Marty Has Started to PEE in MY BEDROOM!!

whatdidyousay! · 01-11-2012, 03:18 PM

Marty peed in my bed and on the rug at the foot of my bed two times! He just started to do this a few days ago. I take him out enough and he will let me know if he need to do out by jumping up and down in front of the door! I had his urine tested to made sure he does not have an infection, and he does not have an urine infection. I was getting ready for bed last night and steps into urine in my bedroom again and Marty knew he was in trouble! He tried to hide so he know he is being a 'bad' doggie. .
I have notice that Marty been marking his territory around the condo and I am wondering if he is trying to do this in my bedroom too! I took his water bowl away around 8:00 PM last night hoping this would help but it did not! I could have Marty sleep in his crate , it used to be Finlay and big enough for Marty to move around. I am concerned he may bark or cry at night. A new guy had moved in upstairs and I do not know him and have no idea when he work or sleep. this is so odd that Marty would start peeing in the home when I had him so long. I got him in April 2011.

rockin'robin · 01-11-2012, 04:15 PM

Could it be the change of weather?....Have you had another dog or cat in ur bedroom lately?....Surely, something has spooked him to do this when he knows it's the wrong thing to do....Maybe catching Marty in the act, scolding him and putting him in the crate might work....

whatdidyousay! · 01-11-2012, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rockin'robin

Could it be the change of weather?....Have you had another dog or cat in ur bedroom lately?....Surely, something has spooked him to do this when he knows it's the wrong thing to do....Maybe catching Marty in the act, scolding him and putting him in the crate might work....

I only have Marty and I have not been able to catch him in the act yet! I am keeping my bedroom door closes . I did let him know he was a 'bad' dog but it was after he peed. I hope this is not going to become a big problem!

rockin'robin · 01-11-2012, 07:23 PM

Could be he is mad at you for something (?)...but don't blame you for keeping the door closed!....My doggie (4 yrs. old) has always been so good about letting me know when she needs to go out..."knock on wood"...but refuses to go out if it's raining...she'll hold it...but dunno if she has actually ever peed in the house...

I've always heard it does no good to scold a dog unless you can the dog in the actual act....Most dogs want so much to please their masters....so of course, something must have upset Marty to do this....could there be an animal outside of ur bedroom?...Maybe he smells it...and is marking his territory.....

**sallylou** · 01-11-2012, 07:48 PM

It may be a medical condition. Take Marty to the vet and have him checked out.

My cat started peeing on stuff. I took him to the vet and he has urinary problems. After making changes and getting medicine for him, he's finally rid of that problem. He's acting like a kitten again. lol I got the medication from petshed.com I've been using them for years.

**Reba** · 01-11-2012, 08:38 PM

If you want a product to neutralize the urine, TCS recommends this product:

Walmart.com: Purina Carpet & Upholstery Pet Stain & Odor Eliminator Refill, 64 oz: Cats

Other products will work too, but they must include enzyme digesters in the ingredients. Never try a cover up.

He recommends the big refill bottle, not the spray, because the best way to use it is to soak the area. TCS says, "Don't be dainty with it." Just pour it on and let it work. You don't need to rinse it or dry it.

whatdidyousay! · 01-12-2012, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by rockin'robin

Could be he is mad at you for something (?)...but don't blame you for keeping the door closed!....My doggie (4 yrs. old) has always been so good about letting me know when she needs to go out..."knock on wood"...but refuses to go out if it's raining...she'll hold it...but dunno if she has actually ever peed in the house...

I've always heard it does no good to scold a dog unless you can the dog in the actual act....Most dogs want so much to please their masters....so of course, something must have upset Marty to do this....could there be an animal outside of ur bedroom?...Maybe he smells it...and is marking his territory.....

