Discuss about dangerous dogs - Page 4

Foxrac · 04-16-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SxyPorkie

In Florida... it is illegal to own pitbulls.. if caught.. the owners will be fined heavily and put pitbulls to sleep...

Not really, it does banned in several cities.

Just like over USA, it does banned in Denver, some part of NYC and other seveal cities but Chicago and NYC (except for Harlem, Queens and Bronx are already banned) are considering to banned in over citywide, also it does banned in several neighborhood in Chicago right now.
Pit Bull - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It does banned in UK, that's nationwide.

Foxrac · 04-16-2007, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LeezaC

Hi, this is for everyone to read:
I would like to point out some things about dogs of every breed. I am not very comfortable whenever I see a big dog. It is because I am in a wheelchair. I am sure that any of you would disagree because a lot of disabled people have big dogs trained as a guidance dog. I would STILL feel uncomfortable. Pitbulls for example, they might need special kind of training to behave properly. Oftentimes, trained or nontrained pitbulls like us humans can throw a short fuse for [strong]NO[/strong] reason; they get real aggressive and go on a rampage to look for something to "destroy". I read the newspaper daily I'd often see stories of a pitbull or pitbulls mauling people somewhere outside of the neighborhood. Especially in my hometown in California where I live, there was a young little girl, she got mauled badly by a pitbull. She was bitten on her cheek. She was required to have many stitches on her face because of the size of a pitbull's mouth so huge. A pitbull's jaw is the most powerful weapon which can severely harm or kill. As of recently, state of California will prohibit to be pitbull owners or pitbull owners from owning a pitbull. It is not definite yet but will be soon.

Of course, pitbulls have social issues to deal with they demand to get so much attention. People view pitbulls as a bad image of being a bad and dangerous dog among other breeds.

My Two Cents,
LeezaC

Ouch, I understand about your feeling.

I would happy for you if it does banned in CA but Vodka will going to be unhappy about it.

GalaxyAngel · 04-16-2007, 02:20 PM

Hey Pacman..

Really wasting your time..
no need debate them..

Likely EVERY DOGS ARE DANGEROUS period rest of case because still counts..

I do understand you have fear one kind of dog.. but other people thinks you're losing marble mind.. Not worth to debate w/them.. some of people aren't understand.. their choice their own problem.. not you
understand
no need debate w/them who have dangerous dog!

let them go.. useless..
I'm tell you ya..

nozobo · 04-16-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacman

Not really, it does banned in several cities.

Just like over USA, it does banned in Denver...

That's right, there was many occurrence happening from time to time so it has to stop in Denver. I dont blame people around here but it's the owner's responsiblity...

Spock · 04-16-2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacman

Are you high? You have NO respect in my opinion, like other people does.

I have admit that pitbull is #1 most dangerous dogs in USA, that right for my opinion.

Now, you are just ignorant... whatever...

I noticed you posting this to Cane Corso, and no she's not being ignorant.

It is in the training and treatment of dogs that usually defines the way they will treat people. If a dog was bullied by kids while it was a puppy, it will probably grow a fear or dislike for kids.

The stature (physical appearance) of Rotweillers makes them dogs that owners like to train for guard dogs, due to their muscular appearance. Their appearance attracts aggressive owners who like to use them for such purposes, and is it any wonder that they can be really aggressive dogs?

Sometimes, memories from previous generations are passed on to offspring. If a dog had parents that were trained to be cattle dogs, that dog will unconsciously exhibit cattle dog behavior even without ever being trained or ever seeing such behavior. I have personally seen such cases many times.

Is it the breed itself that makes the dog more likely to be aggressive, or its programming from previous generations plus the attitude of the dogs' owners?

In other words, is it really the dog's fault if it exhibits such behavior, or is it the owner's fault?

Thinking of the pitbull as the #1 most dangerous dog in the USA is an example of a belief that may be based on misconceptions about the dog itself. You should be blaming the owner's behavior towards the dog instead of the dog itself, because the owner's behavior may be what caused the dog to become an aggressive breed.

