Never ever declaw a cat... - Page 7

Kaitin · 11-03-2007, 08:58 PM

Why do so many threads end like:

I think everyone loves cats with passion and care. Yes, we disagree about declawing. Information is available on positive and negative. No one is changing opinion so fighting does nothing.

Maybe we should declaw people and give the internet to cats.

VanG · 11-03-2007, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaitin

Why do so many threads end like:

I think everyone loves cats with passion and care. Yes, we disagree about declawing. Information is available on positive and negative. No one is changing opinion so fighting does nothing.

Maybe we should declaw people and give the internet to cats.

Yeah and we all on the same page - no one is changing or

to change their mind.

GalaxyAngel · 11-03-2007, 10:31 PM

Rest of all you guys must LEARN accept their wishes..

Really not necessary bickering person who already declawed or not declawed...

Then SHUDD'UP simple pure easily "Easy Button"

How's that sound good?

VanG · 11-03-2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GalaxyAngel

Rest of all you guys must LEARN accept their wishes..

Really not necessary bickering person who already declawed or not declawed...

Then SHUDD'UP simple pure easily "Easy Button"

How's that sound good?

Let's have a tea and smile

GarnetTigerMom · 11-03-2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Accord many US websites, many pet owners who declawed the cats and then dumped them to shelters. Why?

I consider amputation on part of body as a form of abuse, no matter either it´s human or animal.

yes it is sad, it also dogs too and other pets. Lot of pet owners don't take care of their pets or don't want to be responbile to take care of a pet. If people adpot or buy a pet and decide not want them anymore, then they got no business caring for a pet if they don't want to take serious responbilities to them. Animals and pets are just like childrens that needs love, attention and caring and they look up to use to protect them. It's crying shame really. I adpoted both my dogs from bad owners and offer to take care of them to have a better life and I have no regret raising them as my babies. So people who dumped pets in shelters are idiots and they are the one cruel and heartless and the animals are the one get to suffer.

Roadrunner · 11-03-2007, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Audiofuzzy

Are you for real? do you know anyone who had a body part amputated for CONVENIENCE? my god....

Fuzzy

Excuse me? Please don't add words to my post when I never 'used' the word: 'convenience'. Tsk tsk.

~RR

GarnetTigerMom · 11-03-2007, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Roadrunner

Excuse me? Please don't add words to my post when I never 'used' the word: 'convenience'. Tsk tsk.

~RR

Nice going to catch her on this one RR! lol

Angel · 11-03-2007, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by IslandGal

At least there are a lot good hearted people out there who agree that declawing is inhumane thing to do.

So you're saying the few of us here in this thread who declawed our cats are not good heart people?...

*sigh* you people are soo unbelieveable, first judging us as being a cat abuser then saying the reason for declawed is to punished our cat?? Then compare declawed as kicking another pet? Not a good heart people gee... This thread is toally a big turned off for me and it s such a shame to see some of my friends in this thread would think of me as all that has been listed above....

I'm out of this thread ya people don't know the differnence of ageeing to diagree . Most of you people are doing in this thread is putting us down like a bunch of ants

Lastly I decaled most of my cats and THEYRE FINE!! Believe it or not I don't give a hoot

IslandGal · 11-03-2007, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel

So you're saying the few of us here in this thread who declawed our cats are not good heart people?...

*sigh* you people are soo unbelieveable, first judging us as being a cat abuser then saying the reason for declawed is to punished our cat?? Then compare declawed as kicking another pet? Not a good heart people gee... This thread is toally a big turned off for me and it s such a shame to see some of my friends in this thread would think of me as all that has been listed above....

I'm out of this thread ya people don't know the differnence of ageeing to diagree . Most of you people are doing in this thread is putting us down like a bunch of ants

Lastly I decaled most of my cats and THEYRE FINE!! Believe it or not I don't give a hoot

Sighhhhhh, here we go again. I was just quoting to Reba. I have never said to your face that you were abusing your cats, have I? Care to show me where I have said that? I do know that you love your cats dearly. I was hoping that you weren't still bitter towards me but I can see that you are. I am sorry if you don't agree with my concerns for the unlucky cats who died or got sick from the declawings. All I was trying to say is that NOT ALL declawings are successful. I see some people in here are saying that their cats are happy. I am happy to see that these cats were lucky to be alive or not having any problems with their declawings but what about my Aunt and several other owners whose cats were not lucky? My Aunt was devastated when her beloved cat died from infection it received after being declawed. Did I tell her that she was wrong to declaw her cat? No, I did not. She was so glad when I told her about the deep facts of declawings because her vet never told her the truth about the procedures. She thought it was just a removal not amputation.

