Never ever declaw a cat... - Page 2

VanG · 10-29-2007, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RebelGirl

laser Declaw is a much better option to choose from.. less pain, less bleeding and quicker to heal.

Yes, laser does help a lot and less pain. Same with fixing and spay. This is new modern medication for lessen pain for declaw.

VanG · 10-29-2007, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaitin

From The CatSite:

Like most well-intentioned people, they didn't understand the extent of declawing- it's not just a manicure. The entire claw, tendon, bone and ligament to the first knuckle of each joint is amputated. It is a major trauma, with long-lasting repercussions.

During the procedure, the cat's paw is extended. Large nail clippers, similar to pruning shears, crunch through the joint. Hemostats- clamping scissors- help tear the joint away from the paw. The bloody stump is cleaned, and an adhesive is squeezed into the gaping hole where the cat's toe had been. Pressure is applied to stop the bleeding and the paw is bandaged.

Examine your own hand, palm up. Look for the crease at your first knuckle. That's where the clippers crush down to amputate. Imagine having all ten of your fingertips chopped off. If they were your fingers and toes, there's no one on earth who could possibly tell you that "...soon you'll be good as new."

People who think declawing will solve one problem, are often surprised to learn this: Declawing often starts a chain reaction of medical and psychological disasters. Please don't declaw. The possible benefits rarely outweigh the probable negatives. These include:

* Increase in biting- Because their first defenses - claws- are gone, declawed cats often respond to stress, and even play, by biting.
* Litter box problems- Cats cover over their deposits. But when they feel pain in their paws, as Annie Bruce, cat behavior consultant and author of "Good Cats Wear Black" reports, declawed cats are far more likely to urinate outside the litter box than cats with claws. Dr. Kimberly Harrison in Colorado, collected data on cats with litter box problems that were not medically related- 90% were declawed cats.
* A declawed cat can NEVER safely go outdoors. Because he can't fight, a declawed cat will try to escape, usually by running up a tree, and they need front claws to do that. A declawed cat is an easy target for all kinds of predators.
* Scratching is a natural behavior. Declawing does not change the need to scratch.
* Personality change- Once subjected to this trauma, many cats have residual, 'phantom pain,' similar to what a human experiences after amputation. They may distrust the person responsible for such pain- you. Or drastic personality changes can occur- after declawing, that gentle tabby becomes a temperamental tiger.
* Medical studies have only started to document the long-term problems - debilitating arthritis, and pain in the knee and hip joints, because of structural changes from loss of that first knuckle.

Declawing has absolutely no health benefits to the cat. It's done for human convenience, not feline consideration. Many veterinarians recognize that declawing is inhumane, and won't perform the surgery. In Australia, England, Finland, Norway, Spain, Portugal, New Zealand, and many other countries, where it is considered inhumane, declawing is illegal. Educate-don't mutilate.

I don't think people declaw to hurt their cats, but I think it hurts. It is not meant as abuse and is not like hitting a cat. But it is not humane. When I volunteered at the Humane Society they asked people not to declaw. Yes, better than killing the cat because of clawing, but still cruel. JMO.

Vaccines are separate.

From the Humane Society: Declawing cats: More than a manicure

Too often people believe that declawing is a simple surgery that removes a cat's nails, the equivalent of a person having her fingernails trimmed. Sadly, this is far from the truth. Declawing traditionally involves the amputation of the last bone of each toe and, if performed on a human being, it would be comparable to cutting off each finger at the last knuckle.

Declawing can leave cats with a painful healing process, long-term health issues, and numerous behavior problems. This is especially unfortunate because declawing is an owner-elected procedure and unnecessary for the vast majority of cats.

This is kinda harsh quote from website. Personally, there are pro and con and it is depending upon you and your cat. I don't follow what website said because Angel's cats are doing fine without claw. I really know this is biggest debate. If you don't like declaw the cat. Use it for outside or don't get it at all. If you like cats to be indoor and want to save furniture but don't want to declaw it. All I can say is find a way to prevent the furniture but at least 85 percent of cats still think furniture is their way of marking their "MY OWN!" on furniture which is common happen in America's household.

VanG · 10-29-2007, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Audiofuzzy

People who have limbs amputated don't always get infections either.
Just because some cats don't get infections from declawing doesn't make it any less INHUMANE.
Declawing a cat is inhumane, cruel abuse for this simple reason - it's like amputating a fingers with part of a hand in human.