Alex already pointed out it was the owner's attitude towards the dog that he believes to be the main problem.

What is so hard to understand about this?

Cane Corso is not being ignorant...she is just pointing out why it's not correct to simply call a dog a dangerous breed, but to understand first why the dog may be perceived as such. It is not necessarily the dog's fault, and a generalization such as calling the dog a dangerous breed is most likely the result of a prejudice against the dog. Avoid prejudices at all cost.

Bringing up that the dog is a dangerous breed without understanding why it behaves as it does, but to simply say it bites and attacks, is to imply that it's the dog's fault to begin with.

In this respect, Cane Corso is only protecting the dog and trying to help you understand it's not the dog's fault and not to mislead other people about this.

Cane Corso · 04-16-2007, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cane Corso

Cane Corso...

No, You are wrong!!! It was from pitbull, also I know about in last 10 years ago.

It's same as like other pitbulls on pictures then quit to think that 100% of pitbulls are innocent.

You aren't my momma or whatever...

Huh it was dork for you to tell me that I am not your mommy. I don't want to be your mother because you seem to have a nasty personality and a bit too judgemental. If you are truly myson, it sounds like I had you when I was a baby or was not even born yet. I am sure I am too young to be your mom. Completely foolish dude.

There is ONLY one dog who is truly a pitbull in the picture so I bet you pick out the wrong one many times. I bet you think you are that ingelligent when it comes to identify a breed. Since you got kinda pissy, you gave me a nice nasty comment that I wasn't your mom. lt shows that you could not identify the correct picture so you had to get that nasty. Well, this is an example of breed ignorant.

Cane Corso · 04-16-2007, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Oh I plan on doing that..i kept telling him no no whenever he would dart for the dog..made it hard for me to watch the game..grrr. My son is only 17 months old. My daughter already knows not to approach dogs without my permission. My son, I just have to keep him at bay and tell him no no. Makes things harder on me cuz I want to WATCH my daughter play not worry about the stupid dog around my son. ugh!!!

I am glad that you do realize how important to tell your kids not to run up to any dogs. I know that young kids from the age 2 to 6 are not easy to handle. Good lucky trying to keep them away from all dogs. I hope most dogs you will meet are nice ones.

Angel · 04-16-2007, 06:58 PM

Most Dangerous Dog: Pit Bull Bans Raise Questions

CBS) CHICAGO Mention a pit bull these days, and many people will react with fear. The breed brings to mind a number of recent attacks on humans and some lawmakers are even calling for a pit bull ban.

But are they the most dangerous dog?

CBS 2's Dana Kozlov has the good, the bad and the ugly side of this controversial canine.

Wes Alicea breeds pit bulls. Apocalypse is one of his dogs, and Alicea insists his pit bulls would never hurt anyone.

"They are loving, loyal, friendly," he said.

But in the last two weeks alone, pit bulls have been responsible for three attacks on humans, including the vicious mauling of six people in Cary. Brooks Foley displays the tears he suffered at the jaws of those dogs. His 10-year-old son was left in critical condition.

“And they were going to kill me, that's were they were going to do,” Foley said.

So what, if anything, about this breed makes them so dangerous?

“Genetically, these dogs can be, and have the ability to be, an aggressive animal," said Dr. Sheldon Rubin, chief of staff at Blum Animal Hospital.

In fact, the original purpose of the breed was to fight other dogs. Today's pit bull is actually a mix of the American bulldog with the Staffordshire terrier, making it very muscular and powerful. The result?

"As a breed that has been bred over the generations to be dog aggressive, they don't bite another dog just to show them superiority. They will bite until that other dog is down," Rubin said.

And when they bite a human Dr. Rubin says it will likely use its strong jaw to clamp down and not let go.

Animal activists say many pit bulls today are being raised as fighters for sport or weapons by gang bangers. But PAWS Chicago founder and chairman Paula Fasseas insists pit bulls are not vicious by nature.

"It's because of the people that are the guardians of them. The owners. They are totally irresponsible and they are not socializing them," Fasseas said.