I took Marty out last night and the woman next door is taking care of her mother male dog ! This is why Marty been marking his territory all around the building! The other dog is very friendly, but Marty feel the dog is 'trespassing' The dog is allowed to run around the yard which it crazy as we have a coyote living close by.
I think Marty is trying mark my bed as his territory too as he peed right at foot of my bed and in it!! When I went to the shelter to check Marty out my daughter and granddaughter where with me and Marty peed on my leg as if he was marking me ! It was love at first sight! LOL!!

dogmom · 01-12-2012, 11:30 AM

whatdidyousay, you wrote that you has his urine tested - did the vet actually do full exam? if Marty wasn't seen by the vet, I second sally's thought.

I use these couple of products variously to get out the urine scent that causes dogs to want to "go" in a previously peed area:
Simple Solution Stain & Odor Remover for Pets at PETCO

and

Product Finder - Nature's Miracle

In general, dogs don't hold grudges or get mad at something you did yesterday.
Marty has no concept of "bad" or "good" - he only knows by your body language, your behaviors and maybe chemical reactions on your body - that you are giving off "angry" signals. One big mistake people make is they get upset with a dog peeing in the house and the dogs associates "person is scary or weird" with potty, so they attempt to go hide somewhere in the house and pee. Dogs learn by repetition and association.
If a vet confirms that Marty has no medical issue that would cause him to pee in the house, then my suggestion is to go back puppyhood and take him outside every hour when you're home or as often as you can. Make sure he goes pee and poop outside by watching him out there and rewarding him for doing it outside.

If you catch your dog peeing in the house, don't scold/yell/swat - just be very calm, maybe use an interrupt like clapping hands or waving or verbal or visual type of "uh oh" - calmly - and swoop the dog outside as quickly as you can.

Outside stressors like new people, new noises and so on in the environment can trigger reactions, especially if something happened outside that scared him when he was peeing and now he associates "outside" with "scary" and inside as a better place to pee.

With male dogs they also make things like Belly Bands to prevent marking/urinating in the house - but they're meant to be used on healthy dogs temporarily, with supervision AND also while you're teaching the dog what you want him to do INSTEAD of peeing in the house.
Belly Bands for Dogs that Wet in the House

whatdidyousay! · 01-12-2012, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reba

If you want a product to neutralize the urine, TCS recommends this product:

Walmart.com: Purina Carpet & Upholstery Pet Stain & Odor Eliminator Refill, 64 oz: Cats

Other products will work too, but they must include enzyme digesters in the ingredients. Never try a cover up.

He recommends the big refill bottle, not the spray, because the best way to use it is to soak the area. TCS says, "Don't be dainty with it." Just pour it on and let it work. You don't need to rinse it or dry it.

Thanks Reba! I will have buy some , I just found out I have a sinus infection, I had it for over a week, this is why I could not smell Marty urine right away!! My head feel like it weight a ton!!

dogmom · 01-12-2012, 11:33 AM

oh, ok, just saw the most recent post whatdidyousay! about the new person and dog and Marty marking around the building. I can see that those things would be connected.

rockin'robin · 01-12-2012, 12:40 PM

Marty is surely a very loving dog towards you...whatdoyousay!...He's not gonna let another dog near you, that's for sure!

So now you know the reason for his peeing....altho' I would not like it if my doggie peed on my leg...

....maybe Marty is secretly saying...."You're mine, Babe!"

whatdidyousay! · 01-12-2012, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogmom

whatdidyousay, you wrote that you has his urine tested - did the vet actually do full exam? if Marty wasn't seen by the vet, I second sally's thought.

I use these couple of products variously to get out the urine scent that causes dogs to want to "go" in a previously peed area:
Simple Solution Stain & Odor Remover for Pets at PETCO

and

Product Finder - Nature's Miracle

In general, dogs don't hold grudges or get mad at something you did yesterday.
Marty has no concept of "bad" or "good" - he only knows by your body language, your behaviors and maybe chemical reactions on your body - that you are giving off "angry" signals. One big mistake people make is they get upset with a dog peeing in the house and the dogs associates "person is scary or weird" with potty, so they attempt to go hide somewhere in the house and pee. Dogs learn by repetition and association.
If a vet confirms that Marty has no medical issue that would cause him to pee in the house, then my suggestion is to go back puppyhood and take him outside every hour when you're home or as often as you can. Make sure he goes pee and poop outside by watching him out there and rewarding him for doing it outside.

