Originally Posted by RebelGirl

its like this.. having a cat with claws vs. furnitures..... i have a cat myself.. with claws and its ruining my couch especially around the armrests. Its gonna cost me 1,000 dollars or more to get a new couch.. having the cat declawed is much cheaper and more safer if its an inside cat. I wouldn't have it declawed if she goes outside often, but my cat is an inside cat and seriously ruining my couch, love seat and computer chair.


I also.. work at the Vet.. I'm a kennel assistant.. I've watched cats and dogs getting spayed and nuetered.. is it cruel to have them spayed or nuetered.. i think not... its the same as having the cats declawed. Yes the cats do go under heavy sedatives and feel no pain. When the cats wake up.. they get woozy a bit for about a day. Then they're up and running.


I understand you feeling the pain for cats. but think of it as saving money for you and being able to keep your cat inside without worrying what he/she going to tear or rip.

Originally Posted by Cheri

I don't think it's cruel for declawing cats when cats live indoors, but I do think it is cruel for declawing cats when they're living outdoors, they cannot defend themselves against other wild animals.

Why would you want a couch being ripped up by a cat's claws, making your home look like a homeless shelter? You should care about your home as much you'll care about your pets. What about small children? Is it fair for children to get scratches from cats?

Don't judge those cat pet owners if they had their cat delcawed.

Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I see nobody judge members's posts here but give their fact opinion. I find IslandGal's thread is sense. She only want to give us information. Opinions, informations or disagreement has nothing do with judgement but fact. Its also no judgement when I say declawing is a cruel because it's fact.

Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

The Facts About Declawing and the Alternatives

It's major surgery. It's very painful. Countless people consider it a form of mutilation. It's illegal in fourteen countries. It has serious side affects, and it's not even necessary. Yet, 31% of all cat owners in the United States have their cats declawed. If you are considering the same fate for your cat, allow Fluffy five minutes of your time, and make sure you have all the facts.

Does your favorite couch or armchair look like it has armrests made out of shredded wheat? Can you see the wood through the carpeting at the bottom of your stairs? Does the sunlight escape through little holes in your drapes from kitty's last climbing escapade? It's hard to believe all of the destruction came from your tiny eight-pound furball. Maybe you are thinking that one sure way to stop the destruction is to have your cat's claws removed. Declawing is not only unfair to your furry friend, but it is also cruel. If your new puppy scratched grooves in your front door trying to escape, would you have his claws removed? If your child began the bad habit of biting his or her nails, would you have the child's fingertips amputated? Of course not! You'd teach them to change their behavior. Likewise, you can teach your cat to use his or her claws in a non-destructive manner.

WHY DO CATS CLAW?

Clawing is not a behavioral problem -- it is a necessity and a natural thing for a cat to do. Cats need their claws for several reasons. Grooming is necessary to maintain health and cleanliness. Scratching and licking prevents the fur from tangling, removes dead skin and hair, and helps to waterproof their coat. Because cats require a lot of sleep, it is also necessary for them to stretch and exercise their muscles. Notice how a cat will always stretch after waking from a nap. Clawing is often part of their stretching ritual to exercise the muscles in their toes. Cats also need to scratch to help shed away the dead outer layer of the nail to expose the healthy nail underneath. At the same time, scratch marks are visual and olfactory territorial markers. The act of scratching deposits the cat's scent from glands in their feet (Eckstein 110). However, the most important function of a cat's claws is for protection. A cat will use the front claws against an enemy before using any other natural weapon. When that weapon is taken away, the cat would be in danger if it were let outside

THE SURGERY

Many cat owners find out only too late the seriousness of declawing. Therefore, it may help to know what is involved in the surgical procedure. The procedure (referred to as an onychectomy) requires the amputation of the entire last joint of the toe (Marder). For a human, declawing a cat is equivalent to having the tips of the fingers cut off at the first joint below the fingernail. The amputation could be performed in one of two ways: using a "guillotine-type nail trimmer which cuts the joint between the last two bones of the toe," or with "a scalpel blade to dissect between the two bones" (Marder). The wounds on each toe are filled will surgical glue and held closed for several seconds to promote bonding. Several layers of bandages are applied while the cat recovers from anesthesia. The bandages are removed before the cat goes home, but unfortunately, several toes usually need to be cleaned and reglued which is extremely painful to the cat who is no longer under anesthesia (lisaviolet.com). Once the cat goes home, he or she will have trouble walking for several days, and the caregiver must use a special litter made out of recycled newspaper to avoid infection. The surgery is considered to be moderately to severely painful (Geller). One vet described, "cats bouncing off the walls of the recovery cage because of excruciating pain. Cats that are more stoic huddle in the corner of the recovery cage, immobilized in a state of helplessness, presumably by the overwhelming pain" (Dodman).