It's CRUEL CRUEL CRUEL. no if and buts about it

Fuzzy

I know what you mean. There are many people's opinions about declaw or keep it. But I must remind you and other people. Mistreating the cats is more inhumane than declaw because of my experience of attending to court and tell them what I observed on cats being treated inhumane. So I will say this. Mistreating the cats are inhumne than declaw cats are way different. But I agree with you about if you don't want furniture to be scratchmark or don't like the idea of declaw then DON'T GET CAT!

ladycaissa · 10-30-2007, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Audiofuzzy

People who have limbs amputated don't always get infections either.
Just because some cats don't get infections from declawing doesn't make it any less INHUMANE.
Declawing a cat is inhumane, cruel abuse for this simple reason - it's like amputating a fingers with part of a hand in human.

It's CRUEL CRUEL CRUEL. no if and buts about it

Fuzzy

It is inhumane, but sometimes you have no choice. My cat won't give cuddles to anyone else but me. He has choosen me and refuses to have anyone else. I had to declaw him or else I'd end up shredded up in bits.

hohDougRN · 10-30-2007, 12:55 AM

Yup, cats and furniture don't go well together. haha. We also adopted a cat few yrs back that was declawed and he had long infections in his paws. It made me so sad to see it suffer at times.

Cheri · 10-30-2007, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by VanG

Mistreating the cats are inhumne than declaw cats are way different.!

Agreed! I've actually seen cats being mistreated because they were clawing the furniture, banished, or put outside. I don't think indoors cats being declaw are inhumne. I rather to see cats being kept indoors than outdoors, that's just my opinion.

Liebling:-))) · 10-30-2007, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel

I did tried the soft paws at first, they were drive themselves crazy trying to take them off with their teeth.

Yes, the posters from several forums said the same thing what you said here when I asked them for their cons/pros feedback over soft paws because it´s new to me. After received their most negative feeback, I check with my Vet on this and want to know why we don´t have any soft paws here in Germany. Her replied is: Why soft paws for? I was like ooohhhhh... just wondering... She asked: What´s wrong with train cat to scratch on the scratching post like what we did train our children to not do that.... It belongs good patience. I was like yeah...

Liebling:-))) · 10-30-2007, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by horselover61

I have 3 cats and in the past too and I never declawed them.

Yes, I myself have 3 indoor cats and don´t declaw them. I trained them to scratch on scratching posts.

Liebling:-))) · 10-30-2007, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by GalaxyAngel

Not my business.. as long their respect wishes.. declaws or non-declaws cats..

I have two cats still have their claws.. mostly loved stayed outside nearby my sunroom. My cats already damaged my furniture one of them.. Sadly I've been trainned my cat to stop scratching on my furniture sofa.. Kept directly to scratch post but never used.. think it's bored their toy..

I'm glad my two cats are loved to stay outside which it's great.. doesn't want go inside my house.. I have no idea why two cats changed their behaviored and loving stay outside nearby my sunroom.

Question: Did you have scratching posts for the cats to use? If yes, you keep on let your cats know that scratching posts are only one they are allowing to scratch. You show your cats and add their claws gentle *scratch* *scratch* on scratching post.. then your cats will know that you allow them to scratch on that scratching post.

Just use water spray to let your cats know that you don´t like them scratch your sofa or whatever... or said "NO" with raise voice to them.

My 3 cats like to eat some of plants... I sprayed with water to put them off and know I don´t like them to eat my plants.

Liebling:-))) · 10-30-2007, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by LakeTahoe

I don't believe having cats get declawed. If cat accidentally escaped outside and had to protect her/himself. So I prefer leave it alone. If you want a cat, get a kitten and TRAIN the kitten not to touch the couch or anything...get a scratching post for the cat. My friend did called one of the vet and said that having cats get declawing is cruel so she dropped having her get declaw and trained her not to damage the furnitures. So far she did great!

So it is every owner's business what she/he want to do with her/his kittens/cats.

Exactly! That´s what I did the same with my 4 cats (now 3 cats).

Liebling:-))) · 10-30-2007, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

I'm sure there are humane ways to declaw a cat. You should only declaw the front and not the back claws. If you declaw the back claws then the cat will have no way to defend itself incase it gets outside and into a fight.

How do they really defend themselves with only back feet?

The cats use their claws and teeth to defend themselves and to fight, not just back feet.

Liebling:-))) · 10-30-2007, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ladycaissa

I am actually very much against declawing cats, but with my cat I had no choice. When my cat cuddles with me, he likes to dig behind my head. When he did this, he would leave scratch marks all over my scalp, neck and my ear. I gave him 6 months to learn not to do so. The final draw was when he got deep into my ear and manage to scratch the ear canal.

I choose to get his front claws declawed because he wouldn't learn and stop. To this day I am glad I did so because he still does dig. I no longer have claw marks all over my scalp, neck and ear.

He's had no health problems due to being declawed. Nor has my roommate's cat. They are both perfectly healthy cats.

So as for declawing cats. It's a personal choice. It's a choice that everyone should seriously sit down and debate on weither it's good for both the cat and you. Give the cat time to learn to stop a certain behavior you don't want them to do.

