Never ever declaw a cat... - Page 4

JeepGirl · 11-01-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Audiofuzzy

People who have limbs amputated don't always get infections either.
Just because some cats don't get infections from declawing doesn't make it any less INHUMANE.
Declawing a cat is inhumane, cruel abuse for this simple reason - it's like amputating a fingers with part of a hand in human.

It's CRUEL CRUEL CRUEL. no if and buts about it

Fuzzy

that's just a personal choice. you chose to think its cruel which is fine.. that's your own decision.

JeepGirl · 11-01-2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I noticed some of you tried to compare declaw cats with neuter/spaying and vaccines which I respectfully disagreed.

I can't even believe that you can compare neuter/spaying, vaccines with declaw. I am trying to be polite to make my post here to aviod drama.

First of all, neuter/spaying and vaccines are not amputation but clean procedure.

The cats are being force/punish to declaw because they damaged their owners´furniture or scratch them... It look like a punishment to me. (IMO).

I would compare cat declaw with human finger tips, not Neuter/spaying and vaccines. Is it okay to cut human´s finger tips that´s because they scratch you or damage your furniture? What´s wrong to train human and animal to not do that?

Neuter/spaying and vaccines issues are not the same thing as declaw issues.

I suppose you're actually speaking of me.

you need to think about spaying and nuetering.. there are pros and cons into it. if you don't get your cat/dog spayed or nuetered, there are side effects. short life, illness at early age, too many littering, etc.

vaccines... why do you think all the animals need vaccines? to provent from being sick, getting rabies shot to provent getting rabies from wild animals, etc. when all that is ignored.. what happens??? short life, not caring for the animals. Leib.. i don't think you realize why i brought it up. My whole point was... when a person neglects a pet, not taking care of it, not getting what a pet needs.. what would you do if your child is very sick? take your child to the dr? same with the pet. but alot of people tend to neglect them and just let them die. what do you call that? abuse. getting nuetered/spayed saves lives and a life-long term of living.

the animals have reason to live on earth and to be somebody's pet. a cat getting declawed is but for a good reason.. to keep them inside.. to keep them from scratching other people, to keep from tearing up furnitures.

and again.. its personal choice. i've never had a cat declawed when i was growing up because the cat was an outside cat. i have a 3 legged cat.. she got declawed because she would not be able to take care of herself outside or else she'd be dead. so instead.. i got her declawed and kept her inside.

my orange cat is also an inside cat too and is declawed. no reason. but want to keep her inside at all times.

that's my choice and nobody elses.

you got your own choice.

so that's why i was comparing how ya'll think.. declawing is a big deal when ya'll need to think about other things such as not doing the right thing with a pet when sick, have heartworms, and know what to do when that happens.

but on the other hand, that's how i see it.. and you see it differently.

JeepGirl · 11-01-2007, 07:50 PM

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I feel that you misinterpreted my comparison post because I disagree with some posters for compared declaw with vaccines and neuter/spaying and then compared human fingertips with animal claw.

Anyway, I feel from your post that you think it´s just claw... No, it´s not just claw but removed the bone joint, flesh, tendons, nerves, blood vessels...as well. Declaw is a form of an amputation.

I hope this link will helps.

The Facts About Declawing

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How old is this??

Cheri · 11-01-2007, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Exactly... that´s what I am wondering after read rockdrummer´s post and questioned him about this.

Rockdrummer is stating the truth, I've seen it with my own eyes. My friend has a cat who is also declawed and she recently brought a puppy and that puppy would walk up to her cat, that cat will get on his back and use his rear claws on the puppy to give the puppy a hint that he wants to be left alone. It was so cute.

So rockdrummer is correct cats would know the front paws no longer have claws will most likely use their rear to fight back.

IslandGal · 11-01-2007, 09:27 PM

Close your eyes and pretend you are a cat....would you want to go through with the declawings on yourself?

The link that Liebling provided may be old but the procedures of the declawing are still the same as today.

JeepGirl · 11-01-2007, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by IslandGal

Close your eyes and pretend you are a cat....would you want to go through with the declawings on yourself?

The link that Liebling provided may be old but the procedures of the declawing are still the same as today.