If you catch your dog peeing in the house, don't scold/yell/swat - just be very calm, maybe use an interrupt like clapping hands or waving or verbal or visual type of "uh oh" - calmly - and swoop the dog outside as quickly as you can.

Outside stressors like new people, new noises and so on in the environment can trigger reactions, especially if something happened outside that scared him when he was peeing and now he associates "outside" with "scary" and inside as a better place to pee.

With male dogs they also make things like Belly Bands to prevent marking/urinating in the house - but they're meant to be used on healthy dogs temporarily, with supervision AND also while you're teaching the dog what you want him to do INSTEAD of peeing in the house.
Belly Bands for Dogs that Wet in the House

Marty was not seen by the vet I only had his urine tested , there where no appointments for that day and I had to go the ENT doctor today. If he keep on peeing in the house I will have checked out by the vet. I hope he will not pee anymore on the house!! He is playful , he played with the dog from next door. If I had felt better I would had see if the dogs could play today.

DeafCaroline · 01-12-2012, 06:54 PM

My cat just peed on my laundry bag - filled with five loads of just freshly laundered clothes. damnit!

Angel1989 · 01-12-2012, 07:08 PM

When my little Marley was potty training we used the "puppy training pads". Now shes 1&1/2 and still goes on those only. She wont even do her business on the grass. Makes it so easy. When we go out on the boat, she uses the pads also. No scooping poop. She really is the perfect dog for me!!!

rockin'robin · 01-12-2012, 08:08 PM

A friend of mine had 2 small dogs that she would hardly ever take outside...She used small, old rugs for them to pee/poop on...Sometimes, I wonder if that's a good idea, as here in Florida with our hot weather and mild winters, fleas can be rampant....and now that my own doggie is allergic to fleas, and is reisistant to Advantage/Frontline, is now taking "Comfortis", a pill once a month to combat any fleas....

dogmom · 01-12-2012, 08:49 PM

those "pee pads" or artificial turf for inside-the-house pottying are often good for people with tiny dogs, for people living in high-rises <especially if someone has a tiny-breed puppy who just can't hold very much urine in general and certainly can't hold it well enough to get down however many floors> or for people with mobility issues who have smaller or medium-sized dogs and maybe are having trouble getting their dog out in the Winter or whatever. So those are situations where the potty pads and related things can be useful.

The danger there is that the dog learns to only pee on that one kind of surface or something very similar and won't go anywhere else, which isn't something I want my dog to learn.

I don't use any flea/tick products at all. Lots of garlic as monitored by holistic vet - in the Summer. But we do live in the city.

Angel1989 · 01-12-2012, 09:30 PM

These pads are used outside most of the time. She has peed before on the grass while walking. However she prefers the pad. We started using this when the first puppy we bought ended up being very sick and contaminated our lawn. Didn't want Marley to get sick. So the pads were and are a good option. She has great bladder control for a 4lb dog. Has never wet in her crate and sleeps there every night. I feel very lucky to have her in my life.

whatdidyousay! · 01-12-2012, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dogmom

oh, ok, just saw the most recent post whatdidyousay! about the new person and dog and Marty marking around the building. I can see that those things would be connected.

It is not a new person , the dog it new to Marty and the new dog is peeing around our house . The dog is being baby sat and is at the building next to our's. I was surprise to see Marty peeing around our building as he never did it before ,but when I saw the new dog in our yard I knew why Marty is marking his territory. Marty is very territorial for small dog! Marty think he is a cocky dog the way he walk around ! I never really get mad at him , he is so cute it hard to !