Dr. Rubin and Wes Aliceas echo that sentiment, and stress the importance of strict training and socialization of pit bulls at a young age. Spaying or neutering is also essential.

"There has never been a known fatality, human fatality, by a dog that was fixed," Fasseas said.

Ultimately, they believe any dog can be dangerous -- if not deadly -- and any pit bull can be a good pet if raised properly.

"There are dogs for every type of person. If you are a humble person, not dominant enough, then you don't want a pit bull," Aliceas said.

Most animal professionals we spoke with are against any type of ban on pit bulls or any breed. But that is an ongoing debate right now.

Experts also stress the importance of researching a dog before adopting it. You can call your local shelter or vet for help in behavior testing a dog for any aggressive tendencies.

Viewers can access the American Veterinary Medical Association's "Community Approach to Dog Bite Prevention" at American Veterinary Medical Association. It discusses the problems with breed specific legislation and what prompts dogs to bite.

The American Veterinary Society of Animal Behaviorists also has a web site with members listed. It is avsab.us. But obviously a behavior problem is something that requires immediate attention.

The American College of Veterinary Behaviorist have a website at www.dacvb.org. Their members are Board Certified by the American College of Veterinary Behaviorists.

Certified Behaviorist recommended by PAWS
Valerie J. Chalcraft, Ph.D.
Applied Animal Behavior
731 W. 18th Street, #11
Chicago, IL 60616
phone: 312-391-5537
email: info@appliedanimalbehavior.com
Applied Animal Behavior

(© MMV, CBS Broadcasting, Inc. All Rights Reserved.)

cbs2chicago.com - Most Dangerous Dog: Pit Bull Bans Raise Questions

It's true that any dogs can be dangerous and yet other dogs don't have strong jaw to clamp down and not let go like pit bulls do and that may makes pitbull the most dangerous one....that's explain why many people are fear of pit bulls more than any other breeds, and people are not only trying to pin point the blame on pitbuls but knowing that there are increase of numbers of pitbull attacks on humans and other pets more than any other breeds, seem that the pet owners are adopting pitbulls for the wrong reason, they should researching more on pitbulls before adopting them..

I know I have made a promise not to bring up about pitbull but then again I can't sit here and let people thinks that every dogs out there can clamp down a human or a pet and not let go....I personally think that pet owners need to think twice about adopting dogs if they are truly serious of taken care of them, cause it not fair to have innocent children or pets being attacked or killed just cause some owners did not keep their dogs uncontrol...lastly but not at least, a dangerous breed needs the type of owner who will respondsibly raise the dog in a good environment....

Cane Corso · 04-16-2007, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacman

Are you high? You have NO respect in my opinion, like other people does.

I have admit that pitbull is #1 most dangerous dogs in USA, that right for my opinion.

Now, you are just ignorant... whatever...

Oh really, I think it reflects on you more than me since you have a poor understanding about what dogs are all about. You only focus on what kind it was, rather than the personality of the dog or how the owner disciplines the dog properly. I feel sorry for you because you can not see that for yourself. I know you can not open your mind to see the difference so you only can see one color. If a black man raped your wife, it sounds like you would think that all black men are evil. Just like how you see a pit-bull because you had one bad case with it. Whatever anything bad happened to you, it scarred your mind forever and you can not get over that.

I do not think you understand when I tried to explain about the having a dog that a person can control and cannot control. This makes the biggest difference in handling a dominant/ powerful breed. When a person can control the dog 100%, there is NO reason to get rid of that dog whether if it's a rottweilier or pit-bull. If a thief pointed a gun at you, a trained pit-bull came to you rescue. How will you view that? Maybe it does not happen, but there are pit bulls who are drug detectors that work for the police department. They did their jobs marvelous well. When a BSL law passed, unfortunately these police dogs will have to dispose. I tell you, many owners who have these dogs do not take the time to train properly their dogs or understand how to replace things like their natural protectiveness or habit.