If I was hurting people or jeopardizing in their lives by ruining their furnitures or any other things that can possibly need to be declawed then Yes i would want to.

Here it is.. my cat is playing with my foot now and purring... she's happy.

IslandGal · 11-01-2007, 10:06 PM

I do understand what they are saying about it being personal choice when it comes to declawing their cats but what about the cat's choice? It cannot make choices because they cannot speak out. They may be just animals but they do have feelings like human beings do. I am sure they do not want to go through the pain of being declawed and I know I don't want to either.

If I were a cat and I hurt people or tore up furnitures then I would rather have my owner to have me to live outdoors instead of having my paw tips amputated.

Not all declawings are successful, you know? While your cat is happy but my Aunt's cat and several others were the unlucky ones.

JeepGirl · 11-01-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by IslandGal

I do understand what they are saying about it being personal choice when it comes to declawing their cats but what about the cat's choice? It cannot make choices because they cannot speak out. They may be just animals but they do have feelings like human beings do. I am sure they do not want to go through the pain of being declawed and I know I don't want to either.

If I were a cat and I hurt people or tore up furnitures then my choice would be for my owner to have me to live outdoors instead of having my paw tips amputated.

Not all declawings are successful, you know? While your cat is happy but my Aunt's cat and several others were the unlucky ones.

You're right.. not all declawed ones are successful. I'm just saying.. my cat is happy and have no problem with complications. and yes.. there are alot of unlucky ones out there. I feel for them, I do. I'm just saying.. i'm not against it. just a personal choice.. just like you have a personal choice which is fine too.

Audiofuzzy · 11-02-2007, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RebelGirl

You're right.. not all declawed ones are successful. I'm just saying.. my cat is happy and have no problem with complications. and yes.. there are alot of unlucky ones out there. I feel for them, I do. I'm just saying.. i'm not against it. just a personal choice.. just like you have a personal choice which is fine too.

yep, personal choice to abuse an animal, or not.

Fuzzy

GalaxyAngel · 11-02-2007, 08:51 AM

AudioFuzzy,
Whatever if you so called them whoever cruel abuse their cat declawed..

I don't give you a damn... I don't judge you about every per details which you kept tend throwing their mouths again..

You have to respect them everyone who prefer not declawed or declawed.
*sigh* Seems you not even care all you want war w/other AD'ers about this topic.
Ridcouisly!

SxyPorkie · 11-02-2007, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GalaxyAngel

AudioFuzzy,
Whatever if you so called them whoever cruel abuse their cat declawed..

I don't give you a damn... I don't judge you about every per details which you kept tend throwing their mouths again..

You have to respect them everyone who prefer not declawed or declawed.
*sigh* Seems you not even care all you want war w/other AD'ers about this topic.
Ridcouisly!

GA... I completely agree with you... seems that fuzzy tends to entice anyone to bash .... thats her..

Both of my cats are indoors and declawed.. and they are happy... playful.... if they are angry they would bite me...

VanG · 11-02-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Audiofuzzy

yep, personal choice to abuse an animal, or not.

Fuzzy

So it is all our fault for abuse cat by declaw but feed cat, take good care of cat, and provide cat a home?

I am speechless.

dreama · 11-02-2007, 04:45 PM

I also think it is extremely cruel to declaw cats.

I'm so glad it is illigal in England. If people don't want a cat with claws they should not get a cat at all.

I'm also against tail docking and debarking of dogs. My first guide dog had no tail because he was meant to be a show dog. He had to got into early retirement because of his problem with agression.

dreama · 11-02-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RebelGirl

If I was hurting people or jeopardizing in their lives by ruining their furnitures or any other things that can possibly need to be declawed then Yes i would want to.

I have no furniture in the chinchilla room and hardly any wallpaper either. With your logic it would justify me removing their teeth.

Fortunately for my chinchilla's I do not think like that. I have to put up with my chinchillas and their less then desirable behavior. I think the same should apply to cat owners too. When I had a cat I would never dream of having him declawed. He used to find it amusing to chuck things off shelves and sometimes they broke or my dog chewed them up. I lost a lot of models that way. You just can't be too materialistic if you live with other animals.

dreama · 11-02-2007, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Audiofuzzy

yep, personal choice to abuse an animal, or not.

