Never ever declaw a cat... - Page 6

IslandGal · 11-03-2007, 03:43 PM

Humans don’t ask for their fingertips to be amputated and neither does the cats or any other animals.

If humans and any animals are in a need of an amputation for a medical reason to avoid having their limbs gangrened then it is for a very good reason. An amputation to save a life is necessary but to prevent a human or an animal from destroying things is not necessary at all.

I am not trying to start a war in here but I am just expressing my concerns and sympathy for these cats that were not so lucky after they were declawed.

IslandGal · 11-03-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Will front claws protect them from being run over by a car? That's how most runaway cats die.

Liebling’s cat was almost killed by another animal and her front claws saved her life. She is not saying that a car killed her cat because it had claws.

IslandGal · 11-03-2007, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

California passes many laws that other states don't pass. It means nothing to the other states.

At least there are a lot good hearted people out there who agree that declawing is inhumane thing to do.

Reba · 11-03-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by IslandGal

At least there are a lot good hearted people out there who agree that declawing is inhumane thing to do.

... and there are many good-hearted people who disagree.

IslandGal · 11-03-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Ooooo, the websites agree! Ooooo,

to websites!

Haven’t you looked in these websites to read what several other cat owners went through after they had their cats declawed? My Aunt was so heartbroken after she lost her cat to infection it had from the declawing. She never fully knew the full procedures of the declawing because her vet never told her. She only learned more about it after her cat died. Again, NOT ALL declawings are successful. I refuse to take a chance to have my cat declawed because it may not be successful for her.

Reba · 11-03-2007, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by IslandGal

Liebling’s cat was almost killed by another animal and her front claws saved her life. She is not saying that a car killed her cat because it had claws.

I'm just saying that front claws aren't a guaranteed protection for runaway cats.

IslandGal · 11-03-2007, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

OK, this is getting weird.

Liebling is just expressing her POV to my question and I do not find her statement weird.

IslandGal · 11-03-2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

... and there are many good-hearted people who disagree.

What kind of good hearted people who agree that amputating the cats' paw tips is an humane thing to do?

IslandGal · 11-03-2007, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I'm just saying that front claws aren't a guaranteed protection for runaway cats.

You are right but what some of us are saying is that the front paws are the most needed when it comes to their defense from other animals.

Audiofuzzy · 11-03-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Roadrunner

Hmmm...look at it from this perspective or view--those people who have been amputated...now, is that a form of abuse? Nah...didn't think so.

Are you for real? do you know anyone who had a body part amputated for CONVENIENCE? my god....

Fuzzy

Peace out--
~RR[/quote]

Audiofuzzy · 11-03-2007, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

But California, America consider to ban cat declaw and make it into illegal. It could be spread out from CA to other states in the future?

oh I HOPE so!!! I SO HOPE SO!! cat declawing should be banned and illegal worldwide.

Fuzzy

Audiofuzzy · 11-03-2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

... and there are many good-hearted people who disagree.

Come on Reba. A good hearted person won't declaw a cat, ever.

Fuzzy

Liebling:-))) · 11-03-2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Will front claws protect them from being run over by a car? That's how most runaway cats die.

Will fingertips protect them from being run over by a car? That´s how most people/children died of road accidents.

Liebling:-))) · 11-03-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

California passes many laws that other states don't pass. It means nothing to the other states.

Are you saying that it means NOTHING?

Don´t you read what the people and Expert´s negative view on declaw issues from MANY US websites? It tells alot that they are hoping to make declaw into illegal.

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Originally Posted by Reba
Ooooo, the websites agree! Ooooo,

to websites!

I find good when the people are open mind to look at positive information before their decision will be made. It´s good education for everyone including us. It´s similar example with CI issues, etc.

Liebling:-))) · 11-03-2007, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

OK, this is getting weird.

*Total speechless*

Do you mean it´s weird to educate my children to obey/respect my rules and let them know what kind of anything they are allow or not?

For you, it´s not weird to amuptate my children´s fingertips for disobey/disrespect my rules?

I hope that I misunderstand your post.

For me, without educate my children and animal then they would act misbehavior. I don´t care if you think my view to educate my childen and animal to be behave, obey, respect etc is weird.

I would be glad to have a good and loving pet owner who correct my behavior and show me what I should do or not when I were a cat.

Liebling:-))) · 11-03-2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by IslandGal

Humans don’t ask for their fingertips to be amputated and neither does the cats or any other animals.

If humans and any animals are in a need of an amputation for a medical reason to avoid having their limbs gangrened then it is for a very good reason. An amputation to save a life is necessary but to prevent a human or an animal from destroying things is not necessary at all.