Kalima01 · 01-15-2012, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

Marty peed in my bed and on the rug at the foot of my bed two times! He just started to do this a few days ago. I take him out enough and he will let me know if he need to do out by jumping up and down in front of the door! I had his urine tested to made sure he does not have an infection, and he does not have an urine infection. I was getting ready for bed last night and steps into urine in my bedroom again and Marty knew he was in trouble! He tried to hide so he know he is being a 'bad' doggie. .
I have notice that Marty been marking his territory around the condo and I am wondering if he is trying to do this in my bedroom too! I took his water bowl away around 8:00 PM last night hoping this would help but it did not! I could have Marty sleep in his crate , it used to be Finlay and big enough for Marty to move around. I am concerned he may bark or cry at night. A new guy had moved in upstairs and I do not know him and have no idea when he work or sleep. this is so odd that Marty would start peeing in the home when I had him so long. I got him in April 2011.

if there is no medical reason for the peeing thenit is more than likely an attention seeking behaviour.
Any scolding or telling off will encourage him to continue.
By weeing in your room, on your bed etc, could be a sign he thinks he's more dominant then you.

You must only tell him off when you catch him in the act. if you come home / wake up to a mess, then ignore it, put Marty outside for wees and then clean up (make sure he does NOT see you clean up!!)

It make take a few weeks or months but if you continue to ignore it, then eventually he will stop.

Bad attantion is better than no attention at all.

Is Marty castrated?
If not, you should look into it, would help with territorial marking.

dogmom · 01-16-2012, 07:52 AM

dominance has nothing to do with peeing.

dominance means priority access to resources, which vary among dogs, and from moment to moment in the same dog. Dominant is a fluid/changing pattern, not a characteristic or personality trait.
Dominance the way it is used on popular tv and in the "public" thinking is not accurate.

it will only stop based on a number of contingencies - there is no medical issue;
the dog believes it's "safe" or ok to pee outside; dog has been reinforced for peeing outside....

telling a dog off when you catch them doing it will likely have no effect, or will scare/confuse them and lead them to want to go hide away from the person and pee where the person doesn't see them, may also curtail any signals of "I have to pee".

whatdidyousay! · 01-16-2012, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Kalima01

if there is no medical reason for the peeing thenit is more than likely an attention seeking behaviour.
Any scolding or telling off will encourage him to continue.
By weeing in your room, on your bed etc, could be a sign he thinks he's more dominant then you.

You must only tell him off when you catch him in the act. if you come home / wake up to a mess, then ignore it, put Marty outside for wees and then clean up (make sure he does NOT see you clean up!!)

It make take a few weeks or months but if you continue to ignore it, then eventually he will stop.

Bad attantion is better than no attention at all.

Is Marty castrated?
If not, you should look into it, would help with territorial marking.

First of all I would never leave and dog outside by their-self. Marty knew he messed up when he peed in my bedroom . I did not have to tell him this, he is very smart. And he was not peeing to get my attention. When Marty want my attention he will come to me .Dogs do not think like people , they don't think "man I think I will do something really bad to get more attention! "
If they did dogs would being doing something 'bad' all the time! Marty was castrated when he was 2 years old at the shelter. He is a recused dog and was on death row in California , I got him in April 2011 , he was very sick and I nurse him back to health. He was abused and it took time for us to bound and I am not doing to do anything to break Marty trust with me. He was mouthy with me at first as he did not know if I was going to hurt him. Marty now likes to sleep with his face on my face. So I know I am doing something right in taking care of him.

**Reba** · 01-16-2012, 11:13 AM

Is Marty still peeing in the bedroom?

Kalima01 · 01-16-2012, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dogmom

dominance has nothing to do with peeing.

dominance means priority access to resources, which vary among dogs, and from moment to moment in the same dog. Dominant is a fluid/changing pattern, not a characteristic or personality trait.
Dominance the way it is used on popular tv and in the "public" thinking is not accurate.

it will only stop based on a number of contingencies - there is no medical issue;
the dog believes it's "safe" or ok to pee outside; dog has been reinforced for peeing outside....

telling a dog off when you catch them doing it will likely have no effect, or will scare/confuse them and lead them to want to go hide away from the person and pee where the person doesn't see them, may also curtail any signals of "I have to pee".

I worked at a vet hospital, I ran puppy socialisation classes and was working alongside a behaviourist as I was going to study the same thing...

