Banjo

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I was talking about the STRENGTH to make a powerful bite. Yes, Golden Retrievers are CAPABLE of making POWERFUL bites. So is a Jack Russell terrier.

Heck, there even has been cases of where babies were mauled to death by Pomeranians. Just to let you know, most victims of dog bites are children. So yes, parents should be more careful with their dogs and children.

Good dogs are made due to good training. Period.

The thing is, many pit bulls come from bad homes. You should see how many pit bulls are being abused to death every single day. Humane Society rescue so many of these dogs every year from the cruel owners. Golden retrievers tend to end up in better homes with a lot of love. I've noticed that many, many dog attacks were due to the owners not knowing how to handle or train a dog.

I know a person whose dog was mauled by a golden retriever a few years ago. A lot of damages were done to that poor dog, its skull had to be given medical treatments in order to heal it. It nearly died, and they had to put down the golden retriever.

The part of golden retrievers getting along with the other dogs. That's not true. Almost no dogs will naturally get along with the other dogs if they aren't well-socialized. ANY dogs will growl or bite other dogs if they're not used to socializing with them. That pretty much only can be achieved by SOCIALIZING them. This is pretty much a fact, ask any dog experts, they'll tell you that.

I grew up with dogs. so I'm bound to know more than just one or two things about dogs.

The reason why we don't see news stories about golden retrievers attacking people is because they're perceived as nice dogs. The mainstream media is quite biased and thrive on scaring people. Don't take everything you and the others see on the TV as facts right away. There's a lot to look into on these subjects.

I've heard of FAR more good experiences with both pit bulls and rottweilers than the bad experiences. Most of the "bad" stuff are from the newspapers, so I have the right to be quite wary of what I read in the newspapers. The newspapers tend to put in nothing but bad stories to scare the public.

Most dog bites aren't reported. If a "pit bull type" happen to bite somebody, they run to the cops in a panic because of everything they've heard on the TV and in the newspapers. Had it been a French Poodle, they would go... "I better not report it because I'll look stupid and be laughed at".

Most dog bites that I personally know of weren't committed by big dogs. Mostly little dogs and man, you should see the damages they are capable of.

I happen to have a Yellow Lab and she's a great dog. But would I leave her in a room alone with a child? I would trust her with my life, but as a responsible dog owner... I will not.

NO dog owners should EVER leave their children alone in a room with their dogs. No matter what because that's when the most dog attacks occur... when nobody's looking.

ANY dogs of any breeds, if a dog is found to be dangerous and has attacked people and other animals. That dog should be put down, regardless of what breed it is.

Now, here's a test for all of you... in the picture below... how many of these are pit bulls and which ones?

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Tousi

I will say two things of a very general nature: I watched a program comparing the bites of several breeds of dogs and alligators. The dogs' bites, using pounds per square inch registered at around 320 to 330 pounds per square inch while the alligators' were hovering at around a thousand PSI.

Secondly, about the pitbull: This breed is of and by itself a pretty docile animal; it is just that so many individual pitbulls have displayed ferocious and dangerous behavior BECAUSE their trainers/owners/handlers have taught them to be that way! That can be done with any breed of dog. Stupid Homo Sapiens!

Angel

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Any update on the owner's dog and how is your dog feelings now?...DoofusMama

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Cheri

Maybe you need to talk to someone regarding about laws on pets, I think the owners and the pets should be punished for the crime commit. Won't hurt to give it a try.

I pulled up some states that had banned some pets,(mostly pitbulls and Rottweilers) (Some Dobermans) and also out of United States as well, Germany, Netherlands, Japan, United Kingdom.

http://www.rott-n-chatter.com/rottwe...dspecific.html

One more thing Annie, Was Rocky only gotten bite on his leg? I could see a open wound there. Poor Rocky, I bet he was so frighten and doesn't know what hit him. I can only image.

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Angel

Which picture sis?...

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Cheri

I believe picture two and three, Use your mouse and click right button, to blow it up into a bigger picture, You'll see it more clearly.

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Nesmuth

My dog (the one that's going deaf) was attacked 10 yrs ago by a larger dog. I reported it to the animal control and suggested that they put him to sleep. The owners were in a state of panic and upset with me.

I never saw the dog again.

Richard

JeepGirl

Okay..Great!! Hope Rocky is doing better today!

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Is Rocky part of a blue heeler??? i noticed around his neck that looks to be part blue heeler...

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Liza

DM: I'm really sorry about Rocky and distress your family went through. Looks like a fine dog and hope he keeps on recovering.