Fuzzy

Good point. The fact some people seem to think animal abuse is a personal choice is to me extremely shocking.

VanG · 11-02-2007, 08:26 PM

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Have you read Opal´s link?

Yes, I did. I will say that Petsmart and Banifield doesn't give any damn about that feeling because they wants $$$$$. I used to work there for a while so I am glad I quit.

Yes, I know what you mean... I doesn´t mean to point my finger to you but use "you" in general way... (I didn´t know before that you have pets).

None offensive taken! Smile! I used to have cat 2. 1 of them was declaw. Happy grew with declaw and she was just fine and being herself. I didn't ask for declaw. It was for my parents' belief. Diamond, He had claws and was outside cat. We don't mind to have him in our house but he was so mean and mean cat. He died by being shredded from farmer's machine.

To my suggestion...

I guess that US Veterinary Board are lazy to educate the pet owners to be how to take care of their future pets? Or make profit themselves from the pet owners to declaw the pets?

US Veterinary Board has Pro and Con to support Declaw and not to declaw. US Vet Board's job is not to educate pet owners but jos to educate student to be vet to educated owner. So mainly, it is DOCTOR's RESPONSIBLE.

What you said about cons/pros... health purposes? Can you care to explain the example the reason why they amputiere cat´s claw for? What´s an exact health purposes for?

Health purpose by Vet to make decision what right to declaw or keep it. One time, Dr. Cow turned down request to owner that she wanted to declaw cat for outside just because she hate to see cat digging in her garden. And Dr. Cow turned down on cat being declaw is because of blood problem in cat's vein. So Hope that answer for you but I am not Vet but that is what I know so far.

Cheri · 11-02-2007, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by VanG

So it is all our fault for abuse cat by declaw but feed cat, take good care of cat, and provide cat a home?

I am speechless.

If you don't think declaws is a form of abuse then that's all it matters, because I for one don't consider declaws as an abuse.

VanG · 11-02-2007, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

If you don't think declaws is a form of abuse then that's all it matters, because I for one don't consider declaws as an abuse.

No I don't think declaw is not a form of abuse. I am just being sarcastic about what fuzzy said. I was thinking. Declaw is abusing animal? that meant we feed cats, take care of cat is a form of abusing? I am just stunned at the comment. That is all. Sorry for misunderstood.

Audiofuzzy · 11-03-2007, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by VanG

So it is all our fault for abuse cat by declaw but feed cat, take good care of cat, and provide cat a home?

I am speechless.

If declawing is not abuse, then why is it banned in some countries?
besides, it's my personal opinion that declawing is an abuse, I don't speak for anybody else. and looks like not only mine opinion - in those COUNTRIES where it is considered illegal, they seem to think so too...

Fuzzy

Audiofuzzy · 11-03-2007, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by VanG

No I don't think declaw is not a form of abuse. I am just being sarcastic about what fuzzy said. I was thinking. Declaw is abusing animal? that meant we feed cats, take care of cat is a form of abusing? I am just stunned at the comment. That is all. Sorry for misunderstood.

If you feed your pet, take care if your pet, and then kick it - is it not an abuse because after all you feed it and care for it?

Fuzzy

GarnetTigerMom · 11-03-2007, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Audiofuzzy

yep, personal choice to abuse an animal, or not.

Fuzzy

How is that abuse when you take a cat to a vet to have it remove? I don't see a law says can't declaw a cat. But remember it their personal choice what they want to do for the cat.

GarnetTigerMom · 11-03-2007, 01:34 AM

Abuse is more like straving an animals or kicking the animals or putting them into animals fight for sports or throwing an live animals in the river or burying them alive is abuse yes. For Declawing by a vet is not abuse. As long as people want a cat to be indoor cat then they are safe, But if you want to let the cat to be outdoor type then don't declaw them simple as that.

Audiofuzzy · 11-03-2007, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by GarnetTigerMom

Abuse is more like straving an animals or kicking the animals or putting them into animals fight for sports or throwing an live animals in the river or burying them alive is abuse yes. For Declawing by a vet is not abuse. As long as people want a cat to be indoor cat then they are safe, But if you want to let the cat to be outdoor type then don't declaw them simple as that.