See it is like this, some people think implanting on babies with a CI is cruel and some people think declawing cats is cruel. I am sorry if you think I am putting you down but I haven't pointed my finger at you at all.

I was hoping that we would be friends again but sadly I can't see that it is going to happen.

Angel · 11-03-2007, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by IslandGal

Sighhhhhh, here we go again. I was just quoting to Reba. I have never said to your face that you were abusing your cats, have I? Care to show me where I have said that? I do know that you love your cats dearly. I was hoping that you weren't still bitter towards me but I can see that you are. I am sorry if you don't agree with my concerns for the unlucky cats who died or got sick from the declawings. All I was trying to say is that NOT ALL declawings are successful. I see some people in here are saying that their cats are happy. I am happy to see that these cats were lucky to be alive or not having any problems with their declawings but what about my Aunt and several other owners whose cats were not lucky? My Aunt was devastated when her beloved cat died from infection it received after being declawed. Did I tell her that she was wrong to declaw her cat? No, I did not. She was so glad when I told her about the deep facts of declawings because her vet never told her the truth about the procedures. She thought it was just a removal not amputation.

See it is like this, some people think implanting on babies with a CI is cruel and some people think declawing cats is cruel. I am sorry if you think I am putting you down but I haven't pointed my finger at you at all.

I was hoping that we would be friends again but sadly I can't see that it is going to happen.

Looks who talking where did I say I was bitter from your old thread see that where you're so wrong second you got a plm with me take it in PM , I'm reponding to your post and I did read your reply to reba, you don't even know her and you don't know me either personally or those people who did declaed their cats, we all love our cats whether or not you believe it so I would very much appericate to keep your so call jugement to yourslef and I'm sorry to hear about those declawed cats that didn't do well with theirs but that's doesn't mean ALL decalwed cats will turn out the same way that's the point island gurl and for being your friend I don't think that will happen at all not because you disagreed about declaws its because you knew exactly where I stand on this yet you didn't respect me as a cat owner friends will respect whatever choice they do make whether its about their kis or pet or their patner I never once judge you for any choice you made so where yours?

IslandGal · 11-03-2007, 11:48 PM

Wow, is it so wrong for me to disagree with declawings? That is my opinion, okay? I have never bashed on you for declawing your cats.

What about those who disagreed with implanting CIs on babies? Are they wrong to disagree too?

Not everyone have the same opinions and POVs.

I am outta of this forum because I am not free to express my opinions and concerns.

Angel · 11-04-2007, 01:18 AM

I did not say that IslandGurl, I said "choice", when I told you in PM where I stand on "declawed" you told me you were going to created an educational thread and to post a link, I knew exactly what the vet was going to do once my first cat was being declawed (front only ) yet you were shocked that I didn't change my mind once views those web links about declawed and how they remove a cat bone etc... That's exactly what I'm talking about, what made ya think I didn't know nothing about declaws or what they do retc.. I made that choice even it wasn't easy at first but my son has scar on his face for the rest of his life why? Cause my first cat tiger jumped on his bed while he was sleeping and end up given him a scar on his face in which he end up with 3 stitches ... I love my children and I love cats .. So I made that decision based on what I felt was right and all my cats are very happy and with no plms after being declawed now if you truly understand the real reason behind all of this, then maybe some of you wouldn't have judge us harshly....that's all I'm gonna say... I'm sorry if you felt I'm attacking ya but I'm more upset of some of the judement and harsh comments that were made in this thread...I can understand why some of you find declaws as being cruel or why it is wrong , like I said in my first post I respect those who thinks strongly against declaws but I don't see the same respect bk from some of you here...

And one more thing parent who implant their deaf children with CI has NOTHING to do with this thread but since you brought this up, that's exactly what I stated ad "choice" its their children not mine not yours so I repsect their decision on that....

Maria · 11-04-2007, 01:38 AM

Liebling:-))) · 11-04-2007, 02:18 AM

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GarnetTigerMom´post
As we all know that amputated is there for a reasons. If animals or person got hit by a car and can't use their legs or arms by getting hit by car or have cancers or other health issue to save them. So, they might have to amputated to save a life. Some animals do well with 3 legs and still lead a normal life and that same goes to humans too. Sometimes we have to save a life.

