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Reba · 04-10-2008, 01:13 PM

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Animal cruelty charged

2 men ticketed, 3rd sought after goose killed in park
By DOUG PARDUE
The Post and Courier
Thursday, April 10, 2008

Each year, Susan Secrest knows spring is here when two Canada geese return to the Charleston city park behind her West Ashley home. To her great pleasure, the same couple returned this year.

Then last week, while she was in her backyard, she heard "frantic squawks and flapping" coming from West Ashley Park. She rushed to look, afraid that an alligator had one of the geese.

Instead, to her horror, she saw three city parks employees throwing things at the geese. To Secrest, one of the geese seemed to be trying to fend off the attackers. The other splashed excitedly nearby in the water.

Secrest ran to get binoculars for a better look. When she returned, she said, she watched one of the park workers jump into the water, grab one of the geese, wring its neck and stuff it in a bucket. The three tried to get the other goose, but it took off, she said.

The workers then drove off laughing on a park cart with the dead goose concealed under netting in the bucket, Secrest said.

"It nauseated me," she said.

As the workers drove off, Secrest called City Hall. Soon parks officials and police arrived. One of the three workers ran into the woods and couldn't be located. The other two, according to the police report, were "present, along with the evidence."

The two were identified as Rubeli Santiazo and Ceaser Chuy, both of North Charleston. A ticket on a charge of animal cruelty was issued to both and a court date was set for May 5. Police were still looking for the third suspect, identified by police as Clemente Reyes-Cortes, 43, of North Charleston.

Steve Livingston, director of Parks and Recreation for the city, said the three men were temporary workers hired through a local agency to do grounds work in the park. He said the three "will never work for the city again."

Joseph Hughes, owner of Staffing 2000, the firm for which the men worked, said he "terminated all three on the spot." Although police said Ceaser Chuy did not have identification, Hughes said they were Mexicans with proper papers. Nevertheless, he said of the incident, "I'm embarrassed about it. I'm sorry it happened."

Livingston said the 150-acre park along Church Creek is one of 15 to 20 of the city's parks to have a fairly extensive natural area. He said the killing of the goose was "a very unfortunate event. ... I feel violated. I feel like the city was violated.

"You can only surmise that they were looking for dinner."

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undecisivegurl · 04-10-2008, 01:19 PM

Oh my god... That is AWFUL.... I'm so glad that woman reported those three. They deserve to be punished for that cruelty. So sad...

LakeTahoe · 04-10-2008, 01:25 PM

WTF?! That's so absurd!!! Poor geese

KarissaMann05 · 04-10-2008, 01:30 PM

I glad she got them.

Poor geese...

Byrdie714 · 04-10-2008, 07:13 PM

Geese cooked at 375 degrees with a hint of thyme, rosemary and lemon juice taste delicious.

horselover61 · 04-12-2008, 04:09 PM

Ok let me have em. HYAH!!

Babyblue · 04-12-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Geese cooked at 375 degrees with a hint of thyme, rosemary and lemon juice taste delicious.

yes geese are good!

but to take them from a public park... is a crime???

and was he doing it for the joy or for food??

Phillips · 04-12-2008, 05:56 PM

Oh Jeez!!

Koala · 04-12-2008, 05:56 PM

I am glad that the guys are caught for it and got tickets each for killing a goose. Maybe wring their neck as a punishment after what one of the men did to a goose.

Reba · 04-12-2008, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

yes geese are good!

but to take them from a public park... is a crime???

and was he doing it for the joy or for food??

They were a mated nesting pair at a recreational park, not wild geese on the wing during hunting season.

Maybe it's culturally acceptable in Mexico.

Besides, I thought those three guys were supposed to be working, not tormenting the park residents.

We have a mated nesting pair of Canucks at our college pond; I hope no one messes with them. I enjoy seeing them as a drive to work each day.

Babyblue · 04-12-2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

They were a mated nesting pair at a recreational park, not wild geese on the wing during hunting season.

Maybe it's culturally acceptable in Mexico.

Besides, I thought those three guys were supposed to be working, not tormenting the park residents.