I thought the same about the pitbull owners. They deserve to pay the consequences and it wasn't the first time they've had a pitbull attack under their care, and it doesn't seem like they have their pitbull efficiently restrained - with muzzle or something like that. I wonder if they are also guilty of abusing that bloodthirsty pitbull. This case definitely needs to be checked out!

Liebling:-)))

*goose pump & scare* after read all the whole thread here. Those thread here remind me of 2 other threads of last year.

Picture of poor girl...
http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.ph...hlight=pitbull

I told the story about my co-worker's 5 years old niece who was attacked by her family pet pitbull last year.
http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.ph...hlight=pitbull


I'm really glad that Rocky get better but I beleive it would got him nightmare forever, Doofymama.

as what animal control said that pitbull had been trouble before. It look like that they do NOTHING? They are supposing to warn the pitbull owner to keep pitbull indoor instead let pitbull go out alone... It's toooo responsible of the owner to let pitbull go out alone when she KNEW that pitbull hurt anyone before? It's police duty to warn or get the owner the penatly fine for let dangerous dog go out alone case they might hurt HUMNAN....

Yes, I'm REALLY glad that pitbull didn't hurt your kids. Thank God!!!! Normally the owner should keep pitbull indoor. If pitbull want go out then the owner is responsible to be there to watch pitbull around or take them for a walk.

Exactly, the owner is obligate to pay the bill where her/his dog hurt your dog. It's bad luck if they don't have dog insurance.

it look like that the owner refused to pay the vet bill to cover the cost of your Rocky? Animal Control MUST have known that it's not first time... Do nothing? what a f**king joking.

wow, interesting that cold water would help. Next time I will remember it... Thank you for recommend.

Yes, you can do SOMETHING that the owner neglect his/her responsible for let pitbull go out which they KNEW it's not first time that pitbull attacked anyone.

True, Pitbull & other dog fighter were banned in Germany because they are dangerous dog.

I can't believe this! This is not logically because they must have known that it's owner's responsible for let pitbull go out alone which they knew it's not safety. Normally the owner should pay the penatly fine for neglect their responsible.

I would suggest you to check with Legal Adviser over the rights because it's pain wrong to let dangerous dog to go out alone... they might hurt anyone again.

All what I pray for your poor Rocky to get well... As what I saw the picture... His healthy goes improve but nightmare...

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Liebling:-)))

I found the link and hope this link help you over the dog law in
Minnesota. They have Statute Name, Citation, Summary list.

http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/t...tes/sttodd.htm



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MsGiglz

Cheri: Thanks for the link.. it helpful...I find this interesting because it has no Minnesota listed .... (http://www.rott-n-chatter.com/rottwe...specific.html)..


Banjo Thanks for the info links about breeds, I know you are trying make point view about all breeds can be dangerous. but i found this link and.. "What exactly is a pit bull? Defining it has proved to be a formidable legal hurdle because the pit bull is not a specific breed. Rather, it is a kind of dog, a generic catchall like hound or retriever. The breeds most commonly referred to as pit bulls are the American Staffordshire terrier, which is the term used by the American Kennel Club, and the American pit bull terrier, the term used by the United Kennel Club. The men who match pit bulls in fights today do not bother with such formalities; they refer to their animals as bulldogs -- a nickname which should not confuse pit bulls with the pug-faced and bowlegged English bulldog, a distant relative, or the bullterrier, another relation whose bloodline was softened long ago by crossbreeding with the English Terrier. Pit bulls come in almost any color; their ears may be cropped or uncropped; their noses either red or black; and their height and weight merely proportionate -- with the weight parameters ranging from under 20 pounds to upwards of 100. Their muzzles are wedgelike, their jaws powerful and their heads blocky. A pit bull's coat will be short and glossy, shimmering over a compact frame tightly bound in muscle." E.M. Swift, "The Pit Bull: Friend and Killer. Is the Pit Bull a Fine Animal, As Its Admirers Claim, Or Is It a Vicious Dog, Unfit For Society?" Sports Illustrated, 07-27-1987, pp 72.)
its interesting ... also, thanks for your thoughts too..


Yes I agree with you... and I will make sure the owner isnt getting away..
Crazymomma Yes he is remarkable! hes want to speed his recovery..

Tousi yes i agreed.. I have see documentary or tv shows about it on tv while back..