Example, Lab was bred to hunt ducks and small animals so hunters had to teach the lab not to eat them. The hunters do not want the dog to maul the duck when it holds in the mouth. They only want the dog to retrieve the dead duck. One thing you have FAILED to understand this is, that these labs WILL eat the dead duck with out having the proper training just like an aggressive dog lacks a proper socialization and training. Owners who failed to realize that these dogs can get aggressive, they just stand there and do nothing. All they had to say was sorry my doggie bite you and he is not aggressive. Again, this is WRONG for the owner to bring out the aggressvie or nervous dog. Those labs were not born to be retriever, that skill has been exchanged from "Prey" to "Retriever." Since hunters know that they can not stop the lab's "prey" drive, they exchanged that to retriever. It works well, but takes hours to train labs not to eat ducks They start with a stuffed duck, before they try it on the real duck (Dead). Hunters already expect that their labs’ first two attempts will fail because they are more likely to eat the dead duck.

I have a cane corso. I can control him very well and he heels to me prefect good. When I walk beside him in heel position, he has to look up to my face. He does not look anywhere, but me only. He focuses on me only and my commands. He accepts and rejects anyone when I tell him to. He is NEVER allowed to act aggressive to ANYONE who does not show any threats, not even a person who walks funny, make funny weird noises, or dress in weird outfit with an evil mask. Yes he sounds like a robot that is waiting for my commands, but it makes me control him VERY easy. It means kids can run up to him and I know he would not harm them.

Heel position I talked about above here in the post
YouTube - Me doing obedience with Jake

French Ring
YouTube - PADOK FRENCH RING TRAINING 2006
YouTube - french ring

Cane Corso · 04-16-2007, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacman

Not really, it does banned in several cities.

Just like over USA, it does banned in Denver, some part of NYC and other seveal cities but Chicago and NYC (except for Harlem, Queens and Bronx are already banned) are considering to banned in over citywide, also it does banned in several neighborhood in Chicago right now.
Pit Bull - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It does banned in UK, that's nationwide.

yeah, i already know that. There is no state in the US has been banned yet so only small part of the cities and county.

Angel · 04-16-2007, 07:32 PM

I also have noticed from time to time where pet owners would say " my dog would never hurt anyone, they are loving, loyal, friendly, and get along with others"..then later on down the road, some of their dog end up attacking someone or a pet... hmmm

Angel · 04-16-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cane Corso

yeah, i already know that. There is no state in the US has been banned yet so only small part of the cities and county.

Umm he didn't quote your post so therefore he wasn't speaking to ya....

Cane Corso · 04-16-2007, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacman

Not really, it does banned in several cities.

Just like over USA, it does banned in Denver, some part of NYC and other seveal cities but Chicago and NYC (except for Harlem, Queens and Bronx are already banned) are considering to banned in over citywide, also it does banned in several neighborhood in Chicago right now.
Pit Bull - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It does banned in UK, that's nationwide.

Yeah, I am aware of that, but no state has banned the specific breed yet only a few cities and county.

Cane Corso · 04-16-2007, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel

I also have noticed from time to time where pet owners would say " my dog would never hurt anyone, they are loving, loyal, friendly, and get along with others"..then later on down the road, some of their dog end up attacking someone or a pet... hmmm

Yeah, I have seen that many times, and I considered myself above those average pet owners. My dogs have ScHh 1, TDI, TT, and CGC. Do owners have those kinds of titles? Do you know what they are?

ScHH1 title = must score above 70 points for tracking, 80 points for obedience, and 80 points for protection. If one of these area has failed, the dog will not recievfe a title period.

TT= Temperament Test
ATTS - American Temperament Test Society, Inc. - Home

CGC= Canine good citzen
AKC's Canine Good Citizen® (CGC) Program Sponsored by K9 Advantix®

TDI= Therapy Dog international
TDI therapy - Google Search

This is qualifed test for dogs to visit in the hospital, other places like hospice, etc.

Two of my dogs passed one of these titles.

shel90 · 04-16-2007, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cane Corso

I am glad that you do realize how important to tell your kids not to run up to any dogs. I know that young kids from the age 2 to 6 are not easy to handle. Good lucky trying to keep them away from all dogs. I hope most dogs you will meet are nice ones.

