Marlee Matlin - Page 2

Aleser · 02-28-2008, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ariakkas

im surprised there has been such positive responses about her here...perhaps in a generational thing.

ive heard from countless individuals how they dont like her, how she isn't Deaf enough, because during her award speech, she used her voice instead of signing, furthering the negative stigma.

I don't see how that's a -bad- thing. She can talk, why is it 'unacceptable' for her to talk?

Tousi · 02-28-2008, 12:47 AM

Because, at the time, it was an internal, cultural thing which I think is on the wane now, given the diversity of deaf folks. That's it in a nutshell; I'm tired. And I mean as in sleepy.

AquaBlue · 02-28-2008, 01:02 AM

I will veer just slightly off topic if you all don't mind.

How important was Children of a Lesser God to the Deaf community? Was that flick the single most effective tool for the hearing majority in regards to Deaf culture?

Now back to our regular scheduled topic: Marlee Matlin.

jillio · 02-28-2008, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

I will veer just slightly off topic if you all don't mind.

How important was Children of a Lesser God to the Deaf community? Was that flick the single most effective tool for the hearing majority in regards to Deaf culture?

Now back to our regular scheduled topic: Marlee Matlin.

The original stage production was much more powerful in communicating the true message intended.

AquaBlue · 02-28-2008, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

The original stage production was much more powerful in communicating the true message intended.

Even if the movie has a broader audience?

jillio · 02-28-2008, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

Even if the movie has a broader audience?

The movie had a broader audience, but it was not completely true to the original script. The origninal script was written for the stage, and the focus was on the negative effects of oralism, and the deaf perspective toward oralism moreso than on the romantic relationship between James and Sara. So the message was a bit distorted for the broader audience.

Anij · 02-28-2008, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Oh, you reminded me of how excited my son was the first time he saw Linda Bove on Sesame Street. He was jumping up and down signing, "Lady deaf, lady deaf! Same me!"

ME too!! I'm 30 now ... so she was there when I was little

Of course... I had to keep it "hidden" from everyone that it meant the WHOLE WORLD to me that there was someone even a little like me on tv ! ... it still does actually - seeing Linda Bove on Sesame Street showed me that I didn't have to be embarrassed ... and THAT ... that changed my whole world.

jillio · 02-28-2008, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Anij

ME too!! I'm 30 now ... so she was there when I was little

Of course... I had to keep it "hidden" from everyone that it meant the WHOLE WORLD to me that there was someone even a little like me on tv ! ... it still does actually - seeing Linda Bove on Sesame Street showed me that I didn't have to be embarrassed ... and THAT ... that changed my whole world.

Oh, I agree. It was so wonderful for deaf children to have that experience. It brought tears to my eyes to see my son so excited, and I know that it meant as much to other deaf kids as it did him. To think that the majority of a deaf kid's experience is spent watching hearing people, and thinking that they must try to emulate them, and then to have that one bright spot that gives the message..."Hey, its okay to be deaf!" No matter how many times I told my son the same thing, the message he got that morning seeing Linda Bove was more powerful than any of my words because it came from someone, like he said "Same me!"

Anij · 02-28-2008, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Ariakkas

im surprised there has been such positive responses about her here...perhaps in a generational thing.

ive heard from countless individuals how they dont like her, how she isn't Deaf enough, because during her award speech, she used her voice instead of signing, furthering the negative stigma.

I remember being upset at the time a bit - but honestly speaking or not is her choice... I see it differently now. I also "get" first hand the "not Deaf enough" thing - I speak, speechread and sign, I walk the proverbial tightrope between cultures ... and "not Deaf enough" it's just hurtful and hateful - we should be bound together by our culture and language, not drawn apart by our speech and audiograms.

**shel90** · 02-28-2008, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaBlue

Not deaf enough???

What does that mean? A deaf person has to have a certain level of deafness to be respected in the Deaf world?

Now I likely am totally off the target (as normal) by my statement, but is that what you mean? Please say it isn't so, please.

Not culturally Deaf enough. It means a deaf person who has adopted to hearing culture behavior instead of Deaf culture behavior. I was accused of not being Deaf enough numerous times due to my oral-only upbringing despite having a severe to profound hearing loss in both ears since birth.