Liebling:-))) · 11-04-2007, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I guess there's no point in trying to convince me that declawing is wrong.

If the link over cat´s health - the declaw is including part of link, you provided on my thread do not support your view, then ignore it instead of pasted declaw issues over my thread. I thought you agree with the link over declaw because you pasted it fully instead of ignore some sentence when you disagree to.

http://www.alldeaf.com/842007-post21.html

I quoted part of link, you pasted.

http://www.alldeaf.com/842264-post25.html

Liebling:-))) · 11-04-2007, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Fingertips certainly don't save anyone from road accidents. :

Exactly, it´s same thing with claws.

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So?

Next time, use your common sense please.

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I thought we were discussing cat claws.

Is it forbid to compare the form of amupation on human and animal?

Liebling:-))) · 11-04-2007, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Did I say they mean "nothing"?

I am here to correct your misinterpreted post. This is your own word... It means nothing to the other states and then my own word Are you saying that it means NOTHING?.

Liebling:-))) · 11-04-2007, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

She's not a cat, so the statement is weird. Cats don't consciously think about "rules" and respecting their owners. Projecting our human viewpoints onto animals is bizarre (unless you are Beatrix Potter and writing a fiction story).

Yes, cats know the rules and respect their owners.

I myself have 4 cats and experience with cats for long years. They know what they allow or not because I TRAINED/EDUCATED them to do or not do it.

Each cat has different personalities but I deal with them well... do or not do anything.

I am surprised that you didn´t know.

Liebling:-))) · 11-04-2007, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Your post said nothing about your children. You said, "I would obey/respect what my owner say and also their rule, too and will know what kind of anything I am allow or not because I want their love and affection if I were a cat."

I experienced with my cats for years and know their body languages. Of course they know my rules and respect me because I TRAINED/EDUCATED them.

I am surprised that you didn´t know.

Yes, you are right that I say nothing about my children when I answered Islandgal´s question. I know that I am not only one who answered her question as well. You call my view as a werid. Did you know what you said is an insult and offensive. Lucky, I do not take your word serious.

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To the best of my knowledge, your children aren't kittens, so I don't think you were talking about your children.

I awared that my children are human. I trained/educate my children and pets the same to obey my rule and respect us.

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Yes, you did misunderstand. No where did we discuss amputating your children's fingertips.

I hope I misunderstand you but I understand your post correct when I tried to compare my cats with my children over obey/disrespect my rule etc toward your post because you said that cats don´t know how to obey/respect their pet owners. I am total surprised that you think the pets don´t know how to obey and respect their owners.

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For the umpteenth time, I never said anything about you educating your children. I said that you putting yourself into the mind of the cat was weird.

Without train/educate children and pet then they would act misbehavior... Right?

Why not? I am not only one who answer Islandgal´s question volunatarily.

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Fine. When you become a cat I hope you get a good and loving pet owner.

Yes, I hope so. I will runaway and ask for the help if they are horrible to me.

Because the pets and children should get a good and loving pet owners and parents who don´t abuse them because they do not deserve it.

Liebling:-))) · 11-04-2007, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

My cats didn't have to hunt for food; I fed them good quality cat food. Of course, they still caught the occasional squirrel, bird, and many lizards.

We do not talk about your cat but any cats in general who live outdoor or runaway cats. It´s good for them to use their front claws when they hunting for the foods when they are lost and hungry.

Anyway, the cats catched mice, flies, spiders, fishes and birds with their own front claws. It´s natural. The cats should be allow to be cats.

Audiofuzzy · 11-04-2007, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Roadrunner

Excuse me? Please don't add words to my post when I never 'used' the word: 'convenience'. Tsk tsk.
~RR

You didn't have to (use that word). It's obvious that a human would never amputate any body part for convenience. It's done as a last resort to save life!

And declawing cat's paws have no any other reason or use than owner's convenience.

Fuzzy

Audiofuzzy · 11-04-2007, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by VanG

Aders--- This is getting old about declawing and clawing. I know there are Pro and Con, Legal and Illegal, and not ban or ban. I really appreciate Liebling put very positive about declawing and clawing. She totally respect people about declaw and claw cat. One thing I DO NOT APPERCIATE AUDIOFUZZY for being so rude and accused us about bad parents, use other term to explain picture but there is no point, being judgmental against us about declaw-- We all totally respect people about declaw and claw but we take good care of cat is what the most important matter. Like I said, what most important about being a cat owner is good parent with cat by feeding, provide a place, medication, make sure it is in good shape. I had been watching Liebling and I noticed she was not being judgmental but giving her truth opinion by her experience and her belief.

