Wheelchairs are SO COOL. - Page 2

CSign · 04-28-2012, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kellycat

I wonder if it's the teachers saying students should go online, or students copping out of doing actual work of finding a person, using their new (and not skillful) ASL and having a conversation. As a language teacher, I know that some of my colleagues WOULD cop out and be lazy and do that. But most language teachers I know do see the value in actual, authentic contact with the people who use the language I'm teaching.

I highly doubt ASL teachers are telling their students to go online to improve their ASL skills.

CSign · 04-28-2012, 10:03 AM

My teacher is Deaf, and she's encouraged people to
Seek out information through the Internet, library etc., but she's never told students to do it for anything other than informational purposes.

Jane B. · 04-28-2012, 10:38 AM

This is actually not a response to a certain person or post but about where I come from.

I live in as small town in Southern Illinois. Back in the 1980's I first thought to look into sign language. I took a beginning course through the local Jr. College twice (different years) neither time did I make any contacts with a convenient schedule to get together to practice or get to know anyone that already used it. Both times I was the only person in the class with any hearing loss (left side gone, HA in right and lip reading). Most were taking it for their language credit and in one there was a mother & son taking it because of a friend of the boy that used it. The instructor was one of I think it was a couple on staff that were hearing. The college had ordered "The Joy of Signing" without consulting those that were going to be teaching using it. The one class was particularly bad about the amount of changes from what was in the book that was given orally. Thus, my problem was understanding and taking notes at the same time! We did have vocabulary quizes and the one that I did the best on was after a weekend where I had taken my things along to our church camp when we stayed over during preparations for an event and a gal took the book and gave the words to me in random order using the illustrations in the text book for what she was supposed to do with her hands. I think the advantage of that over practice with a mirror alone was not know what was coming in what order.

With that experience I have not been using it and have forgotten 99% of what i did know.

Since then I have seen very, very little use of sign when out and about. And it has been literally years since I have seen anyone using sign locally!

How many of those trying to learn now are in this same situation and thus asking here?

soutthpaw · 05-02-2012, 12:32 PM

These wheel(tracked)chairs are really cool though... ATV Wheelchair...
Ultimate All-Terrain Wheelchair - Action TrackChair
Due to ADA you can use them pretty much anywhere such as national parks etc. It's cool that it can open up a whole new world for WC users..

MissLady · 05-10-2012, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lily7

I am sure I am not the only one that has noticed the surge in teenagers, mostly girls, who "want to make Deaf friends"... probably thanks to that TV show, Switched at Birth. It's just annoying to me, to seek out Deaf people to be friends with for the "cool factor" - because it never lasts long. We are not a novelty, we are human beings who just happen to be deaf. I would never want anyone to seek my friendship just because I was deaf and had a cool language/culture.

Novelty only lasts so long. That is why it bothers me when people seek out Deaf people to be friends with because "it's cool".

I am with you on this one, Lily. The whole Switched at Birth thing drives me crazy! I am in an ITP and it seems to me that a lot of the Beginner level students are simply OBSESSSSSSED with that show. They really think that is what being deaf is all about. I would say 99% are completely shocked when they actually start learning that ASL is a language and that you actually have to interact with Deaf people to get the language and the culture.

It pains me to think that people seek out Deaf people because they think it's cool or trendy. I myself am hearing. I did not come to the Deaf world because I thought it was cool. At the same time, I have witnessed events where I was just in utter shock that people think it would be so cool to be deaf or HOH. Those people don't seem to understand that Deaf people can't just turn on their voices like hearing people can when the Deaf event is over. Their deafness is a part of their identity. I know some of my Deaf friends get pissy about that because those people never take the time to understand what it feels like to be the odd one out in a conversation when everyone is voicing and not signing (how ****ing rude), or get pissed off when they can't understand a conversation and demand that the Deaf slow down or use PSE to make it easier for them.

Those people mentioned above are too proud to even try to become part of the Deaf world. They want the deaf world to come to them, not they to become part of it. I think maybe the hearing ASL teachers are the problem by not requiring that hearing ASL students frequent Deaf events; I think one of the best things that a teacher can do is to encourage students to join the community that uses the language, and get to know the people.

That being said, sometimes it is hard to go when you only know how to FS your name and say what your favorite color is. But at least make the effort! Go and attempt it! Maybe the teachers are being unreasonable to ask students to ask such complex questions (that undoubtedly have complex, long answers) when beginning students have such limited sign vocabulary. It's a conundrum.

Kalima01 · 05-11-2012, 02:35 AM

I'm grateful that my current lecturer in Auslan is quick to let the class know about any Auslan related events coming up. She's a member of WAAD (Western Australian Association for the Deaf).

I also have a class mate who works in a special needs school so she knows of some social events e.g. Mary Poppins Auslan Interpreted etc are coming up.

**Smithtr** · 05-12-2012, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MissLady

I am with you on this one, Lily. The whole Switched at Birth thing drives me crazy! I am in an ITP and it seems to me that a lot of the Beginner level students are simply OBSESSSSSSED with that show. They really think that is what being deaf is all about. I would say 99% are completely shocked when they actually start learning that ASL is a language and that you actually have to interact with Deaf people to get the language and the culture.

It pains me to think that people seek out Deaf people because they think it's cool or trendy. I myself am hearing. I did not come to the Deaf world because I thought it was cool. At the same time, I have witnessed events where I was just in utter shock that people think it would be so cool to be deaf or HOH. Those people don't seem to understand that Deaf people can't just turn on their voices like hearing people can when the Deaf event is over. Their deafness is a part of their identity. I know some of my Deaf friends get pissy about that because those people never take the time to understand what it feels like to be the odd one out in a conversation when everyone is voicing and not signing (how ****ing rude), or get pissed off when they can't understand a conversation and demand that the Deaf slow down or use PSE to make it easier for them.