AquaBlue · 02-28-2008, 08:14 AM

Oh I see. Interesting. Thanks for the clarification.

GarnetTigerMom · 02-28-2008, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jolie_77

Agreed. I also would like to add this on my part - Marlee is the first deaf actress to win an academy award. That alone carried a lot of weight and it did indeed broke a lot of barriers. It gave a glimpse of how deaf people were able to incline their selves into the hearing world. She was also a "pioneer" to represent the deaf community in the films on a major level, especially when it comes to be able to bridge the gaps between both worlds.

Yep, I agree, she is the first actress ever get an academy award show that she did break lot of barriers that really shook up everybody. I think that great she did that. How often do a deaf actor or actress ever win an academy? I would say she be the first in history to get a academy award as as deaf person. It was pretty impressive. But glad that happens. :-)

GarnetTigerMom · 02-28-2008, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Ariakkas

im surprised there has been such positive responses about her here...perhaps in a generational thing.

ive heard from countless individuals how they dont like her, how she isn't Deaf enough, because during her award speech, she used her voice instead of signing, furthering the negative stigma.

I don't see anything wrong with her using her speech as a deaf person. I don't see how that is negative. I am deaf, I speak very well almost like hearing person and read lips very good. I think it was usful for me because I don't have to keep writting on a piece of papers to share notes ha. But What she does it up to her. If other deaf people didn't like her to use speech, then their problem. If some don't like her,, then again that their problem. How would they really know her in person if they dislike her? That jumping too far. :-) I have deaf friends often needs me to interpert lot cuz I can speak. SO, pretty much no big deal. :-)

Anij · 02-28-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by GarnetTigerMom

I don't see anything wrong with her using her speech as a deaf person. I don't see how that is negative. I am deaf, I speak very well almost like hearing person and read lips very good. I think it was usful for me because I don't have to keep writting on a piece of papers to share notes ha. But What she does it up to her. If other deaf people didn't like her to use speech, then their problem. If some don't like her,, then again that their problem. How would they really know her in person if they dislike her? That jumping too far. :-) I have deaf friends often needs me to interpert lot cuz I can speak. SO, pretty much no big deal. :-)

I think alot of people tied Marlee too closely to her character in Children of a Lesser God (Sara) - because Sara didn't speak in the film people expected Marlee not to as well .... was it the right thing for people to do . NO. Didi it happen .. yeah - I think it did

GarnetTigerMom · 02-28-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Anij

I think alot of people tied Marlee too closely to her character in Children of a Lesser God (Sara) - because Sara didn't speak in the film people expected Marlee not to as well .... was it the right thing for people to do . NO. Didi it happen .. yeah - I think it did

Acutally Marlee didn't learn to speak until much later after the children of the lessar GOD was over. She started to take up speech classes later when she was on TV show I Forgot what name of it she played a deaf lawyer with Mark Harmon when she started her 6 months training to speak. Most time she use her voice other time she don't I do that too. I don't see the harm. :-) I find out what was the show she did as lawyer. I get back to you on that. :-)

GarnetTigerMom · 02-28-2008, 10:19 AM

Okay, Here Marlee's list of show and movies she had done.

1. Childern of the Lesser GOD (1986 Academy award )

2. Walker (1987)

3. Reasonable Doubts (1991)

4. Picket Feneces ( 1992 Emmy ward )

5. Where the truth lies (1999)

6. Extreme Makeover: Home Edition (2003)

Here other release of her book called

1. Nobody's Perfect (2006)

2. Leading Ladies (2007)

She will be on dancing with the stars for 6th seasons (2008) with her partner will be a newcommer name Fabian Sanchez.

yizuman · 02-28-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GarnetTigerMom

Acutally Marlee didn't learn to speak until much later after the children of the lessar GOD was over. She started to take up speech classes later when she was on TV show I Forgot what name of it she played a deaf lawyer with Mark Harmon when she started her 6 months training to speak. Most time she use her voice other time she don't I do that too. I don't see the harm. :-) I find out what was the show she did as lawyer. I get back to you on that. :-)

Reasonable Doubt was the show. I was really pissed when NBC canned the show because the suits (CEOs and Executives)thought that a deaf lawyer was unrealistic and being a lawyer belongs to the hearing world.