I love dogs and hopefully we will buy a house soon so we can get one. I am just not crazy with the idea of having children around strange dogs especially ones that are on the loose. I am not against dogs but if that woman knew her dog disliked men, then why bring it to a park full of people? I could tell that her dog was gentle with her children but something can go wrong when the dog is approached by a strange man and the dog ends up hurting the chidlren? Never know but why take that risk?

Cane Corso · 04-16-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Spock

Cane Corso is not being ignorant...she is just pointing out why it's not correct to simply call a dog a dangerous breed, but to understand first why the dog may be perceived as such. It is not necessarily the dog's fault, and a generalization such as calling the dog a dangerous breed is most likely the result of a prejudice against the dog. Avoid prejudices at all cost.

Bringing up that the dog is a dangerous breed without understanding why it behaves as it does, but to simply say it bites and attacks, is to imply that it's the dog's fault to begin with.

In this respect, Cane Corso is only protecting the dog and trying to help you understand it's not the dog's fault and not to mislead other people about this.

Thank you, this is my main goal to get everyone to understand. I know I can't change everyone's opinion, but I feel it was important for people to see this topic in a different light.

Cane Corso · 04-16-2007, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

if that woman knew her dog disliked men, then why bring it to a park full of people? I could tell that her dog was gentle with her children but something can go wrong when the dog is approached by a strange man and the dog ends up hurting the chidlren? Never know but why take that risk?

Yes, I agree completely. She was not making a very smart choice and she SHOULD not be having that kind of dog. She is putting kids in danger and other people too.

SxyPorkie · 04-16-2007, 08:12 PM

Does not matter who trains dogs or puppies...When my son was 7 yrs old.. he found sheltie pup half dead and brought her to me...I nursed her back to health..I was going to give her to good home.. but... she follows me around... i did not train her to be housebroken... she did herself... and i did not even train her to help me door knocks... she went to the door barking aloud...
One day my neighbor told me she saw a big bald guy standing in my patio jacking off... then i remembered she was barking like crazy.. i thought it was other dogs outside.. i ignored barks...
One night.. she barked like crazy.... it was dark in the patio.. so i turned on light saw that man running away... he never returned...

So i decided to keep her... very little trainings... but she bit anyone who comes near me .. even bit my kids for waking me up......

so one day we moved to other duplex.... one night it was dark.. my kids were upstairs sleeping.. my best friend and i played Scrabbles.. my dog wont stop barking ...she kept goint to the window and back to the door.....for about 15 minutes.... so i called police... police came.. asked me how did i know if someone is by the window.. i told them my dog told me... so one of police went outside checking ... he found the footprint by the window. in which my dog barked like crazy....

police said wow.. that good dog... asked me if i trained her.. i said no.. i just saved her life......
she was with me for 20 yrs... she passed away...

She was my first dog... I had no experience of training dogs..

So i believe any kinds of dogs do bites no matter if training or no training...

Angel · 04-16-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

.... I am not against dogs but if that woman knew her dog disliked men, then why bring it to a park full of people? I could tell that her dog was gentle with her children but something can go wrong when the dog is approached by a strange man and the dog ends up hurting the chidlren? Never know but why take that risk?

I agree, if she knew her dog wouldn't get along with other men, then she should have thought twice of bring her dog to park where there are going to be other people even children around...she may think nothing will happen but then again you never know....

Foxrac · 04-16-2007, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacman

Huh it was dork for you to tell me that I am not your mommy. I don't want to be your mother because you seem to have a nasty personality and a bit too judgemental. If you are truly myson, it sounds like I had you when I was a baby or was not even born yet. I am sure I am too young to be your mom. Completely foolish dude.

There is ONLY one dog who is truly a pitbull in the picture so I bet you pick out the wrong one many times. I bet you think you are that ingelligent when it comes to identify a breed. Since you got kinda pissy, you gave me a nice nasty comment that I wasn't your mom. lt shows that you could not identify the correct picture so you had to get that nasty. Well, this is an example of breed ignorant.