Dominant dogs can use urine to dominate.
I was helping a lady with her dog as he partner was in the Navy so away a lot of the time. Dog was a champ. As soon as partner came home, dog would "mask" the guys scent in the bed by peeing all over it.
Dog would also mark other places in the house, dog was castrated too, but at a late age so the dominant behaviour was set in.
Dog was an absolute angel when partner was away.

Also I wasn't referring to "telling off" when you catch a dog in the act. You need to say no and then move the dog to where he can pee (e.g. outside) and praise him if he pees in the right spot.
Dogs respond more to positive feedback then negative.

Kalima01 · 01-16-2012, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

First of all I would never leave and dog outside by their-self. Marty knew he messed up when he peed in my bedroom . I did not have to tell him this, he is very smart. And he was not peeing to get my attention. When Marty want my attention he will come to me .Dogs do not think like people , they don't think "man I think I will do something really bad to get more attention! "
If they did dogs would being doing something 'bad' all the time! Marty was castrated when he was 2 years old at the shelter. He is a recused dog and was on death row in California , I got him in April 2011 , he was very sick and I nurse him back to health. He was abused and it took time for us to bound and I am not doing to do anything to break Marty trust with me. He was mouthy with me at first as he did not know if I was going to hurt him. Marty now likes to sleep with his face on my face. So I know I am doing something right in taking care of him.

Dogs will in fact do bad things in order to get attention. I was studying dog behaviour and I was working alongside a behaviourist... It's more common than you think.
Most dogs try when they hit puberty. You have a puppy, you toilet train him and everything is hunky dory and as soon as 4 - 6 mths hit, dog may start peeing in house again etc - just like a teenager, pup is "pushing" the boundaries.

It's fantastic what you have done with Marty, nursing him back to health etc, so glad he found a perfect owner to protect and love him

Well if you won't put Marty outside, what about the bathroom? Or where does he normally pee? All I'm saying is that he mustn't see you clean up thats all. If it is attention seeking then you would be reinforcing it.

Although Marty comes to get you when he wants attantion, that doesn't mean he won't do other things too... Just like naughty children

dogmom · 01-16-2012, 10:11 PM

Kalima

you and I have done similar things - I've worked at a vet hospital, have taught Puppy and Basic classes and assisted in agility with various other trainers, have worked with behaviorists and currently do behavior modification at a shelter.

True- dogs do what works for them, so if doing things the person doesn't like, gets them attention, they will continue to do that.

It's also true that I over-generalized and mis-typed - IF the dog see the area as a resource to mark, then yes, that could be a dominance response. But there's peeing and there's actual marking.
But the dog is not "dominant" as a consistent trait.

I personally don't use "no" - it means nothing to the dog unless specifically and repetitively conditioned with the antecedent and behavior
Doesn't give the dog something he -can- do.

I also agree about what a great doggie parent you are, whatdidyousay!
You've done so much work with Marty!

I'm wondering about trying those Pee Posts, if you need to, whatdidyousay...something additional in relation to other ideas, to help him "go THERE, not here" kinda thing. We personally haven't had great luck with the one we got some years back but it could still be useful for someone else to try different things.

Kalima01 · 01-17-2012, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dogmom

Kalima

you and I have done similar things - I've worked at a vet hospital, have taught Puppy and Basic classes and assisted in agility with various other trainers, have worked with behaviorists and currently do behavior modification at a shelter.

True- dogs do what works for them, so if doing things the person doesn't like, gets them attention, they will continue to do that.

It's also true that I over-generalized and mis-typed - IF the dog see the area as a resource to mark, then yes, that could be a dominance response. But there's peeing and there's actual marking.
But the dog is not "dominant" as a consistent trait.

I personally don't use "no" - it means nothing to the dog unless specifically and repetitively conditioned with the antecedent and behavior
Doesn't give the dog something he -can- do.

I also agree about what a great doggie parent you are, whatdidyousay!
You've done so much work with Marty!