We have a mated nesting pair of Canucks at our college pond; I hope no one messes with them. I enjoy seeing them as a drive to work each day.

I totally agree..

I was not implying that it was OK.. to kill them at a public place for joy or food is like killing one in a bird sanctuary.

That is why I asked if it was a crime.... because I figured it was.

IslandGal · 04-12-2008, 08:19 PM

Oh man, how cruel *shakes my head in disguist*

Byrdie714 · 04-12-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

They were a mated nesting pair at a recreational park, not wild geese on the wing during hunting season.

Maybe it's culturally acceptable in Mexico.

Besides, I thought those three guys were supposed to be working, not tormenting the park residents.

We have a mated nesting pair of Canucks at our college pond; I hope no one messes with them. I enjoy seeing them as a drive to work each day.

Recreational park in terms of what?

Reba · 04-12-2008, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Recreational park in terms of what?

It has walking and biking trails, baseball diamonds, lots of woods, marsh views, picnic areas. I think they have an area for paddle boats or canoes.

pek1 · 04-12-2008, 10:59 PM

"You can only surmise that they were looking for dinner."

Copyright © 1997 - 2007 the Evening Post Publishing Co.

I can only surmise that they are looking for a one way ticket (at U.S. taxpayer expense) back to Mexico.

Sounds like a better idea.

Byrdie714 · 04-13-2008, 11:31 AM

So if you live in a big city and you are going hungry. No food in your kitchen, no soup kitchens in your neighborhood.

You go to a park and see wildlife such as ducks, deer in the woods, and your stomach rumbles for food.

What do you do? Remember that a duck meal, a deer meal can last for a couple of days......

Babyblue · 04-13-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

So if you live in a big city and you are going hungry. No food in your kitchen, no soup kitchens in your neighborhood.

You go to a park and see wildlife such as ducks, deer in the woods, and your stomach rumbles for food.

What do you do? Remember that a duck meal, a deer meal can last for a couple of days......

SURE! why not let all the starving people come and strip away the wildlife in our local parks!!

That is why we have social services and job placements for people! If you are starving you can go to a local church or charity. Their are other ways to get food than by taking them out of a PUBLIC park.

TweetyBird · 04-13-2008, 12:02 PM

shesh! i cant believe that..

shel90 · 04-13-2008, 12:20 PM

That's terrible! Crazy people...

Reba · 04-13-2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

So if you live in a big city and you are going hungry. No food in your kitchen, no soup kitchens in your neighborhood.

You go to a park and see wildlife such as ducks, deer in the woods, and your stomach rumbles for food.

What do you do? Remember that a duck meal, a deer meal can last for a couple of days......

If you live in a big city, it's a lot easier to find a soup kitchen with prepared food then to walk to the park and search out an animal to kill, skin it, clean it, and cook it (if you have a house with a stove). Good grief! City parks aren't the wilderness.

Specifically about this story, you did note that the three guys were employed? They were park employees, not starving wanderers. They weren't crawling on their bellies hungry--they were riding in a golf cart! Give me a break.

Also, every one who hunts knows that you don't kill birds that are nesting. You do that and pretty soon there are no wild life next year.

Saline Eyes · 04-13-2008, 01:21 PM

This is a cut and dried case of animal torture, not hunting for food. People with such blatant disregard for living creatures disgust me.

***Chase*** · 04-13-2008, 03:48 PM

Oh, I'm sure the temporary workers were planning to eat the goose, but that's not the salient points.

The reasons they should be fired and further prosecuted are . . .

1. As pointed out, they were paid by Charlton City parks to work, not hunt.

2. In every municiple park I know, "hunting, trapping, or taking of any game or non-game park animals is prohibited."

3. The exceptions to #2 are during seasons when young are able to survive on their own (the prime reason for fishing and hunting seasons) and only by legal residents with proper licences. Betcha a quarter, the goose gangsters were not the former and didn't have the latter.

Byrdie714 · 04-13-2008, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

If you live in a big city, it's a lot easier to find a soup kitchen with prepared food then to walk to the park and search out an animal to kill, skin it, clean it, and cook it (if you have a house with a stove). Good grief! City parks aren't the wilderness.