Yes, my all cats did the same... Example - They used their claws when they sat on my lap... I said to them NO... they ignored me so I took them off from my lap to let them know that they should leave me alone... They also scratch my back when they climbed up to my shoulder... They doesn´t mean to scratch to hurt me but want to defend themselves from fall down ... I told them NO... Ooccchhh... I removed them off... They know that I don´t like it when I refused to cuddle them or let them to sit on my lap for few days... They knew that I don´t like and they use without their claws when they jumped on my lap and sleep... but gentle claws to make themselves comfortable. If anyone who want to become cat owner then they need to search to find out how/what they take care of them before adopt them.

I respect your opinion but I would like to ask you a question. I hope you don´t mind.

Accord your post, Is it punishment to declaw your cat that´s because he do not listen you for long 6 months? Right?

Liebling:-))) · 10-30-2007, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by VanG

This is kinda harsh quote from website.

I don´t agree that it´s harsh but fact which is good education for us.

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Personally, there are pro and con and it is depending upon you and your cat.

Depend on your good patience to train your pet in postive way.

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All I can say is find a way to prevent the furniture but at least 85 percent of cats still think furniture is their way of marking their "MY OWN!" on furniture which is common happen in America's household.

common? Your description sound that they unaware how to take care of their pets or train their pets to do or not do that.

I would advise the pet owners to search first how to take care of their future pets and train them before adopt them.

Declaw are being banned in many countries in the world including Germany.

It´s not hard to train cats to scratch on the scratching posts. If you decide to adopt the kitten then prepare the scratching posts in your household before bring new kitten home. You can train your children to do or not do that... It does the same with pets as well.

Angel · 10-30-2007, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Yes, the posters from several forums said the same thing what you said here when I asked them for their cons/pros feedback over soft paws because it´s new to me. After received their most negative feeback, I check with my Vet on this and want to know why we don´t have any soft paws here in Germany. Her replied is: Why soft paws for? I was like ooohhhhh... just wondering... She asked: What´s wrong with train cat to scratch on the scratching post like what we did train our children to not do that.... It belongs good patience. I was like yeah...

I'm not surprised that their cats did the exactly same thing cause ALL of my cats did too but not Luckystar cause she was declawed when she was a kitten so she hasn't wored them, I thought maybe one would do it, but nope. I honestly don't know why they call it " soft paws " but they're not soft as I thought they were, they're plastic...we had to glue them into their claws and it was very frustrated trying to put them on each claw, they kept moving around like crazy...LOL

Angel · 10-30-2007, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by VanG

This is kinda harsh quote from website. Personally, there are pro and con and it is depending upon you and your cat. I don't follow what website said because Angel's cats are doing fine without claw. I really know this is biggest debate. If you don't like declaw the cat. Use it for outside or don't get it at all. If you like cats to be indoor and want to save furniture but don't want to declaw it. All I can say is find a way to prevent the furniture but at least 85 percent of cats still think furniture is their way of marking their "MY OWN!" on furniture which is common happen in America's household.

VanG and I agreed...

Liebling:-))) · 10-30-2007, 04:34 AM

I noticed some of you tried to compare declaw cats with neuter/spaying and vaccines which I respectfully disagreed.

I can't even believe that you can compare neuter/spaying, vaccines with declaw. I am trying to be polite to make my post here to aviod drama.

First of all, neuter/spaying and vaccines are not amputation but clean procedure.

The cats are being force/punish to declaw because they damaged their owners´furniture or scratch them... It look like a punishment to me. (IMO).

I would compare cat declaw with human finger tips, not Neuter/spaying and vaccines. Is it okay to cut human´s finger tips that´s because they scratch you or damage your furniture? What´s wrong to train human and animal to not do that?

Neuter/spaying and vaccines issues are not the same thing as declaw issues.

Liebling:-))) · 10-30-2007, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel

I'm not surprised that their cats did the exactly same thing cause ALL of my cats did too but not Luckystar cause she was declawed when she was a kitten so she hasn't wored them, I thought maybe one would do it, but nope. I honestly don't know why they call it " soft paws " but they're not soft as I thought they were, they're plastic...we had to glue them into their claws and it was very frustrated trying to put them on each claw, they kept moving around like crazy...LOL

not soft paw but plastic...

glue "soft paw" into their claws? GLUE???? It sound toxic to me? I thought "soft paw" is like gloves and do itself automaic after try to wear "gloves" on their claw.

Angel · 10-30-2007, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

not soft paw but plastic...

glue "soft paw" into their claws? GLUE???? It sound toxic to me? I thought "soft paw" is like gloves and do itself automaic after try to wear "gloves" on their claw.