I'm wondering about trying those Pee Posts, if you need to, whatdidyousay...something additional in relation to other ideas, to help him "go THERE, not here" kinda thing. We personally haven't had great luck with the one we got some years back but it could still be useful for someone else to try different things.

I def tend to agree with you there, dogs respond much better to positive reinforcement. Like if a dog is chewing a shoe, you take it away and replace with one of pup's toys and praise him when he chews on it etc...

**Phillips** · 01-17-2012, 06:18 AM

I am not certain that you got him from the dog pound? I knew some people have a problem with dog's behavior, and they just drop off dogs to shelter without help. I am glad that you are figuring out solve with Marty's problem!

Good luck!

dogmom · 01-17-2012, 08:48 AM

Kalima, YES....re-direct-

rockin'robin · 01-17-2012, 10:59 AM

All dogs do have their litle accidents .we humans do too!...I remember having to pee-pee myself and was hurrying home and before I could get the door unlocked...peeds all over myself!....

Even when I had my 6 dogs (when I lived in the Country on 1 acre)...I took them for a ride in my 8 passenger Van, and one of my dogs had to poop...I was not paying attention, as I was driving....and when she pooped in the back seat...all of the other dogs moved away...and were giving her the "evil eye!"...as if she had done a horrible thing!....My doggie sort of "hung her head"...knowing it was a "bad thing to do"..... but she could not help it....

I just pulled over and cleaned up the mess (always carried something in the Van for accidents such as this)....I did not scold my doggie...just by looking at her, I knew she felt terrible for doing that!....

Kalima01 · 01-17-2012, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rockin'robin

All dogs do have their litle accidents .we humans do too!...I remember having to pee-pee myself and was hurrying home and before I could get the door unlocked...peeds all over myself!....

Even when I had my 6 dogs (when I lived in the Country on 1 acre)...I took them for a ride in my 8 passenger Van, and one of my dogs had to poop...I was not paying attention, as I was driving....and when she pooped in the back seat...all of the other dogs moved away...and were giving her the "evil eye!"...as if she had done a horrible thing!....My doggie sort of "hung her head"...knowing it was a "bad thing to do"..... but she could not help it....

I just pulled over and cleaned up the mess (always carried something in the Van for accidents such as this)....I did not scold my doggie...just by looking at her, I knew she felt terrible for doing that!....

Awww bless her, poor darl!! And the other dog's shunning her!! How mean hahah

01-11-2012, 03:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
whatdidyousay! Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 8,608	Marty Has Started to PEE in MY BEDROOM!! Marty peed in my bed and on the rug at the foot of my bed two times! He just started to do this a few days ago. I take him out enough and he will let me know if he need to do out by jumping up and down in front of the door! I had his urine tested to made sure he does not have an infection, and he does not have an urine infection. I was getting ready for bed last night and steps into urine in my bedroom again and Marty knew he was in trouble! He tried to hide so he know he is being a 'bad' doggie. . I have notice that Marty been marking his territory around the condo and I am wondering if he is trying to do this in my bedroom too! I took his water bowl away around 8:00 PM last night hoping this would help but it did not! I could have Marty sleep in his crate , it used to be Finlay and big enough for Marty to move around. I am concerned he may bark or cry at night. A new guy had moved in upstairs and I do not know him and have no idea when he work or sleep. this is so odd that Marty would start peeing in the home when I had him so long. I got him in April 2011.

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sallylou Potterhead and Janeite Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: My own private Idaho Posts: 6,653	It may be a medical condition. Take Marty to the vet and have him checked out. My cat started peeing on stuff. I took him to the vet and he has urinary problems. After making changes and getting medicine for him, he's finally rid of that problem. He's acting like a kitten again. lol I got the medication from petshed.com I've been using them for years. __________________

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rockin'robin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 15,285	Marty is surely a very loving dog towards you...whatdoyousay!...He's not gonna let another dog near you, that's for sure! So now you know the reason for his peeing....altho' I would not like it if my doggie peed on my leg.......maybe Marty is secretly saying...."You're mine, Babe!"