GarnetTigerMom · 02-28-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by yizuman

Reasonable Doubt was the show. I was really pissed when NBC canned the show because the suits (CEOs and Executives)thought that a deaf lawyer was unrealistic and being a lawyer belongs to the hearing world.

AH yes, I agree because I think CEOs and Exectives shouldn't have canceled that show unless they meet a real deaf lawyers. I don't see how what is unrealistic is that. I am sure there are some deaf lawyers in the hearing world. Seems they still view deaf in a negative way saying "Deaf can't do it in the real world " But I would say " deaf can do it!" I wish they put that show back on air! grrr

Anij · 02-28-2008, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GarnetTigerMom

Acutally Marlee didn't learn to speak until much later after the children of the lessar GOD was over. She started to take up speech classes later when she was on TV show I Forgot what name of it she played a deaf lawyer with Mark Harmon when she started her 6 months training to speak. Most time she use her voice other time she don't I do that too. I don't see the harm. :-) I find out what was the show she did as lawyer. I get back to you on that. :-)

Sorry - to clarify ... I meant her Oscar speech some time later ( I think some people still connected her with the Sara)

PowerON · 02-28-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GarnetTigerMom

5. Where the truth lies (1999).

ah, 1999? Thank for more specs. Cheri haven't give the specs to me.

Anyway, I see on amazon, no cc or subtitle from the one feedback. That's interest. I'm ask MM thry her myspace. wee wee

GarnetTigerMom · 02-28-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Anij

Sorry - to clarify ... I meant her Oscar speech some time later ( I think some people still connected her with the Sara)

Sara never speaked at all in the movie. I think people need to realized it only a movie. It shouldn't take it too personally u know. :-)

GarnetTigerMom · 02-28-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

ah, 1999? Thank for more specs. Cheri haven't give the specs to me.

Anyway, I see on amazon, no cc or subtitle from the one feedback. That's interest.

Yeah it should be cc or subtitles. I can check it out. :-)

GarnetTigerMom · 02-28-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

ah, 1999? Thank for more specs. Cheri haven't give the specs to me.

Anyway, I see on amazon, no cc or subtitle from the one feedback. That's interest.

Oh yes Now I remember the movie where truth lies. Yes it is captions becasue it was shown on HBO channel. so it should be caption on DVD. They don't make VSH anymore. :-)

**Chase** · 02-28-2008, 10:35 AM

Yes, we totally deaf are the royalty of the Land of the Deaf. Those with a bit of residual hearing can live outside the castle walls, but not cross the moat. Outside are the riff-raff who can hear better with devices. And far on the outter periphery are those who can hear just fine, but like to wear a hearing aid for jewelry and are members of SHHH.

No, that's crazy, but some total deafies sometimes come off that way--silence is superior; oral is outcast.

Anij · 02-28-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by GarnetTigerMom

Sara never speaked at all in the movie. I think people need to realized it only a movie. It shouldn't take it too personally u know. :-)

YUP YUP !!

GarnetTigerMom · 02-28-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Chase

Yes, we totally deaf are the royalty of the Land of the Deaf. Those with a bit of residual hearing can live outside the castle walls, but not cross the moat. Outside are the riff-raff who can hear better with devices. And far on the outter periphery are those who can hear just fine, but like to wear a hearing aid for jewelry and are members of SHHH.

No, that's crazy, but some total deafies sometimes come off that way--silence is superior; oral is outcast.

You said it better than I ever could! Good posting!

jillio · 02-28-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Anij

I think alot of people tied Marlee too closely to her character in Children of a Lesser God (Sara) - because Sara didn't speak in the film people expected Marlee not to as well .... was it the right thing for people to do . NO. Didi it happen .. yeah - I think it did

You may be right about that. We also have to remember the social climate at the time Marlee received her Academy Award. It was right after DPN, and the deaf/Deaf community was receiving recognition and respect for their demand to be treated as a cultural and linguistic minority for the first time in American history. Because the signing deaf were being accepted and noticed as capable, intelligent, people in charge of their own destinies for the first time, the Deaf community was anxious for that image to be protrayed at every opportunity. Millions of people watch the Academy Awards, and it was felt that she missed the opportunity to represent the Deaf community in a way that promoted respect and admiration for the signing deaf.

jillio · 02-28-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Chase

Yes, we totally deaf are the royalty of the Land of the Deaf. Those with a bit of residual hearing can live outside the castle walls, but not cross the moat. Outside are the riff-raff who can hear better with devices. And far on the outter periphery are those who can hear just fine, but like to wear a hearing aid for jewelry and are members of SHHH.