Those people mentioned above are too proud to even try to become part of the Deaf world. They want the deaf world to come to them, not they to become part of it. I think maybe the hearing ASL teachers are the problem by not requiring that hearing ASL students frequent Deaf events; I think one of the best things that a teacher can do is to encourage students to join the community that uses the language, and get to know the people.

That being said, sometimes it is hard to go when you only know how to FS your name and say what your favorite color is. But at least make the effort! Go and attempt it! Maybe the teachers are being unreasonable to ask students to ask such complex questions (that undoubtedly have complex, long answers) when beginning students have such limited sign vocabulary. It's a conundrum.

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drphil · 06-27-2012, 08:22 AM

Not sure how being "confined" to a wheelchair can be considered "cool/trendy"?
To each their own-"distorted thinking"!

Lau2046 · 06-27-2012, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MissLady

I am with you on this one, Lily. The whole Switched at Birth thing drives me crazy! I am in an ITP and it seems to me that a lot of the Beginner level students are simply OBSESSSSSSED with that show. They really think that is what being deaf is all about. I would say 99% are completely shocked when they actually start learning that ASL is a language and that you actually have to interact with Deaf people to get the language and the culture.

It pains me to think that people seek out Deaf people because they think it's cool or trendy. I myself am hearing. I did not come to the Deaf world because I thought it was cool. At the same time, I have witnessed events where I was just in utter shock that people think it would be so cool to be deaf or HOH. Those people don't seem to understand that Deaf people can't just turn on their voices like hearing people can when the Deaf event is over. Their deafness is a part of their identity. I know some of my Deaf friends get pissy about that because those people never take the time to understand what it feels like to be the odd one out in a conversation when everyone is voicing and not signing (how ****ing rude), or get pissed off when they can't understand a conversation and demand that the Deaf slow down or use PSE to make it easier for them.

Those people mentioned above are too proud to even try to become part of the Deaf world. They want the deaf world to come to them, not they to become part of it. I think maybe the hearing ASL teachers are the problem by not requiring that hearing ASL students frequent Deaf events; I think one of the best things that a teacher can do is to encourage students to join the community that uses the language, and get to know the people.

That being said, sometimes it is hard to go when you only know how to FS your name and say what your favorite color is. But at least make the effort! Go and attempt it! Maybe the teachers are being unreasonable to ask students to ask such complex questions (that undoubtedly have complex, long answers) when beginning students have such limited sign vocabulary. It's a conundrum.

I don't know why you think this is unique to students learning ASL. Mixing with the target group is also a requirement to learn Italian, Spanish, Chinese, or any language.

MissLady · 07-03-2012, 11:38 PM

I don't recall saying that it's unique to ASL.... We learn languages by using them, reinforcing and practicing. That's why the teachers should be asking their students to engage and interact with their respective local Deaf communities.

04-28-2012, 10:03 AM	#32 (permalink)
CSign Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Best Coast, USA Posts: 3,194	My teacher is Deaf, and she's encouraged people to Seek out information through the Internet, library etc., but she's never told students to do it for anything other than informational purposes. Oceanbreeze likes this.

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Kalima01 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Perth, WA Posts: 260	I'm grateful that my current lecturer in Auslan is quick to let the class know about any Auslan related events coming up. She's a member of WAAD (Western Australian Association for the Deaf). I also have a class mate who works in a special needs school so she knows of some social events e.g. Mary Poppins Auslan Interpreted etc are coming up. __________________ When you're taught to love everyone, to love your enemies, then what value does that place on love?

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drphil Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Toronto Ontario Posts: 4,117	Not sure how being "confined" to a wheelchair can be considered "cool/trendy"? To each their own-"distorted thinking"! __________________ Get Real:Implanted Sunnybrook/Toronto -Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

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04-28-2012, 10:38 AM	#33 (permalink)
Jane B. Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 960	This is actually not a response to a certain person or post but about where I come from. I live in as small town in Southern Illinois. Back in the 1980's I first thought to look into sign language. I took a beginning course through the local Jr. College twice (different years) neither time did I make any contacts with a convenient schedule to get together to practice or get to know anyone that already used it. Both times I was the only person in the class with any hearing loss (left side gone, HA in right and lip reading). Most were taking it for their language credit and in one there was a mother & son taking it because of a friend of the boy that used it. The instructor was one of I think it was a couple on staff that were hearing. The college had ordered "The Joy of Signing" without consulting those that were going to be teaching using it. The one class was particularly bad about the amount of changes from what was in the book that was given orally. Thus, my problem was understanding and taking notes at the same time! We did have vocabulary quizes and the one that I did the best on was after a weekend where I had taken my things along to our church camp when we stayed over during preparations for an event and a gal took the book and gave the words to me in random order using the illustrations in the text book for what she was supposed to do with her hands. I think the advantage of that over practice with a mirror alone was not know what was coming in what order. With that experience I have not been using it and have forgotten 99% of what i did know. Since then I have seen very, very little use of sign when out and about. And it has been literally years since I have seen anyone using sign locally! How many of those trying to learn now are in this same situation and thus asking here?

05-02-2012, 12:32 PM	#34 (permalink)
soutthpaw Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 345	These wheel(tracked)chairs are really cool though... ATV Wheelchair... Ultimate All-Terrain Wheelchair - Action TrackChair Due to ADA you can use them pretty much anywhere such as national parks etc. It's cool that it can open up a whole new world for WC users..

07-03-2012, 11:38 PM	#40 (permalink)
MissLady Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 43	I don't recall saying that it's unique to ASL.... We learn languages by using them, reinforcing and practicing. That's why the teachers should be asking their students to engage and interact with their respective local Deaf communities.