still talk, read lips. Am I a weirdo because I might fit into more than 1 classification? Too deaf, but not deaf enough is what some people might call it.

ambrosia

I think it's pretty sad. You'd think it's be something to unify us....apparently that is not the case.

More than once I've been out shopping and had a very excited Deaf person spot my hearing aid and start signing to me. Unfortunately I couldn't sign back, Ima work on fixing that!!! There is actually so few of us walking around in any given town that it is very exciting to find a possible kindred soul But then we get on here on.......and now I have Monty Python quotes going through my head again (it's my fav movie) and we start to argue and bicker over who killed who.....okay maybe not that quote but we def argue and bicker.

Frisky Feline

This is what I think of when it has to be something with the attitude issues when it comes to treating hearing loss. That is what i found it sad as well.

caz12

half my life perfect hearing other half profound deaf.it would be nice be able sign with more people.

drphil

I believe it is safe to say-a small device: Cochlear Implant has had a huge impact on how some DEAF persons "deal with" the fact of DEAFness.

This didn't happen with Hearing aids which don't help the "DEAF".

Discussed in the book: Rebuilt-Michael Chorost, Houghton Mifflin 2005.

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soutthpaw

X2, I have asked before why DrPhil spends so much time posting here on a Culturally Deaf Forum when the Culturally hearing forms for people with hearing loss probably outnumber Deaf ones by 100 to 1 or more

Gotta give him credit though as he is one of the most successful trolls I have ever seen, and I feed him with my responses

dereksbicycles

My girlfriend's boss has a 15 years old deaf Pug. I'm sure that the dog got deaf late in life. I don't know of many Pugs that were born deaf to start with. That Pug seems to be enjoying life. It should not really matter who got deaf at 10 years old or at 40 years old. Life is what it is right now.

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A "fact" which would be more "interesting" and "accurate" except that there are far more people (1000:1) who have "hearing loss" which makes them audiologically "hard of hearing" and thus "candidates" for "hearing aids" but not "CI".

Also your statement indicates you clearly haven't done a lot of "reading" or "research" on the "impact" that hearing aids have/had on those who "have hearing loss" in terms of "culture", "language", "sociology", "employment", and any other number of "facets of life".

It's also "important" to "remember" that "percentage wise" only a small percentage of "hard of hearing" or "deaf" people are "suitable" to "receive" a "CI". As such - HAs have actually had a much more wide reaching effect and impact percentage wise than CIs.



(Btw - look, I can randomly use "quotes" too !!)

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Bottesini

But it's so scary!

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deafdyke

You owe me a new monitor lady!!!!!!!
And there are audilogically deaf people who benfit from HAs you know.

Anij

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It was time to clean your monitor anyway

Yup, I know plently of audiologically deaf who are HA users.

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drphil

It was pointed way back in the 90s re Cochlear Implants has had an effect on the "Deaf community" vs Hearing Aids.

The DEAF as such would not benefit from Hearing Aids- assuming "loss in excess 105 DB" but might/can benefit IF SUITABLE to a Cochlear Implant. This why Harlan Lane et al claimed CI were "instruments of genocide to the Deaf community". That claim was never made re Hearing aids which only "increase sound". aside: my direct experience with my Phonak since the mid 60s till December 20, 2006- the day I became bilateral DEAF.

To me DEAFness-one doesn't HEAR anything -EVEN with a Hearing aid. aside my direct experience.

It appears the inclusion of "audiological hearing problems are now classified as "deaf". Presumably to increase numbers. Deaf Militants- math?

As for how many DEAF adults were reviewed at Sunnybrook/Toronto since 1984- 3000 with 1000 suitable for Implantation. Of that group 18 -unfortunately the Implants were unsuccessful. statistics- last year patients meeting.

Another discussion in Sociology

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soutthpaw

WOW! YOU REALLY ARE THAT DENSE? YOU JUST DON'T GET IT!.. I and others have explained the difference multiple times to you. You are a HATER. you, like so many other hearies are bigoted and continue to spread your hatred of ASL and Deaf culture to promote Audism, Oralism and anti sign language bias. You are a sad TROLL who should quit posting here! You obviously don't care that we have been fighting your discriminatory views of deafness for hundreds of years...
We are not Deaf Militants, We are Culturally Deaf and have Deaf pride!!! Go on any Culture forum say an African American forum and tell them they need to act White and bleach their skin and hair and not respect their culture and that Kwanza, Ethnic dress music and customs should be banned etc. Because if we are all the same and are not minorities then life will be easier and better for all! Furk You DrPhil!!! you can kiss my THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING WHEN YOU ACCUSE US OF BEING DEAF MILITANTS AND WANTING TO PROTECT OUR CULTURE AND WAY OF LIFE AND LANGUAGE!!!!!!!