No, that's crazy, but some total deafies sometimes come off that way--silence is superior; oral is outcast.

Agree that it is simply perpetrating the discrimination, simply changing the vantage point. Still and all, I can see it as a reasonable and not unexpected reaction to the oral discrimination perpetrated upon the deaf for centuries. Doesn't make it justifiable....simply understandable.

**deafskeptic** · 02-28-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GarnetTigerMom

Acutally Marlee didn't learn to speak until much later after the children of the lessar GOD was over. She started to take up speech classes later when she was on TV show I Forgot what name of it she played a deaf lawyer with Mark Harmon when she started her 6 months training to speak. Most time she use her voice other time she don't I do that too. I don't see the harm. :-) I find out what was the show she did as lawyer. I get back to you on that. :-)

Mmm. I hadn't known that.

**deafskeptic** · 02-28-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Agree that it is simply perpetrating the discrimination, simply changing the vantage point. Still and all, I can see it as a reasonable and not unexpected reaction to the oral discrimination perpetrated upon the deaf for centuries. Doesn't make it justifiable....simply understandable.

Yeah. I can understand but it still pisses me off when I am on the receiving end of this by some strong Deafies.

I'm not going to pretend that I can't speak to please others except when I'm in a hurry and I don't want to have ask others to repeat themselves over and over because they thought my speech = good hearing. Nor am I going to tell others to get a CI if they don't want it even if I think they'll benefit. I can think of at least one poster here who'd benefit but I've never told her to get one.

I'm not going to make fun of other deafies' voices. For some reason, I get mad when I see hearing make fun of deafies' voices - it's like I take it personal; I have no memory of having people make fun of my speech all the time. I can only remember two instances where this happened to me. Go figure that one out.

I could go on an on but I think it's better to fight those who would oppress us than to alienate each other.

02-28-2008, 01:02 AM	#33 (permalink)
AquaBlue Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 2,053	I will veer just slightly off topic if you all don't mind. How important was Children of a Lesser God to the Deaf community? Was that flick the single most effective tool for the hearing majority in regards to Deaf culture? Now back to our regular scheduled topic: Marlee Matlin. __________________ __

02-28-2008, 08:14 AM	#41 (permalink)
AquaBlue Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 2,053	Oh I see. Interesting. Thanks for the clarification. __________________ __

02-28-2008, 10:19 AM	#46 (permalink)
GarnetTigerMom Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 4,958	Okay, Here Marlee's list of show and movies she had done. 1. Childern of the Lesser GOD (1986 Academy award ) 2. Walker (1987) 3. Reasonable Doubts (1991) 4. Picket Feneces ( 1992 Emmy ward ) 5. Where the truth lies (1999) 6. Extreme Makeover: Home Edition (2003) Here other release of her book called 1. Nobody's Perfect (2006) 2. Leading Ladies (2007) She will be on dancing with the stars for 6th seasons (2008) with her partner will be a newcommer name Fabian Sanchez. __________________ GarnetTigerMom "The rain may be falling hard outside, But your smile makes it all alright. I'm so glad that you're my friend. I know our friendship will never end." -- Robert Alan

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02-28-2008, 12:47 AM	#32 (permalink)
Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,798	Because, at the time, it was an internal, cultural thing which I think is on the wane now, given the diversity of deaf folks. That's it in a nutshell; I'm tired. And I mean as in sleepy.

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Chase Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,320	Yes, we totally deaf are the royalty of the Land of the Deaf. Those with a bit of residual hearing can live outside the castle walls, but not cross the moat. Outside are the riff-raff who can hear better with devices. And far on the outter periphery are those who can hear just fine, but like to wear a hearing aid for jewelry and are members of SHHH. No, that's crazy, but some total deafies sometimes come off that way--silence is superior; oral is outcast.