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01-11-2012, 04:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
rockin'robin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 15,285	Could it be the change of weather?....Have you had another dog or cat in ur bedroom lately?....Surely, something has spooked him to do this when he knows it's the wrong thing to do....Maybe catching Marty in the act, scolding him and putting him in the crate might work....

01-11-2012, 07:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
rockin'robin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 15,285	Could be he is mad at you for something (?)...but don't blame you for keeping the door closed!....My doggie (4 yrs. old) has always been so good about letting me know when she needs to go out..."knock on wood"...but refuses to go out if it's raining...she'll hold it...but dunno if she has actually ever peed in the house... I've always heard it does no good to scold a dog unless you can the dog in the actual act....Most dogs want so much to please their masters....so of course, something must have upset Marty to do this....could there be an animal outside of ur bedroom?...Maybe he smells it...and is marking his territory.....

01-11-2012, 08:38 PM	#6 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,155	If you want a product to neutralize the urine, TCS recommends this product: Walmart.com: Purina Carpet & Upholstery Pet Stain & Odor Eliminator Refill, 64 oz: Cats Other products will work too, but they must include enzyme digesters in the ingredients. Never try a cover up. He recommends the big refill bottle, not the spray, because the best way to use it is to soak the area. TCS says, "Don't be dainty with it." Just pour it on and let it work. You don't need to rinse it or dry it.

01-12-2012, 11:30 AM	#8 (permalink)
dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,472	whatdidyousay, you wrote that you has his urine tested - did the vet actually do full exam? if Marty wasn't seen by the vet, I second sally's thought. I use these couple of products variously to get out the urine scent that causes dogs to want to "go" in a previously peed area: Simple Solution Stain & Odor Remover for Pets at PETCO and Product Finder - Nature's Miracle In general, dogs don't hold grudges or get mad at something you did yesterday. Marty has no concept of "bad" or "good" - he only knows by your body language, your behaviors and maybe chemical reactions on your body - that you are giving off "angry" signals. One big mistake people make is they get upset with a dog peeing in the house and the dogs associates "person is scary or weird" with potty, so they attempt to go hide somewhere in the house and pee. Dogs learn by repetition and association. If a vet confirms that Marty has no medical issue that would cause him to pee in the house, then my suggestion is to go back puppyhood and take him outside every hour when you're home or as often as you can. Make sure he goes pee and poop outside by watching him out there and rewarding him for doing it outside. If you catch your dog peeing in the house, don't scold/yell/swat - just be very calm, maybe use an interrupt like clapping hands or waving or verbal or visual type of "uh oh" - calmly - and swoop the dog outside as quickly as you can. Outside stressors like new people, new noises and so on in the environment can trigger reactions, especially if something happened outside that scared him when he was peeing and now he associates "outside" with "scary" and inside as a better place to pee. With male dogs they also make things like Belly Bands to prevent marking/urinating in the house - but they're meant to be used on healthy dogs temporarily, with supervision AND also while you're teaching the dog what you want him to do INSTEAD of peeing in the house. Belly Bands for Dogs that Wet in the House

01-12-2012, 11:33 AM	#10 (permalink)
dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,472	oh, ok, just saw the most recent post whatdidyousay! about the new person and dog and Marty marking around the building. I can see that those things would be connected.

01-12-2012, 07:08 PM	#14 (permalink)
Angel1989 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: California Posts: 1,936 Blog Entries: 1	When my little Marley was potty training we used the "puppy training pads". Now shes 1&1/2 and still goes on those only. She wont even do her business on the grass. Makes it so easy. When we go out on the boat, she uses the pads also. No scooping poop. She really is the perfect dog for me!!!

01-12-2012, 08:08 PM	#15 (permalink)
rockin'robin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 15,285	A friend of mine had 2 small dogs that she would hardly ever take outside...She used small, old rugs for them to pee/poop on...Sometimes, I wonder if that's a good idea, as here in Florida with our hot weather and mild winters, fleas can be rampant....and now that my own doggie is allergic to fleas, and is reisistant to Advantage/Frontline, is now taking "Comfortis", a pill once a month to combat any fleas....