POST-SURGICAL STATISTICS

Following the surgery, there is no question that the cat will experience pain for several days. Cats do not exhibit pain the same way humans do, but elevated blood pressure, an increased pulse rate, fever, and limping are evidence that pain exists. Complications such as bleeding, swelling and infection may also occur. If any of these complications arise, it means another painful and expensive trip to the vet. A Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine study on 163 cats reported that 50% of the cats experienced one or more of these complications. About 20% experienced further complications such as infection, nail regrowth and lameness (qtd. Marder). There is also speculation that behavioral problem arise in cats that undergo declaw surgery (although there is no hard evidence). For example, immediately following the surgery, it is painful for a cat to use the litter box. The cat then associates pain with using the litter box, which may result in the cat using other areas of the house for elimination. Other behavioral side affects are biting and personality changes. Because the cat no longer has its claws for protection, he or she may overcompensate for the loss by biting. The cat may also become withdrawn or stressed due to the loss of its claws (Ginsberg). The stress could be caused by many things including the inability to simply jump onto an object, like a chair or couch or bed, and hold on with its claws. Even the joy of playing will be altered because the cat will no longer be able to grasp string or other toys with its claws.

THE RISKS

If putting your loving cat through the anguish is not enough to dissuade you against declawing, there are significant medical reasons not to go through with it. An onychectomy is major surgery. There is a risk involved with subjecting a cat to the physical stress of anesthesia and the strain of surgery. There is also a risk that substandard surgical techniques can result in shattered bones, hemorrhaging, and regrowth of the nail in a deformed manner that is hard to treat later (Ginsberg). According to Warren Eckstein, a world-renowned pet behaviorist, "X-rays of the bone structure of Kitty's legs before and after declawing show a marked difference that's caused by his having to balance himself unnaturally. Without the nails, physical stress is placed on the legs, where it wasn't intended to be." From an emotional standpoint, the added long-term stress and frustration can cause chronic cystitis (bladder infection) or skin disorders (HDW Enterprises). If a cat experiences any or several of these side affects, the additional veterinary costs, in addition to the initial surgery, will well exceed any monetary loss due to damage in the home.

CREATING A SCRATCH-FRIENDLY HOME

There are many solutions cat owners can utilize to create a safe, happy, scratch-friendly home for their cats. A scratch-friendly home begins with the proper scratching tools. There are many wonderful scratching devices on the market today. There are scratching posts, trees, condos, toys, and even boxes covered in carpet to hide the litter box. Most cats prefer scratchers made out of corrugated cardboard or sisal. The corrugated cardboard scratchers look like rectangular boxes or floor mats several inches thick filled with cardboard. Fortunately, these types of scratchers are very inexpensive so you can buy several.

Teaching Kitty to Use the Scratching Tools

More important than picking the right type of scratching tool is the quantity and location of those tools. If you only provide one scratching post, it isn't going to work. You can't expect the cat to travel to where the scratching post is located when the urge hits it. If your favorite chair, couch or rug is closer, that is what the cat will use. Therefore, place the scratching devices near any vertical object you think the cat will scratch. Place one near the bottom of the stairs (if carpeted), next to any vulnerable furniture item where the cat and the family spend a significant amount of time, and place one near the cat's favorite napping place. Next, you need to show your cat what to do with the scratching devices by using it yourself. That's right! Scratch your own nails loudly on the scratching device to attract the curiosity of the cat. When your cat investigates to see what you are doing, praise him or her with kind words and a rub in their favorite place. You can also rub catnip on each scratching post to increase the attraction, but consistent praise is the most important ingredient. Don't grab the cat's paws and force them on the scratching device. Most cats don't like to have their paws grabbed, which can cause the cat to avoid the scratching device. Admonish kitty when he or she scratches on anything that is off limits. All furniture should be considered off limits to eliminate confusion. Even furniture specifically designated for the cat should be a no scratching zone (lisaviolet.com).