I am not trying to start a war in here but I am just expressing my concerns and sympathy for these cats that were not so lucky after they were declawed.

Exactly, that´s what I am trying to say in my previous post. You find better word to explain the difference between life-threatening and non-necessary surgery than me.

Yes, it´s not my intend to make a war with anyone here but positive my posts to express my own feeling - the same thing what I did in several different debated threads like CI, spanking, etc.

Liebling:-))) · 11-03-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by IslandGal

Liebling’s cat was almost killed by another animal and her front claws saved her life. She is not saying that a car killed her cat because it had claws.

Yes, that´s right...

See the picture of Kim with stitches after dog attack last May 2007.
http://www.alldeaf.com/771712-post15.html

Liebling:-))) · 11-03-2007, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I'm just saying that front claws aren't a guaranteed protection for runaway cats.

The human fingertips and animal claw are about protect from anything and useful for something... Without fingertips and claw, they can´t protect or use anything to save their life. I would say the same with runaway children as well.

Liebling:-))) · 11-03-2007, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by IslandGal

You are right but what some of us are saying is that the front paws are the most needed when it comes to their defense from other animals.

And hunting for the foods.

Liebling:-))) · 11-03-2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Audiofuzzy

oh I HOPE so!!! I SO HOPE SO!! cat declawing should be banned and illegal worldwide.

Fuzzy

I have the same feeling as you... Many people have the same feeling as well... I hope it will turn into illegal... I am really glad that US websites convince many people at last.

Liebling:-))) · 11-03-2007, 06:06 PM

I love to see my cats look at their paws and make sure that their paws are clean before let their paw to open to see their claws and bite/lick to clean their claws and then look their claws again after finish bite/lick their claws to make sure that their claws look "pretty" and satisfy themselves like we human look at our nails and take care of our nails and make us feel good like that. I LOVE their expression "proud" look on their claws...

GarnetTigerMom · 11-03-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Audiofuzzy

Are you for real? do you know anyone who had a body part amputated for CONVENIENCE? my god....

Fuzzy

Peace out--
~RR

[/quote]

As we all know that amputated is there for a reasons. If animals or person got hit by a car and can't use their legs or arms by getting hit by car or have cancers or other health issue to save them. So, they might have to amputated to save a life. Some animals do well with 3 legs and still lead a normal life and that same goes to humans too. Sometimes we have to save a life.

Reba · 11-03-2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Audiofuzzy

Come on Reba. A good hearted person won't declaw a cat, ever.

Fuzzy

Well, then, I'm not a good-hearted person, so I guess there's no point in trying to convince me that declawing is wrong.

Reba · 11-03-2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by IslandGal

Liebling is just expressing her POV to my question and I do not find her statement weird.

She's not a cat, so the statement is weird. Cats don't consciously think about "rules" and respecting their owners. Projecting our human viewpoints onto animals is bizarre (unless you are Beatrix Potter and writing a fiction story).

Reba · 11-03-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Will fingertips protect them from being run over by a car? That´s how most people/children died of road accidents.

Fingertips certainly don't save anyone from road accidents. So? I thought we were discussing cat claws.

Reba · 11-03-2007, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Are you saying that it means NOTHING?

Don´t you read what the people and Expert´s negative view on declaw issues from MANY US websites? It tells alot that they are hoping to make declaw into illegal.

Did I say they mean "nothing"?

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I find good when the people are open mind to look at positive information before their decision will be made. It´s good education for everyone including us. It´s similar example with CI issues, etc.

Reading other viewpoints on websites is one thing; accepting them as the final authority is quite another.

Reba · 11-03-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Do you mean it´s weird to educate my children to obey/respect my rules and let them know what kind of anything they are allow or not?

Your post said nothing about your children. You said, "I would obey/respect what my owner say and also their rule, too and will know what kind of anything I am allow or not because I want their love and affection if I were a cat."

To the best of my knowledge, your children aren't kittens, so I don't think you were talking about your children.

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For you, it´s not weird to amuptate my children´s fingertips for disobey/disrespect my rules?

I hope that I misunderstand your post.

Yes, you did misunderstand. No where did we discuss amputating your children's fingertips.

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... I don´t care if you think my view to educate my childen and animal to be behave, obey, respect etc is weird.

For the umpteenth time, I never said anything about you educating your children. I said that you putting yourself into the mind of the cat was weird.

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I would be glad to have a good and loving pet owner who correct my behavior and show me what I should do or not when I were a cat.

Fine. When you become a cat I hope you get a good and loving pet owner.

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