Well----- Today at my work when I was on call to go to Clinic. The owner bought the cat in that she adopted cat from shelter. I was so surprise to see cat with one nail swollen. Doctor Cow took xray. (let me tell you, handle the cat on x-ray is NO FUN!) Doctor discovered that cat's nail was broken apart from paw and is dead. She used something to get nail out of paw while cat (Blue) was not sedated. We both were so surprise that the nail came out of paw was so easy just like piece of cake. The nail has vessel which is full of blue and black. Doctor took blood and run the test. We found that cat is postive FEL. (postive for feline like AIDS) Blue's body just fell apart and is only 4 years old. We had to put her to sleep and I talked to doctor about declaw in her belief. She showed me blue's paw and said that most vet used painless shot into the paws and get full of nail but not the bones. She don't use black machine like in website which provide by Liebling is gross. She used laser to stop the nail growing. This is the new way to declaw the nail instead of cut the bone off. Doctor said that school taught her to cut only nails and burn the growth part is the best way and less pain. She said there are a lot of debating about declaw and claw. But what is most important is that cat is in good care of family.

That is what I am saying. Taking good care of cats are more important than just focus on claw and declawing.

BTW, The shelter was being on house-arrest due of overcrowding felines and dogs. Most of cats were starve to death and dogs ate some of kitten for dinner. LHPD arrested 8 people and took cats to our clinic to observe and I took the dogs to zoo program for the dogs to spend the night at zoo until Monday. (sigh)

My opinion is declawing is inhumane, an animal abuse, and barbarian practice and pple who declaw their pets are abusing the animal. Period.

Fuzzy

11-03-2007, 10:31 PM	#183 (permalink)
GalaxyAngel That's me! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ontario,Canada Posts: 13,436	Rest of all you guys must LEARN accept their wishes.. Really not necessary bickering person who already declawed or not declawed... Then SHUDD'UP simple pure easily "Easy Button" How's that sound good? __________________ Parents' proud of Logan.

11-04-2007, 01:18 AM	#192 (permalink)
Angel Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 18,695	I did not say that IslandGurl, I said "choice", when I told you in PM where I stand on "declawed" you told me you were going to created an educational thread and to post a link, I knew exactly what the vet was going to do once my first cat was being declawed (front only ) yet you were shocked that I didn't change my mind once views those web links about declawed and how they remove a cat bone etc... That's exactly what I'm talking about, what made ya think I didn't know nothing about declaws or what they do retc.. I made that choice even it wasn't easy at first but my son has scar on his face for the rest of his life why? Cause my first cat tiger jumped on his bed while he was sleeping and end up given him a scar on his face in which he end up with 3 stitches ... I love my children and I love cats .. So I made that decision based on what I felt was right and all my cats are very happy and with no plms after being declawed now if you truly understand the real reason behind all of this, then maybe some of you wouldn't have judge us harshly....that's all I'm gonna say... I'm sorry if you felt I'm attacking ya but I'm more upset of some of the judement and harsh comments that were made in this thread...I can understand why some of you find declaws as being cruel or why it is wrong , like I said in my first post I respect those who thinks strongly against declaws but I don't see the same respect bk from some of you here... And one more thing parent who implant their deaf children with CI has NOTHING to do with this thread but since you brought this up, that's exactly what I stated ad "choice" its their children not mine not yours so I repsect their decision on that.... Last edited by Angel; 11-04-2007 at 01:35 AM.

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Kaitin Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 845 Blog Entries: 23	Why do so many threads end like: I think everyone loves cats with passion and care. Yes, we disagree about declawing. Information is available on positive and negative. No one is changing opinion so fighting does nothing. Maybe we should declaw people and give the internet to cats.

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11-03-2007, 11:48 PM	#191 (permalink)
IslandGal Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sunshine State Posts: 4,158	Wow, is it so wrong for me to disagree with declawings? That is my opinion, okay? I have never bashed on you for declawing your cats. What about those who disagreed with implanting CIs on babies? Are they wrong to disagree too? Not everyone have the same opinions and POVs. I am outta of this forum because I am not free to express my opinions and concerns.

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