Nail Trimming

Trimming your cat's nails is also a very important step in maintaining a scratch-friendly environment. Even if you don't have help, there are methods to nail trimming you can learn from your vet to make it easy for both you and your cat. The first time you trim the nails, only cut the tip. There is a vein that runs through the nail and it's important you don't cut that, but it's very easy to see. Two weeks later, cut the tips of the nails again. After two or three pedicure sessions, the vein will recede on its own which will allow you to cut a little more nail each time (Eckstein). As long as the vein is easy to see, you should have no problem giving your kitty pedicures. If you repeat these pedicures every two weeks, it will minimize any scratching damage kitty may cause.

Soft Paws®

If you just don't have the time to spend on consistent training, you can apply Soft Paws nail caps to your cat's nails. SoftPaws are plastic nail caps that are glued to the end of your cat's nails and they last about one month. Your veterinarian can show you how to apply the nail caps the first time, and then you can buy the do-it-yourself kit thereafter from the pet store or a pet magazine.

It may seem like a lot of work at first, but the process is an interesting and fun experiment in your ability to train your cat. You will also find that you can use some of the techniques to teach your cat other useful lessons. In the end you will have a scratch-friendly safe environment for your cat where he or she will be able to enjoy the use of its claws.

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The Facts About Declawing

Originally Posted by IslandGal

Liebling, thank you for posting this link.

I wish declawing was illegal here in the USA too just like it is in your country.

Originally Posted by Cheri Post was quoted by Banjo: If people care more about their furniture than their cats' welfare... then maybe they shouldn't have pets to begin with. If people feel offended by what I said, well... too bad. I take that as passing judgement on cat owners who had their cats declawed.

From Liebling's link in previous post. Declawing is not only unfair to your furry friend, but it is also cruel. If your new puppy scratched grooves in your front door trying to escape, would you have his claws removed? If your child began the bad habit of biting his or her nails, would you have the child's fingertips amputated? Of course not! You'd teach them to change their behavior. Likewise, you can teach your cat to use his or her claws in a non-destructive manner.

Cheri's post And I know for matter of fact that some landlords would allow tenants to have cats unless they're declawed. My landlord is one of those people. This is gotten be one hot topic, but it's important for members to keep their remarks as maturity, not to offense cat owners who already had their cats declawed. It's their personal choice, We are here to learn something, and not to offensive someone. So I hope members keep that in mind.

Originally Posted by SmileyGin

i dont believe in having the cats declawed.. God put claws on them for good reason.. they use claws to protect themselves? what if they got out and got lost. then encountered a wild cat and wild cat will attack the cat and how will the cat protect himself then?? the cat will end up getting attacked and painful especially balls being ripped out by claws and mouth.
is that the way you want the cat not defensive? NO i dont believe in that. its CRUEL .. ANIMAL CRUELTY!!!!!!! i dont have all of my cats and kittens declawed.. all of them have claws!

i have experience as a friend gave the cat to me . i kept her in house but she died in HOUSE.. how??? snake got in and strangled her.. my mom said she heard noises.. so i looked and looked and found her strangled by snake in cabinet.. i was like OH FOOK!!! got shovel and killed the snake.. but too late.. my cat's back is broken and she look bad in shape.. took her to vet.. vet said shes not doing good.. neck broke? i was like what?? i cried and cried.. yes had to put her to sleep!!!

no wonder God put claws on cats for reason.. TO PROTECT themselves.. dog attack them? they can protect themselves against dogs, cats and wild animals.

Originally Posted by butterflygal

Declawing is like an amputation of your fingers.



This picture shows where the vets would cut. They are cutting a part of the cats bones off along with their claws. It would be like cutting the first joints on your fingers off. How would we be able to function? Sure, we would learn how to but it won't be the same. Same as cats.

What if your cats ran away? They won't be able to defend themselves.

Cats are like small children. They will learn not to stratch on couches, etc. It takes time to teach them. My cat never does that and he's still a baby. My boyfriend built him his very own cat tree so he could stratch his heart out anytime he wants.

Put it any way you like but it is downright cruel to do this to cats. There is a big difference between spaying and declawing. Spaying is necessary and it doesn't affect the cats bodies afterwards. Cats walk on their claws.





To read more... Companion Animals - Why Cats Need Claws

Originally Posted by DreamDeaf

Well - Im gonna jump into the fray myself.

MizzDeaf and I have five cats - two of my own, three of hers. Yes, ALL of them are declawed. Our choice.

I do know what declawing consists of - I have talked with vets, landlords, cat owners, debated the pros and cons and made the decision to have BabyCat and PeeWee declawed years ago.

MizzDeaf made the decision to have hers declawed, too, and she already knows what it is.

