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Unread 04-06-2012, 07:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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"Deaf and Dumb"?

I was doing a research on "Deaf and Dumb" and found an organization that advertises "Glasgow Society for the Education of Deaf and Dumb." Don't you guys think that is pretty offensive?

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Unread 04-06-2012, 08:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I was doing a research on "Deaf and Dumb" and found an organization that advertises "Glasgow Society for the Education of Deaf and Dumb." Don't you guys think that is pretty offensive?

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"Deaf and Dumb"?!? Isn't that really outdated? I mean, who still uses that term? (Besides my father, but he doesn't count.) Yeah, I take offense to that. I'm not dumb - even if I couldn't speak.
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Unread 04-06-2012, 09:34 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Unread 04-06-2012, 11:49 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Nah, Im not offensive at all...hearin ppl see deaf as dumb doesnt mean we're dumb. dont take it personal...doesnt mean anything.
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"Dumb" doesnt actually mean unintelligent it means mute, its just a really old term so dont take offence.
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Repeating old terms "dumb" just shows how "dumb" one is-these days. Reaction: ignore!
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Unread 04-07-2012, 08:13 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Free money! Be very offended! Then those who understand the history of the language can have plenty of funding for education.
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"Dumb" doesnt actually mean unintelligent it means mute, its just a really old term so dont take offence.
I take offense to it, but not because of the origins of the word. I understand the origins of the term "dumb". But, I am sensitive towards the word because I am constantly bullied and harassed, being called the "Deaf and Dumb girl" all the time - but those people who harass me mean the word "dumb" to mean unintelligent and stupid.

THAT is why I don't like the term. I am perfectly intelligent, thank you very much.
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No, you're not.
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Offended?....Damn right I would be offended...Deaf & Dumb is still being spoken/used today...and the last person that referred me as such got a tongue-lashing, and a little education. I even quizzed that person as to "why" a deaf person would be considered "dumb" also.....
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No, you're not.
Is that directed towards me? If so, what do you mean?
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My school used to be called "Western PA School for the Deaf and dumb". They removed "And Dumb" long time ago. Thank god it was long before my tenure at WPSD.

Hearing people's definition of dumb means can't talk verbally. If hearing people still think this way, they are just plain stupid.
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I do know what "dumb" means. I don't think anyone realizes that using the term "Deaf and Dumb" encourages mircoaggressions and mircoinsults. Every deaf person we have had met is a "mute"? Can they speak for themselves? What about hard of hearing and deaf people who have learned how to speak and lipread? Are they still "mute" or "dumb"? Why do people labeled them the term "deaf and dumb?"

How many of you guys know what the word "micro-aggression" means? I learned it from taking culturally diverse on theory and practice class. The definition of mirco-aggression is "brief, everyday exchanges that send denigrating messages" to a target group such as people of color, women, and gays (Sue et al,,2007). If a person is showing mirco-aggressions toward a gay person, it is often subtle in nature and can be manifested in the verbal, nonverbal, visual, or behavioral realm. The person might be done it intentionally or unintentionally (Sue et al., 2007).

Mircoaggressions are

1. tend to be subtle, unintentional, and indirect.
2. often occur in situations where there are alternative explanations
3. represent unconscious and ingrained biased beliefs and attitudes
4. are more likely to occur when people pretend not to notice differences, thereby denying that race, gender, or sexual orientation had anything to do with their actions (sue et al.,2007)

A person can be mircoinsult if she or he made comments or behaves that convey rudeness or insensitivity or demean a person's racial heritage identity, gender identity, or sexual orientation identity. How many people have done this? I believe that many of us have done it intentionally or unintentionally.

Sue, D.W., Bucceri,j.mLin,A,. nadal, K,. Torino, G. (2007). Racial microaggresions and the Asian American experience. Cultural Diversity and Ethnic Minority Psychology, 13, 72-81.
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I believe that a long time ago hearing people thought deaf people were not smart so they called them deaf and dumb. If some people still call us deaf and dumb, that's a prejudice against us.
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It would be more accurate to assert that any person "labeling DEAF persons-dumb" shows that person is in actual fact "dumb" for babbling nonsense!
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Macro aggression is more exciting.
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Can one interpolate from the experiences of some "Asian Americans" to the DEAF-world wide?

What would DEAF "Asian Americans" consider-concerning the above "study"?

A minor point as a DEAF Canadian why would the above be of any interest?