Oh please, you don't know about my personality and called yourself an dork.

Don't get me wrong, my parents know about different breed that almost attacked at me, it was from pitbull that my parent saw and found it. It's same picture like that but different color skin, that what I was correct. You don't see me when almost get in attack or whatever because you are from Arizona and I was from other state then you have no predict about me, though.

Foxrac · 04-16-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GalaxyAngel

Hey Pacman..

Really wasting your time..
no need debate them..

Likely EVERY DOGS ARE DANGEROUS period rest of case because still counts..

I do understand you have fear one kind of dog.. but other people thinks you're losing marble mind.. Not worth to debate w/them.. some of people aren't understand.. their choice their own problem.. not you
understand
no need debate w/them who have dangerous dog!

let them go.. useless..
I'm tell you ya..

Oh... thanks for post here, also I was missed to read your post.

I had same feeling like that, too much arguement in this thread, oh wow...

Angel · 04-16-2007, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cane Corso

Yeah, I h

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GalaxyAngel That's me! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Alberta,Canada Posts: 13,541	Hey Pacman.. Really wasting your time.. no need debate them.. Likely EVERY DOGS ARE DANGEROUS period rest of case because still counts.. I do understand you have fear one kind of dog.. but other people thinks you're losing marble mind.. Not worth to debate w/them.. some of people aren't understand.. their choice their own problem.. not you understand no need debate w/them who have dangerous dog! let them go.. useless.. I'm tell you ya.. __________________ Parent's proud our children.

04-16-2007, 06:58 PM	#98 (permalink)
Angel ♥"Concrete Angel"♥ Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 19,088	Most Dangerous Dog: Pit Bull Bans Raise Questions CBS) CHICAGO Mention a pit bull these days, and many people will react with fear. The breed brings to mind a number of recent attacks on humans and some lawmakers are even calling for a pit bull ban. But are they the most dangerous dog? CBS 2's Dana Kozlov has the good, the bad and the ugly side of this controversial canine. Wes Alicea breeds pit bulls. Apocalypse is one of his dogs, and Alicea insists his pit bulls would never hurt anyone. "They are loving, loyal, friendly," he said. But in the last two weeks alone, pit bulls have been responsible for three attacks on humans, including the vicious mauling of six people in Cary. Brooks Foley displays the tears he suffered at the jaws of those dogs. His 10-year-old son was left in critical condition. “And they were going to kill me, that's were they were going to do,” Foley said. So what, if anything, about this breed makes them so dangerous? “Genetically, these dogs can be, and have the ability to be, an aggressive animal," said Dr. Sheldon Rubin, chief of staff at Blum Animal Hospital. In fact, the original purpose of the breed was to fight other dogs. Today's pit bull is actually a mix of the American bulldog with the Staffordshire terrier, making it very muscular and powerful. The result? "As a breed that has been bred over the generations to be dog aggressive, they don't bite another dog just to show them superiority. They will bite until that other dog is down," Rubin said. And when they bite a human Dr. Rubin says it will likely use its strong jaw to clamp down and not let go. Animal activists say many pit bulls today are being raised as fighters for sport or weapons by gang bangers. But PAWS Chicago founder and chairman Paula Fasseas insists pit bulls are not vicious by nature. "It's because of the people that are the guardians of them. The owners. They are totally irresponsible and they are not socializing them," Fasseas said. Dr. Rubin and Wes Aliceas echo that sentiment, and stress the importance of strict training and socialization of pit bulls at a young age. Spaying or neutering is also essential. "There has never been a known fatality, human fatality, by a dog that was fixed," Fasseas said. Ultimately, they believe any dog can be dangerous -- if not deadly -- and any pit bull can be a good pet if raised properly. "There are dogs for every type of person. If you are a humble person, not dominant enough, then you don't want a pit bull," Aliceas said. Most animal professionals we spoke with are against any type of ban on pit bulls or any breed. But that is an ongoing debate right now. Experts also stress the importance of researching a dog before adopting it. You can call your local shelter or vet for help in behavior testing a dog for any aggressive tendencies. Viewers can access the American Veterinary Medical Association's "Community Approach to Dog Bite Prevention" at American Veterinary Medical Association. It discusses the problems with breed specific legislation and what prompts dogs to bite. The American Veterinary Society of Animal Behaviorists also has a web site with members listed. It is avsab.us. But obviously a behavior problem is something that requires immediate attention. The American College of Veterinary Behaviorist have a website at www.dacvb.org. Their members are Board Certified by the American College of Veterinary Behaviorists. Certified Behaviorist recommended by PAWS Valerie J. Chalcraft, Ph.D. Applied Animal Behavior 731 W. 18th Street, #11 Chicago, IL 60616 phone: 312-391-5537 email: info@appliedanimalbehavior.com Applied Animal Behavior (© MMV, CBS Broadcasting, Inc. All Rights Reserved.) cbs2chicago.com - Most Dangerous Dog: Pit Bull Bans Raise Questions It's true that any dogs can be dangerous and yet other dogs don't have strong jaw to clamp down and not let go like pit bulls do and that may makes pitbull the most dangerous one....that's explain why many people are fear of pit bulls more than any other breeds, and people are not only trying to pin point the blame on pitbuls but knowing that there are increase of numbers of pitbull attacks on humans and other pets more than any other breeds, seem that the pet owners are adopting pitbulls for the wrong reason, they should researching more on pitbulls before adopting them.. I know I have made a promise not to bring up about pitbull but then again I can't sit here and let people thinks that every dogs out there can clamp down a human or a pet and not let go....I personally think that pet owners need to think twice about adopting dogs if they are truly serious of taken care of them, cause it not fair to have innocent children or pets being attacked or killed just cause some owners did not keep their dogs uncontrol...lastly but not at least, a dangerous breed needs the type of owner who will respondsibly raise the dog in a good environment.... __________________ "When we do the best we can, we never know what miracle is brought in our life, OR in the life of another." ~ Helen Keller Last edited by Angel; 04-16-2007 at 07:19 PM. Reason: adding more..