01-12-2012, 08:49 PM	#16 (permalink)
dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,472	those "pee pads" or artificial turf for inside-the-house pottying are often good for people with tiny dogs, for people living in high-rises <especially if someone has a tiny-breed puppy who just can't hold very much urine in general and certainly can't hold it well enough to get down however many floors> or for people with mobility issues who have smaller or medium-sized dogs and maybe are having trouble getting their dog out in the Winter or whatever. So those are situations where the potty pads and related things can be useful. The danger there is that the dog learns to only pee on that one kind of surface or something very similar and won't go anywhere else, which isn't something I want my dog to learn. I don't use any flea/tick products at all. Lots of garlic as monitored by holistic vet - in the Summer. But we do live in the city.

01-12-2012, 09:30 PM	#17 (permalink)
Angel1989 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: California Posts: 1,936 Blog Entries: 1	These pads are used outside most of the time. She has peed before on the grass while walking. However she prefers the pad. We started using this when the first puppy we bought ended up being very sick and contaminated our lawn. Didn't want Marley to get sick. So the pads were and are a good option. She has great bladder control for a 4lb dog. Has never wet in her crate and sleeps there every night. I feel very lucky to have her in my life.

01-16-2012, 07:52 AM	#20 (permalink)
dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,472	dominance has nothing to do with peeing. dominance means priority access to resources, which vary among dogs, and from moment to moment in the same dog. Dominant is a fluid/changing pattern, not a characteristic or personality trait. Dominance the way it is used on popular tv and in the "public" thinking is not accurate. it will only stop based on a number of contingencies - there is no medical issue; the dog believes it's "safe" or ok to pee outside; dog has been reinforced for peeing outside.... telling a dog off when you catch them doing it will likely have no effect, or will scare/confuse them and lead them to want to go hide away from the person and pee where the person doesn't see them, may also curtail any signals of "I have to pee".

01-16-2012, 11:13 AM	#22 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,155	Is Marty still peeing in the bedroom?

01-16-2012, 10:11 PM	#25 (permalink)
dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,472	Kalima you and I have done similar things - I've worked at a vet hospital, have taught Puppy and Basic classes and assisted in agility with various other trainers, have worked with behaviorists and currently do behavior modification at a shelter. True- dogs do what works for them, so if doing things the person doesn't like, gets them attention, they will continue to do that. It's also true that I over-generalized and mis-typed - IF the dog see the area as a resource to mark, then yes, that could be a dominance response. But there's peeing and there's actual marking. But the dog is not "dominant" as a consistent trait. I personally don't use "no" - it means nothing to the dog unless specifically and repetitively conditioned with the antecedent and behavior Doesn't give the dog something he -can- do. I also agree about what a great doggie parent you are, whatdidyousay! You've done so much work with Marty! I'm wondering about trying those Pee Posts, if you need to, whatdidyousay...something additional in relation to other ideas, to help him "go THERE, not here" kinda thing. We personally haven't had great luck with the one we got some years back but it could still be useful for someone else to try different things.

01-17-2012, 08:48 AM	#28 (permalink)
dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,472	Kalima, YES....re-direct- Kalima01 likes this.

01-17-2012, 10:59 AM	#29 (permalink)
rockin'robin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 15,285	All dogs do have their litle accidents .we humans do too!...I remember having to pee-pee myself and was hurrying home and before I could get the door unlocked...peeds all over myself!.... Even when I had my 6 dogs (when I lived in the Country on 1 acre)...I took them for a ride in my 8 passenger Van, and one of my dogs had to poop...I was not paying attention, as I was driving....and when she pooped in the back seat...all of the other dogs moved away...and were giving her the "evil eye!"...as if she had done a horrible thing!....My doggie sort of "hung her head"...knowing it was a "bad thing to do"..... but she could not help it.... I just pulled over and cleaned up the mess (always carried something in the Van for accidents such as this)....I did not scold my doggie...just by looking at her, I knew she felt terrible for doing that!....

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