I thought the same thing as you did, thinking they were like little mittens so that's why we asked the lady at pet mart if they were soft paws as it said so on the box, and yes it came with small glue tube.. There were others kinds of soft paws too.. Tiger our cat had one of his claw ripped out after he pulled them out from his teeth, so we called the vet about it and she asked us if it was bleeding we didn't see any blood coming out, she said if it gets infected or start bleeding to take him in right away, sometime nail will grow bk which it did a couple weeks later, the vet also suggest us not to use them anymore since cats do rip them out and doesn't stay on longer either...

Sorry I got to go....

GalaxyAngel · 10-30-2007, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Question: Did you have scratching posts for the cats to use? If yes, you keep on let your cats know that scratching posts are only one they are allowing to scratch. You show your cats and add their claws gentle *scratch* *scratch* on scratching post.. then your cats will know that you allow them to scratch on that scratching post.

Just use water spray to let your cats know that you don´t like them scratch your sofa or whatever... or said "NO" with raise voice to them.

My 3 cats like to eat some of plants... I sprayed with water to put them off and know I don´t like them to eat my plants.

Yes, I did several times and tried to training my cats.. seems so strong quite stubborn.. I raised my voice and kept them stop scratching my furnitures.. I encourged them use scratching post. Rest of my Cats think it's boring toy. Ugh.. I gave it up.. I'm glad two cats loves stayed outside of sunroom that where sun rayed on their body... *felt so good*

(chuckles)
Saved my bell... Have not gone scratched on my furnitures since a year from now.. I'm glad cats loves stayed sunroom.. which it's great news!

Defee · 10-30-2007, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I've had several declawed (front only) indoor cats, and none of them got arthritis, infections, or any other side effects from the procedure. My last kitty died of old age.

Yeah, same here...My dad was a cat lover, especially Siamese
cats and he always had them declawed cuz he wanted to keep
them indoors as he thought they would be healthier if they stayed
indoors. Oh he had them spayed/neutered of course. And they
never got infections, arthritiis or nothing from being declawed, thats
why im so puzzled by this thread about cats getting infections,
deformed or whatever! Wow, thats news to me!

I suspect that maybe some vets may not have done the procedures
correctly or something if declawing didnt go right or something..
it happens. Not all vets are very good, ya know?

Kaitin · 10-30-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I noticed some of you tried to compare declaw cats with neuter/spaying and vaccines which I respectfully disagreed.

I can't even believe that you can compare neuter/spaying, vaccines with declaw. I am trying to be polite to make my post here to aviod drama.

First of all, neuter/spaying and vaccines are not amputation but clean procedure.

The cats are being force/punish to declaw because they damaged their owners´furniture or scratch them... It look like a punishment to me. (IMO).

I would compare cat declaw with human finger tips, not Neuter/spaying and vaccines. Is it okay to cut human´s finger tips that´s because they scratch you or damage your furniture? What´s wrong to train human and animal to not do that?

Neuter/spaying and vaccines issues are not the same thing as declaw issues.

Good reply, Liebling. And polite I think.

Audiofuzzy · 10-30-2007, 01:46 PM

Even if some lucky cats does not suffer it's like amputating fingers and hands in a human. Sure it will heal but so what.

Fuzzy

Reba · 10-30-2007, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Defee

10-30-2007, 12:55 AM	#35 (permalink)
hohDougRN Go ATL BRAVES! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: utah Posts: 1,046	Yup, cats and furniture don't go well together. haha. We also adopted a cat few yrs back that was declawed and he had long infections in his paws. It made me so sad to see it suffer at times. __________________ *Doug*

10-30-2007, 04:34 AM	#46 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) me in Springfield, IL '07 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 24,001	I noticed some of you tried to compare declaw cats with neuter/spaying and vaccines which I respectfully disagreed. I can't even believe that you can compare neuter/spaying, vaccines with declaw. I am trying to be polite to make my post here to aviod drama. First of all, neuter/spaying and vaccines are not amputation but clean procedure. The cats are being force/punish to declaw because they damaged their owners´furniture or scratch them... It look like a punishment to me. (IMO). I would compare cat declaw with human finger tips, not Neuter/spaying and vaccines. Is it okay to cut human´s finger tips that´s because they scratch you or damage your furniture? What´s wrong to train human and animal to not do that? Neuter/spaying and vaccines issues are not the same thing as declaw issues. __________________ sniffing you

10-30-2007, 01:46 PM	#52 (permalink)
Audiofuzzy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,969	Even if some lucky cats does not suffer it's like amputating fingers and hands in a human. Sure it will heal but so what. Fuzzy __________________ Truth breeds hatred. ~Bias of Priene, Maxims A 'No' uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a 'Yes' merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble. Mohandas Gandhi

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