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this morning, he woke me up and wanted to go outside.. (he remebered!).. and he went potty and tried to go #2 but couldnt.. I will stop by vet to pick up something for his #2 after I go cityhall and police dept to get the copy of report that i made call, and get info from the owner..
but so far, he is doing well.. he adapt with his leg so well, looks like he might not lose the nerves but wait for a week or two.. to see if he ability to use his leg fully..
I dont have idea of the owner doing.. i am going to find out at police dept.

yes and no.. he got bitten on his leg that one stays on it for long time (wont let go that neighbors and marcus put stick in pitbull mouth to release the lock jaw on rocky leg.. but rocky have alot of bumps and swollen on his neck and his mouth and ears and back legs even his tail... he also was hit by sticks (by accident) cuz the dogs were on each other and rolled around.. neighbors and marcus tried to hit pitbull but accident hit Rocky few times.. he has two seriously injury.. his leg and his chest.. (behind the leg).. that total over 10 stitches..


Nesmuth probably they put the dog to sleep... I am glad that your dog lived longer..
Yes he is Blue Heeler Cattledog mix..
Liza thanks!

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MsGiglz

thanks for the link... first of all.. I know i was so and about the law..

After I read and checked our state Minnesota.. I was like "wtf" they are more like issues about rabid and muzzle.. thats why I am going to cityhall in couple hours.. to make copies of dog law in Minnesota.. and will submit to the councils and Reps... to see if they do something better than that...

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Angel

Go for it girl, you ROCK!

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Tousi

Liza, hi!
Something just occured to me....you know how it is in breeding animals, breeders see to it that certain physical & dispositional traits appear and let's say, this takes 100 years (not long) to take effect. I'm wondering how long the pit-bull's been abused thus far so that eventually all the nastiness that is directed at this breed TODAY will, in fact, become ingrained and will no longer be the relatively loving, docile breed that it is today?

An example of this comes to mind and that is the Morgan horse of yester-year and the Morgan of today are 2 different physical specimens and that transformation took only about 100 years.

MsGiglz

(feel sick in tummy)...

I went to police dept to collect the informations of report calls.. there are 3 calls.. included my daughter and neighbors.. they were screaming for POLICE..... same statement that opr told them, animal control will be there shortly.. and throw water at the dogs.. and make sure no one (humans) are hurt..
and collected information about that pitbull's owner.. (my tummy twisted).. that owner have 3 pitbulls.. all 3 have previous records.. they are repeat offenders.. *SIGH*...

I went to city hall .. got the copies of DOG LAWS all counties of Minnesota.. its interesting to read.. nothing do with dog vicious/bite ....
I told them that i am press charge.. my neighbors flipped.. and explained me that.. I have to pay court fee, might be there no win-win.. because the judge doesnt support dog issues.. wtf!! so.. neighbors are going to work on petition... and see how it will go..


*sigh*..

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Angel

That's really stinks DoofusMama!! I can't believe the owner has 3 pitbulls, and yet they're getting away with it again and again and AGAIN!....What more does it take for them to do something about it, there has to be a law, and what you guys need to do is try to make it a law in your hometown, otherwise they'll keep getting away with it and there will be no justice for those pet lovers out there...

And I'm curious, are they waiting until some kid to die? or a pet ?...before they will actually do something about it?...

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Cheri

Sorry to say it but Minnesota laws for pets sucks! I cannot believe they won't do anything after third time strike? How many before they can actually do something about the situation? None? I'll take Rachel's advice, she says she would help you with the situation since she lives in Minnesota too.

You know, about a year or two, my son was almost attacked by a pitbull also, which was a friend of my son's father pitbull. When we came over to visited the pill bull went up to Jordan bite him in the arm, but good thing Jordan was wearing a winter coat, and We all were around when it happened, so nothing further appear to happen because the friend took the pitbull down the basement, was surprised that his dog reacted that way to Jordan. Some people kept saying it's how you treat the dogs, is why they go off attacking others, but that not always the case, sometimes dogs snapped it does happen but some people just don't wanna see it that way.

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Liebling:-)))

I would recommend you to check with Legal Adviser about the rights. Tell them everything what you told us here. Legal Adviser cost you nothing but they only give you rights & will tell you that you has good chance or not... Depend what they can do for you without take the cost from you. Worth try to check with them... Yes, I´m agree that it would cost you alot of money to file a lawsuit but it would be okay if you have insure Family legal protection insurance. It will cover lawyer/court costs.

I hope you have Family Legal Protection insurance, don´t you?

I dont know that you have Family Legal Protection Insurance in your country or not... If yes, it´s worth to join them for your family safety... We insured for years due our family´s safety. I can file a lawsuit against anything if it´s happened to my family.

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MsGiglz

Unfournately ... No there are no family legal protection insurance.. thats find me interesting.. I never heard of that.. neighbors just informed me that the neighbors wanted to have town meeting.. will update when or which date..

There's nothing else for me to do right now.. just wait ... to see what neighbor town meeting.. see if they want to support my case and submit the law for dog law..

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