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Byrdie714 · 04-14-2008, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Again, ignorance of the law is no excuse. Really, you should know that principle.

I do. But remember not everyone that comes to America knows all of its laws.

Byrdie714 · 04-14-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase

Long ago and far away, I wrote manuals for a livelihood. Still edit them. I'm kind of wondering what the subheading to that section of the required foreign worker's manual would look like.

Taking Unauthorized Breaks from Tasks to Capture and Kill Animals on City Park Grounds and Transporting Said Animal in City Vehicles:

no-no
aucun-aucun
ninguna-ningu'n
nein-nein
nyet-nyet
geen-nr
nah, don't even think it, mate

C.C.Sinned · 04-17-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Saline Eyes

This is a cut and dried case of animal torture, not hunting for food. People with such blatant disregard for living creatures disgust me.

Reba · 04-17-2008, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

I do. But remember not everyone that comes to America knows all of its laws.

Not everyone that is born and lives in the United States knows all the laws but they are not excused from them.

Americans who go to other countries can't use that excuse either.

So it stands--ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Liebling:-))) · 04-17-2008, 08:58 AM

Oh dear... It's disguistly...

Byrdie714 · 04-17-2008, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Not everyone that is born and lives in the United States knows all the laws but they are not excused from them.

Americans who go to other countries can't use that excuse either.

So it stands--ignorance of the law is no excuse.

I'll give you that.

But what is the difference with this story and sitting around the dining room table having turkey on Thanksgiving Day?

The goose gets its neck broken, de-feathered, guts cleaned out, and stuffed with stuffing for dinner.

Wait a minute....we do that for Thanksgiving too.

How do we know that the turkey we are eating wasn't 'frolicking in the park' as well?

Reba · 04-17-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

...How do we know that the turkey we are eating wasn't 'frolicking in the park' as well?

If you bought it fresh or frozen at the grocery store in a Butterball wrapper, or some other wrapper, it came from a poultry farm where it was raised specifically for human consumption.

Another legal option is raising your own turkey on a family farm for your own use.

Another legal option is to shoot a wild turkey, during the legal hunting season, in a legal hunting area, within the legal bag limit.

It is never legal to snatch a turkey from a park.

dreamchaser · 04-17-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

If you live in a big city, it's a lot easier to find a soup kitchen with prepared food then to walk to the park and search out an animal to kill, skin it, clean it, and cook it (if you have a house with a stove). Good grief! City parks aren't the wilderness.

Specifically about this story, you did note that the three guys were employed? They were park employees, not starving wanderers. They weren't crawling on their bellies hungry--they were riding in a golf cart! Give me a break.

Also, every one who hunts knows that you don't kill birds that are nesting. You do that and pretty soon there are no wild life next year.

You are so right Rheba, they were employed. I think they were just showing off for each other. It takes a big man to torture and kill something defenseless for pure excitement. A true hunter will harvest game for his family, and he is always respectful of the animals and their environmnet. True hunters usually feel rather bad about having to kill for food. Many Native Americans believed that if you killed an animal for food, you must then cut out its heart to release its spirit, and you should thank it for its sacrifice. Even in the Bible, Adam was suppose to be a steward over the animals and he named them. They were not put here for someone's sick idea of entertainment.

dreamchaser · 04-17-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

If you bought it fresh or frozen at the grocery store in a Butterball wrapper, or some other wrapper, it came from a poultry farm where it was raised specifically for human consumption.

Another legal option is raising your own turkey on a family farm for your own use.

Another legal option is to shoot a wild turkey, during the legal hunting season, in a legal hunting area, within the legal bag limit.

It is never legal to snatch a turkey from a park.

So, lets say the turkey was froliking in the park, and the guys needed food???? Sounds pretty serious. Why did they drive off laughing and I presume bragging?

Reba · 04-17-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamchaser

So, lets say the turkey was froliking in the park, and the guys needed food???? Sounds pretty serious. Why did they drive off laughing and I presume bragging?

This shows that they knew that killing the goose was wrong:

"Soon parks officials and police arrived. One of the three workers ran into the woods and couldn't be located."

He knew he was guilty.

Byrdie714 · 04-17-2008, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

This shows that they knew that killing the goose was wrong:

"Soon parks officials and police arrived. One of the three workers ran into the woods and couldn't be located."

He knew he was guilty.

Or its.... I.N.S!

Byrdie714 · 04-17-2008, 08:52 PM

OR....

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Secrest ran to get binoculars for a better look. When she returned, she said, she watched one of the [b][b][b]park workers jump into the water, grab one of the geese, wring its neck and stuff it in a bucket. The three tried to get the other goose, but it took off, she said.

The workers then drove off laughing on a park cart with the dead goose concealed under netting in the bucket, Secrest said.

They could have been laughing due to the one jumping into the water.