You are hating because you cannot accept your own hearing loss obviously. You appear to come across here as severely depressed and angry person...

If it was not for needing to constantly protect other people who read this forum from your constant misinformation I would put you on my ignore list... Personally I am reporting you for trolling and encourage others to do the same and insist the moderators Ban you from AllDeaf.

A simple search of AD reveals 392 (THREE HUNDRED AND NINETY TWO) posts that you use the term deaf militants in referring to us "The Deaf"

Jolie77

It's true that CI did have an effect on the Deaf Community when it first became widespread in the 90's. It's not because of CI vs HA. The reason Harlan Lane stated that it is a genocide to the Deaf community is because a lot of CI recipients back then perceived it as a "cure" for hearing loss. Little they were under-educated about it in general. It is a genocide because they would drop the attitude of "Hey, I can hear. I don't need to use sign language. I'm perfect now" only to realize that they still need the sign language to further their advancement. That's why I emphasize that even if you're a CI recipient, you still need to have the attitude and mentality of being Deaf because you still are deaf no matter what.

Deaf Militants, really? I'm curious how did you get to come up with that?

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soutthpaw

To follow up on joliee77's comments, it was not the CI that was at issue, it was the hearing medical professionals and ci companies approach to marketing an promoting the CI that enraged the Deaf community.
Main issues were
CI will cure deafness
CI is like normal hearing
Downplaying the risks of invasive and elective surgical proceedures
For CI to be effective, you must not use sign language with a person who has a CI or when using one
CI implantation of infants and children and probhibiting the use of ASL.
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The latter 2 points are the exact same argument Oralists and Audists have ust for the last 200 years... yeat 200 years of Deaf testimony, life experience and culture have proven this to be a lie and NOT in the best intrest of those who are deqaf

drphil

Isn't the name of this forum AllDeaf.com. I am still DEAF.

From my direct experience: MY Implant does NOT cure DEAFness- real easy to test just disconnect- real quiet.
I do NOT have normal hearing with my Implant.
The surgeon explained the risks of the operation using a computer screen. That was 5 years ago. I easily survived-went swimming 2 weeks after the operation.
Whether ones knows/learns ASL et al has absolutely NO bearing on the operation of an Implant.

As for babies/children re Implantation-no experience

To the best of my knowledge Cochlear Implants were NOT around 200 years ago. nor were Hearing Aids-either

As for the supposition re SOME Deaf person re ASL et al-no comment. One's choice in life-just like being_Voice off!
Whether a DEAF person "accepts deafness as culture"- sociological supposition - is one's choice. Which is a separate "issue" if one "considers Cochlear implant". It is correct -NOT everyone can use an Implant. Thus the "rejection rate". aside: Sunnybrook/Toronto-2000 out of 3000 -since 1984 till last year. Patients meeting last year. Are actual facts irrelevant?

Not sure what the term " deaf attitude/mentality" encompasses?

At the moment still bilateral DEAF since December 20, 2006.

As for term" deaf Militants" could there be any here?

More discussion "culture-Sociology".

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dereksbicycles

I would not mind telling other people that my friend used to have a deaf ferret. I would feel weird telling them DEAF ferret. People will wonder why I need to mention that the ferret is DEAF!!!

soutthpaw

I will refer to my signature line from now on. You just don't get it and I cannot even make sense out of this rambling you posted...
Also, I am sure no one here gives a rats a$$ how many people did or did not get a CI at Sunnybrook..

By the way, bluntness in communication is another characteristic of Deaf Culture and you have worn out my patience of censoring my comments for hearies...

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Originally Posted by soutthpaw WOW! YOU REALLY ARE THAT DENSE? YOU JUST DON'T GET IT!.. You are a HATER. you, like so many other hearies are bigoted and continue to spread your hatred of ASL and Deaf culture to promote Audism, Oralism and anti sign language bias... 392 posts that you use the term deaf militants in referring to us "The Deaf" We are not Deaf Militants, We are Culturally Deaf and have Deaf pride!!!

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