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Angel ♥"Concrete Angel"♥ Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 19,088	I also have noticed from time to time where pet owners would say " my dog would never hurt anyone, they are loving, loyal, friendly, and get along with others"..then later on down the road, some of their dog end up attacking someone or a pet... hmmm __________________ "When we do the best we can, we never know what miracle is brought in our life, OR in the life of another." ~ Helen Keller

04-16-2007, 08:12 PM	#108 (permalink)
SxyPorkie SxyPorkie Join Date: May 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 3,095	Does not matter who trains dogs or puppies...When my son was 7 yrs old.. he found sheltie pup half dead and brought her to me...I nursed her back to health..I was going to give her to good home.. but... she follows me around... i did not train her to be housebroken... she did herself... and i did not even train her to help me door knocks... she went to the door barking aloud... One day my neighbor told me she saw a big bald guy standing in my patio jacking off... then i remembered she was barking like crazy.. i thought it was other dogs outside.. i ignored barks... One night.. she barked like crazy.... it was dark in the patio.. so i turned on light saw that man running away... he never returned... So i decided to keep her... very little trainings... but she bit anyone who comes near me .. even bit my kids for waking me up...... so one day we moved to other duplex.... one night it was dark.. my kids were upstairs sleeping.. my best friend and i played Scrabbles.. my dog wont stop barking ...she kept goint to the window and back to the door.....for about 15 minutes.... so i called police... police came.. asked me how did i know if someone is by the window.. i told them my dog told me... so one of police went outside checking ... he found the footprint by the window. in which my dog barked like crazy.... police said wow.. that good dog... asked me if i trained her.. i said no.. i just saved her life...... she was with me for 20 yrs... she passed away... She was my first dog... I had no experience of training dogs.. So i believe any kinds of dogs do bites no matter if training or no training... __________________ Life Goes On!!

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