All we ask is that you respect our decision - and FYI, my mom's Yellow Cat was declawed years and years ago, and she's now 16 years old...and still healthy, active and loving.

BabyCat is 10, shows no signs of pain, age or any other aliments that comes with old age. PeeWee is 9, only thing she has is a touch of arthritis in her front left leg because of an injury that happened when she was a kitten, and with medication, is doing just fine.

We all make choices - both for ourselves and our pets. What about the dog owners that cut their dogs' ears and tails?

Look around - people make choices, whether you like it or not.

Our cats are strictly indoor cats, they are all happy, healthy and lively...VERY LIVELY. *smh* The only time they go outside, are all under strict supervision and for short periods of times. They are NEVER left alone. PeeWee especially enjoys these times, and yet, she's always ready to come back in whenever it's time.

Please respect our decision in this matter.

I understand how some of you feel about this, and I RESPECT your feelings on this matter. All I ask for is the same thing from you.

Thanks.
DD

Originally Posted by DreamDeaf

Well - Im gonna jump into the fray myself.

MizzDeaf and I have five cats - two of my own, three of hers. Yes, ALL of them are declawed. Our choice.

I do know what declawing consists of - I have talked with vets, landlords, cat owners, debated the pros and cons and made the decision to have BabyCat and PeeWee declawed years ago.

MizzDeaf made the decision to have hers declawed, too, and she already knows what it is.

All we ask is that you respect our decision - and FYI, my mom's Yellow Cat was declawed years and years ago, and she's now 16 years old...and still healthy, active and loving.

BabyCat is 10, shows no signs of pain, age or any other aliments that comes with old age. PeeWee is 9, only thing she has is a touch of arthritis in her front left leg because of an injury that happened when she was a kitten, and with medication, is doing just fine.

We all make choices - both for ourselves and our pets. What about the dog owners that cut their dogs' ears and tails?

Look around - people make choices, whether you like it or not.

Our cats are strictly indoor cats, they are all happy, healthy and lively...VERY LIVELY. *smh* The only time they go outside, are all under strict supervision and for short periods of times. They are NEVER left alone. PeeWee especially enjoys these times, and yet, she's always ready to come back in whenever it's time.

Please respect our decision in this matter.

I understand how some of you feel about this, and I RESPECT your feelings on this matter. All I ask for is the same thing from you.

Thanks.
DD

Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

Thank you, DD.

I'm against declawing cats, but I also agree that it's up to each individual owner to decide for themselves what is humane and what isn't. You and MizzDeaf sound like you were responsible. Being informed is the key. Once you learn about the procedure, then it really is up to the individual to decide for themselves what is in the best interest of both the cat and the owner.

Personally, I would never do it. Like some here, I think it's cruel and painful, but I also would never push my ideals on others. Again, this is another one of these things where it's not up to me to tell someone what to do. It's up to that person to decide for themselves what is best, and I should keep my nose out of it.

Originally Posted by DreamDeaf

Well - Im gonna jump into the fray myself.

MizzDeaf and I have five cats - two of my own, three of hers. Yes, ALL of them are declawed. Our choice.

I do know what declawing consists of - I have talked with vets, landlords, cat owners, debated the pros and cons and made the decision to have BabyCat and PeeWee declawed years ago.

MizzDeaf made the decision to have hers declawed, too, and she already knows what it is.

All we ask is that you respect our decision - and FYI, my mom's Yellow Cat was declawed years and years ago, and she's now 16 years old...and still healthy, active and loving.

BabyCat is 10, shows no signs of pain, age or any other aliments that comes with old age. PeeWee is 9, only thing she has is a touch of arthritis in her front left leg because of an injury that happened when she was a kitten, and with medication, is doing just fine.

We all make choices - both for ourselves and our pets. What about the dog owners that cut their dogs' ears and tails?

Look around - people make choices, whether you like it or not.

Our cats are strictly indoor cats, they are all happy, healthy and lively...VERY LIVELY. *smh* The only time they go outside, are all under strict supervision and for short periods of times. They are NEVER left alone. PeeWee especially enjoys these times, and yet, she's always ready to come back in whenever it's time.

Please respect our decision in this matter.

I understand how some of you feel about this, and I RESPECT your feelings on this matter. All I ask for is the same thing from you.

Thanks.
DD

Originally Posted by IslandGal

There is no need to apologize because I know they are your cats but it was just that I was a bit surprised to see you saying that you think it is not cruel to do that to cats because I thought maybe you would change your mind after looking into these websites but I guess I was wrong.