Then why some countries banned declawing, and made it illegal?

Fuzzy

Audiofuzzy · 11-03-2007, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by GarnetTigerMom

How is that abuse when you take a cat to a vet to have it remove? I don't see a law says can't declaw a cat. But remember it their personal choice what they want to do for the cat.

oh, like they are no sick bastard vets out there who kick animals or outright torture them?

as for the declawing laws, see here:

The following is a list of countries in which declawing cats is either illegal
or considered extremely inhumane and only performed under
extreme circumstances.

DECLAWING: What You Need to Know

Fuzzy

Audiofuzzy · 11-03-2007, 04:09 AM

Understand what is declawing, with pictures:

DECLAWING: What You Need to Know

it's just HORRIFIC.

"Declawing is actually an amputation of the last joint of your cat's "toes". When you envision that, it becomes clear why declawing is not a humane act. It is a painful surgery, with a painful recovery period. And remember that during the time of recuperation from the surgery your cat would still have to use its feet to walk, jump, and scratch in its litter box regardless of the pain it is experiencing."
Christianne Schelling, DVM

Fuzzy

11-02-2007, 08:51 AM	#100 (permalink)
GalaxyAngel That's me! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ontario,Canada Posts: 13,436	AudioFuzzy, Whatever if you so called them whoever cruel abuse their cat declawed.. I don't give you a damn... I don't judge you about every per details which you kept tend throwing their mouths again.. You have to respect them everyone who prefer not declawed or declawed. sigh Seems you not even care all you want war w/other AD'ers about this topic. Ridcouisly! __________________ Parents' proud of Logan.

11-02-2007, 04:45 PM	#103 (permalink)
dreama deafblind vegan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: England Posts: 583	I also think it is extremely cruel to declaw cats. I'm so glad it is illigal in England. If people don't want a cat with claws they should not get a cat at all. I'm also against tail docking and debarking of dogs. My first guide dog had no tail because he was meant to be a show dog. He had to got into early retirement because of his problem with agression. __________________ Animal testing destroys lives. http://vivisection-absurd.org.uk/menu.html

11-03-2007, 01:34 AM	#112 (permalink)
GarnetTigerMom Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 4,583	Abuse is more like straving an animals or kicking the animals or putting them into animals fight for sports or throwing an live animals in the river or burying them alive is abuse yes. For Declawing by a vet is not abuse. As long as people want a cat to be indoor cat then they are safe, But if you want to let the cat to be outdoor type then don't declaw them simple as that. __________________ GarnetTigerMom "The rain may be falling hard outside, But your smile makes it all alright. I'm so glad that you're my friend. I know our friendship will never end." -- Robert Alan

11-03-2007, 04:09 AM	#115 (permalink)
Audiofuzzy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,969	Understand what is declawing, with pictures: DECLAWING: What You Need to Know it's just HORRIFIC. "Declawing is actually an amputation of the last joint of your cat's "toes". When you envision that, it becomes clear why declawing is not a humane act. It is a painful surgery, with a painful recovery period. And remember that during the time of recuperation from the surgery your cat would still have to use its feet to walk, jump, and scratch in its litter box regardless of the pain it is experiencing." Christianne Schelling, DVM Fuzzy __________________ Truth breeds hatred. ~Bias of Priene, Maxims A 'No' uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a 'Yes' merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble. Mohandas Gandhi

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11-01-2007, 09:27 PM	#95 (permalink)
IslandGal Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sunshine State Posts: 4,158	Close your eyes and pretend you are a cat....would you want to go through with the declawings on yourself? The link that Liebling provided may be old but the procedures of the declawing are still the same as today.

11-01-2007, 10:06 PM	#97 (permalink)
IslandGal Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sunshine State Posts: 4,158	I do understand what they are saying about it being personal choice when it comes to declawing their cats but what about the cat's choice? It cannot make choices because they cannot speak out. They may be just animals but they do have feelings like human beings do. I am sure they do not want to go through the pain of being declawed and I know I don't want to either. If I were a cat and I hurt people or tore up furnitures then I would rather have my owner to have me to live outdoors instead of having my paw tips amputated. Not all declawings are successful, you know? While your cat is happy but my Aunt's cat and several others were the unlucky ones.