Specifically about this story, you did note that the three guys were employed? They were park employees, not starving wanderers. They weren't crawling on their bellies hungry--they were riding in a golf cart! Give me a break.

Also, every one who hunts knows that you don't kill birds that are nesting. You do that and pretty soon there are no wild life next year.

There are plenty of Canadian geese. In some places, they are considered a nuisance.

I think the city overreacted.

Reba · 04-13-2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

There are plenty of Canadian geese. In some places, they are considered a nuisance.

IF they are plentiful, and IF it is hunting season, and IF that's a legal hunting area, and IF they either have a hunting license or they are on their own property, and IF the birds are in flight, then they can kill them. In the above story they met none of those conditions. They were being paid to work, not kill park animals.

I believe they are covered by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918.

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I think the city overreacted.

They broke the law, and they wantonly abused their work situation. Why shouldn't they be fired?

Byrdie714 · 04-14-2008, 09:54 AM

Are they on the Endangered Species List?

I don't think so.

As for the city firing them? They deserved to be fired but fined? That's going a little too far as it is known that they are from another country. Who's to say that it may be culturally acceptable in their country for them to be at work and if they see dinner sitting by?????

They just needed to take America 101 before starting to work to know what's acceptable and what's not.

Reba · 04-14-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Are they on the Endangered Species List?

I don't think so.

They don't need to be endangered to be protected. That's a separate classification. Also, hunting laws cover all species.

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As for the city firing them? They deserved to be fired but fined? That's going a little too far as it is known that they are from another country. Who's to say that it may be culturally acceptable in their country for them to be at work and if they see dinner sitting by?????

They just needed to take America 101 before starting to work to know what's acceptable and what's not.

You should know that ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Byrdie714 · 04-14-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

You should know that ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Chances are likely that they didn't know about the law as they are from Mexico.

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Byrdie714 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Long Beach Peninsula, WA Posts: 1,483	Geese cooked at 375 degrees with a hint of thyme, rosemary and lemon juice taste delicious.

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Koala Cuddly bear Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 4,087	I am glad that the guys are caught for it and got tickets each for killing a goose. Maybe wring their neck as a punishment after what one of the men did to a goose.

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pek1 Professional studyier Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Minnesota. Posts: 3,165	"You can only surmise that they were looking for dinner." Copyright © 1997 - 2007 the Evening Post Publishing Co. I can only surmise that they are looking for a one way ticket (at U.S. taxpayer expense) back to Mexico. Sounds like a better idea. __________________ Pete

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Byrdie714 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Long Beach Peninsula, WA Posts: 1,483	So if you live in a big city and you are going hungry. No food in your kitchen, no soup kitchens in your neighborhood. You go to a park and see wildlife such as ducks, deer in the woods, and your stomach rumbles for food. What do you do? Remember that a duck meal, a deer meal can last for a couple of days......

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Saline Eyes Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 327	This is a cut and dried case of animal torture, not hunting for food. People with such blatant disregard for living creatures disgust me.

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*Chase* Mod with training wheels Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Albany, Oregon Posts: 1,834	Oh, I'm sure the temporary workers were planning to eat the goose, but that's not the salient points. The reasons they should be fired and further prosecuted are . . . 1. As pointed out, they were paid by Charlton City parks to work, not hunt. 2. In every municiple park I know, "hunting, trapping, or taking of any game or non-game park animals is prohibited." 3. The exceptions to #2 are during seasons when young are able to survive on their own (the prime reason for fishing and hunting seasons) and only by legal residents with proper licences. Betcha a quarter, the goose gangsters were not the former and didn't have the latter. Last edited by Chase; 04-13-2008 at 06:42 PM.

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Byrdie714 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Long Beach Peninsula, WA Posts: 1,483	Are they on the Endangered Species List? I don't think so. As for the city firing them? They deserved to be fired but fined? That's going a little too far as it is known that they are from another country. Who's to say that it may be culturally acceptable in their country for them to be at work and if they see dinner sitting by????? They just needed to take America 101 before starting to work to know what's acceptable and what's not.

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