My question is why didn't the woman who ran to get her binoculars run out to the workers to deter them from harming the goose? If she spent time running to get the binoculars, she could've spent the time running to prevent the unnecessary geese deaths.

shel90 · 04-17-2008, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

OR....

They could have been laughing due to the one jumping into the water.

My question is why didn't the woman who ran to get her binoculars run out to the workers to deter them from harming the goose? If she spent time running to get the binoculars, she could've spent the time running to prevent the unnecessary geese deaths.

Maybe the woman was afraid that they would wring HER neck! I wouldnt want to approach 3 guys torturing animals..who knows what they would do to me!

Babyblue · 04-17-2008, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

OR....

They could have been laughing due to the one jumping into the water.

My question is why didn't the woman who ran to get her binoculars run out to the workers to deter them from harming the goose? If she spent time running to get the binoculars, she could've spent the time running to prevent the unnecessary geese deaths.

Yeah, and the woman would have cause an altercation with the men that she doesn't know. Possibly putting herself in harms way. So why would she?

Of course they were laughing that he jumped in the water, and the reason he jumped in the water was to kill the goose. They found it humorous.

Byrdie714 · 04-18-2008, 09:30 AM

Also....what did they do with the dead goose?

Throw it in the garbage can?

Reba · 04-18-2008, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Or its.... I.N.S!

The resident called the police. She reported the crime of bird killing. She had no clue that the guys were Mexican.

Besides, it's ICE now, not INS. Get with the times.

Reba · 04-18-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

OR....
They could have been laughing due to the one jumping into the water.

It doesn't matter if they laughed or cried while they killed the goose. The goose is dead either way.

Quote:

My question is why didn't the woman who ran to get her binoculars run out to the workers to deter them from harming the goose? If she spent time running to get the binoculars, she could've spent the time running to prevent the unnecessary geese deaths.

One woman alone against three guys at the edge of the woods? Does that seem wise?

Reba · 04-18-2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Also....what did they do with the dead goose?

Throw it in the garbage can?

The police probably kept if for evidence, just like they do in other animal cruelty cases.

***Chase*** · 04-18-2008, 12:59 PM

In Montana and Oregon, illegally killed game of that size (or game parts) are packaged in air-tight bags, frozen, and preserved within the proper chain of evidence pending outcome of a case.

Afterwards, edible game is auctioned at public sales, monies going to state and/or federal habitat restoration projects. Some game is precessed and donated to organizations like Meals-on-Wheels or community food programs.

Pinky678 · 04-25-2008, 12:24 AM

Have you ever watch "Bizarre food with Andrew Zimmerman" on Travel Channel? He ate any wild animal in the world. This is so sicko! But in the America's horses, rooster, eagle and other wild animals are illegal to eat. In Chinese people ate a real dog and cat. I hate it!!! I love the dog. I am not going to eat my dog. This is so disgust! The Chinese eat any exotic food like rabbit, rat, guinea pig and more. I do love to eat a meat from cow, pig, chicken, seafood, and lamb that all. But not a wild animal. I don't mind to eat a deer.

Reba · 04-26-2008, 03:55 PM

Update:

Charleston, SC Latest Local News: Company's goose cooked after bird killing

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Pinky678 Pretty in Pink Bride! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Middle of nowhere in Great Lakes Posts: 639	Have you ever watch "Bizarre food with Andrew Zimmerman" on Travel Channel? He ate any wild animal in the world. This is so sicko! But in the America's horses, rooster, eagle and other wild animals are illegal to eat. In Chinese people ate a real dog and cat. I hate it!!! I love the dog. I am not going to eat my dog. This is so disgust! The Chinese eat any exotic food like rabbit, rat, guinea pig and more. I do love to eat a meat from cow, pig, chicken, seafood, and lamb that all. But not a wild animal. I don't mind to eat a deer. __________________ "Your lips are moving but all I hear is blah, blah, blah!" "You can talk but I probably won't listen"

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04-18-2008, 09:30 AM	#45 (permalink)
Byrdie714 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Long Beach Peninsula, WA Posts: 1,483	Also....what did they do with the dead goose? Throw it in the garbage can?

04-18-2008, 12:59 PM	#49 (permalink)
*Chase* Mod with training wheels Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Albany, Oregon Posts: 1,834	In Montana and Oregon, illegally killed game of that size (or game parts) are packaged in air-tight bags, frozen, and preserved within the proper chain of evidence pending outcome of a case. Afterwards, edible game is auctioned at public sales, monies going to state and/or federal habitat restoration projects. Some game is precessed and donated to organizations like Meals-on-Wheels or community food programs.

04-26-2008, 03:55 PM	#51 (permalink)
Reba Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 14,895	Update: Charleston, SC Latest Local News: Company's goose cooked after bird killing