More discussions in Sociology.
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From the NAD.org website:


Deaf and Dumb -- A relic from the medieval English era, this is the granddaddy of all negative labels pinned on deaf and hard of hearing people. The Greek philosopher, Aristotle, pronounced us “deaf and dumb,” because he felt that deaf people were incapable of being taught, of learning, and of reasoned thinking. To his way of thinking, if a person could not use his/her voice in the same way as hearing people, then there was no way that this person could develop cognitive abilities. (Source: Deaf Heritage, by Jack Gannon, 1980)

In later years, “dumb” came to mean “silent.” This definition still persists, because that is how people see deaf people. The term is offensive to deaf and hard of hearing people for a number of reasons. One, deaf and hard of hearing people are by no means “silent” at all. They use sign language, lip-reading, vocalizations, and so on to communicate. Communication is not reserved for hearing people alone, and using one’s voice is not the only way to communicate. Two, “dumb” also has a second meaning: stupid. Deaf and hard of hearing people have encountered plenty of people who subscribe to the philosophy that if you cannot use your voice well, you don’t have much else “upstairs,” and have nothing going for you. Obviously, this is incorrect, ill-informed, and false. Deaf and hard of hearing people have repeatedly proved that they have much to contribute to the society at large.



In other countries, especially South Africa, that term is still used from what I've seen.
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No, you're not.

Not what?
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Not what?
Not called, "that deaf and dumb girl."

That's a little hearie who watched too much SAB.
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I believe that a long time ago hearing people thought deaf people were not smart so they called them deaf and dumb. If some people still call us deaf and dumb, that's a prejudice against us.
prejudice against deaf ppl are called audist and we face audism everyday.

I'd really be ashamed to be labeled as audist.. just like racist. We know how black ppl feel when they deal with racism.
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"Dumb" doesnt actually mean unintelligent it means mute, its just a really old term so dont take offence.
what if a person takes advantage of you b/c you're "mute"? I deal with that all the time and makes me so fookin angry..angry enough to destroy that person.
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I take offense to it, but not because of the origins of the word. I understand the origins of the term "dumb". But, I am sensitive towards the word because I am constantly bullied and harassed, being called the "Deaf and Dumb girl" all the time - but those people who harass me mean the word "dumb" to mean unintelligent and stupid.

THAT is why I don't like the term. I am perfectly intelligent, thank you very much.
WHERE on earth do you even live? Are you a time traveler from the 1800's?
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Not called, "that deaf and dumb girl."

That's a little hearie who watched too much SAB.
What is your problem? Not everyone is a faker, you know. I really am bullied and called "that deaf and dumb girl". Honestly, I don't have to explain myself, but I guess that I will.

When I was in 7th grade (I'm in 10th grade now), I had unilateral vocal chord paralysis. See this link for more information:

Vocal Cord Paralysis

I was unable to speak for around 7 or 8 months. I went through a lot of speech therapy and other medical therapies, until I finally had surgery to correct the problem. When I tried to speak, I couldn't for more than a second or two. When I could speak, my voice was very hoarse and unclear. After a while, I stopped voicing all together, because I couldn't, and when I could manage to voice for a few seconds, it sounded to other people quite weird and it caused me pain. I have breathing problems, too. I was constantly bullied about it. I was also hoh at the time. This is when people started calling me "that deaf and dumb girl" - because I was hoh, and because I couldn't speak. The name has stuck ever since, even though I can now speak somewhat. (Though I choose not to most of the time, due to lasting problems.)

This is why I am sensitive about the term "deaf and dumb" - because I am always being teased and tormented and called that. And people think that just because I am deaf, that I MUST be stupid, too - which I am NOT.

You can choose not to believe me, but I am telling the honest truth. I am NOT a faker.

Oh, and by the way, I don't even watch TV at all. I have other things to do besides watch TV. I've only seen two episodes of SAB, total. I don't watch anything on TV.
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and the term "dumb" was once PC...it just went bad just like the term retarded is doing now. People decide "oh this term/thingy has a bad rep, so let's try to change the name so it sounds nicer." Thus insistutions became developmental centers/mental hospitals.
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WHERE on earth do you even live? Are you a time traveler from the 1800's?
I live in Pennsylvania. No, I'm not a time traveler.
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“Knowing that we can be loved exactly as we are gives us all the best opportunity for growing into the healthiest of people.” ~ Fred Rogers

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I guess the only way to stop the these bullshit "faker" accusations is to have Alex meet every new member in person to verify they are indeed hoh or deaf.
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I am really disturbed by some of the replies here....what makes some of you think that MO is faking her deafness? By the kinds of questions she is asking?

Aren't we all supposed to be helping others instead of making accusations?
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Reflect on how "open the Deaf community really is"- by various comments here?
Would it make an "interesting" discussion in Sociology?
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