Cheri

Your daughter is a lesbian therefore, You disapproved if she wants to get married? I am wondering do you preach your daughter about the bible even through everyone of us sins.

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Deafness

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Kalista

That is extremely gross !!

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Maria

Huh ? All of my 3 girls are not lesbians. Understand ?

Mizzou

I been read all sad posts.... some are agree with.... I was thinking what I did recently, I read the BIBLE (Holy Bible) and I am gay.... It is same as Str8 reads and talk same about gospal, too. What is the point complains about this ??

I know many people does not see the VIEW OF POINT about us and friends non-gay or colors. We are all SAME as humans.

Cheri

I remember you said one of your daughter is a lesbian here in alldeaf?

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Maria

No. The truth is that it was my ex-husband's daughter who is a lesbian.

Crazymanw00t

I hate the sins. It is good to hate the sins. This world is full of sins and our home is in heaven. That is why we got lots to hate on this world just because of sins.

Anyway, Cheri you misinterpreted my quote I said,
Is that clear? Is it reasonable with logic thing? A person that smokes the cigarettes near you and the cigarette's puffs went inside of your lungs. The cigarette’s puff destroys your valuable lungs. Do you want let them to destroy your lungs? No, therefore I made a example that you can beat them up because they are destroying your lungs. It meant that you could speak against him, law-sue, physical contact fight, etc.


BTW, why do you love to misinterpretes other people's comments or quotes?

Cheri

We have alot of hates in this world because people hate others for what they are instead of love them. Like you for example of homosexual.

Why is it your business to begin with?

How am I misinterpreter other people's comment or quotes? You the one who shovel bibles down people's throat. Maybe look at yourself first before blaming others?

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Oceanbreeze

Miss P. I wish you would educate yourself.

Alot of heterosexuals engage in anal sex. It's not just a "homosexual act".

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'Cause I don't think that they'd understand
When everything's made to be broken
I just want you to know who I am" ~Goo Goo Dolls Iris

Cheri

If you guys want to judge be it, I don't care anymore. Just remember one thing, All of us are sinners, we broke the bibles too. Nobody is perfect in this entire world. That is all I am going to say on this topic. Have a good day.

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The*Empress

Well I thought some people wanted State and Church to separate....

Why should Government tell the Church what to do? If the
the Church don't want to marry Homosexual, then they shouldn't.

Yes you are human, so you guys need to grow up and accept the answer
NO. It doesn't hurt to say so. You guys can go on have sex whenever
you like, but leave the marriage tradition alone. Get Civil Union...

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The*Empress

It doesn't mean we hate Gays, we don't want marriage tradition
to mess up. We have the right to keep marriage holy.
I guess Gay people want to be hated. Because they
are going to far. They think everything is a joke.

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The*Empress

Well tell Men to stop poking in the anus... anus is for external only.

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The*Empress

I listen to the BIBLE, I don't listen to what other people said.
Gay people only think about their own selves....
Ruining our life, threatening that if we don't accept their lifestyle,
then we will get in trouble...

I don't appreciate being threaten like that...
It doesn't make sense to lose friends over this stuff.

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Gemtun

Women do poke in anus so it goes both ways.

The*Empress

I don't poke in anus.
It is sad now...
I am 34, and I haven't had sex in 6 years.
And I gotta put my whole life on hold
and I got a Vagina... and I can't
even have good FUCKING healthy sex with a clean PENIS...
but nooooo
I gotta sleep with women... licking their eeky pussy and
worry about men poking up in anus and spreading disease
to fuck up my pussy.
That ain't right at all.

I am at HOME with my mom... growing OLD...
and I gotta accept gay lifestyle and other perverts...
in order to enjoy life and get good job and whatever...

As if AIDS and other diseases don't exist.
I gotta accept secondhand smoke, be around
smokers... I gotta do all of that...
and put up with people's misery and bad habits.

I might as well die now... cause
if I have to go out there, sleeping with everybody,
and put up with everybody germs...
and enjoy the so called life...
and accept everybody cultures and stuff...
And and and, ohhhh I got diseases, cancers and stroke...
pinning to the hospital bed at the age 40.

This makes me mad.

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Vance

With that kind of attitude/perspective... you have a serious problem, Miss*Pinocchio.

Cheri

Yep agreed, Her and Ravensteve whine and complain too much about everything in the entire world, Justice for Alldeaf would do them good.

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DreamDeaf

It's amazing...how ignorant peeps blames the gay community for the HIV/AIDS virus...especially certain peeps on this forum...where its pretty well documented that the virus emerged in the Congo Republic (West Africa to you ignormasus) and it probably started with chimpanzee (not you, Levonian, we know you're clean and healthy!)...

It probably emerged in the 1940's and 1950's although it is probably older than 100 years - and it was probably obtained by eating chimp meat (Levonian, not you - we love you too much).

For more information, see this link:

http://www.avert.org/origins.htm

The next post will have the articile in full.

Gemtun

What happened to the "Newly Improved TTT" ? I see TTT creeping back into your MissP postings.

Must be tiresome carrying on such facade huh?

DreamDeaf

Debate around the origin of AIDS has sparked considerable interest and controversy since the beginning of the epidemic. However, in trying to identify where AIDS originated, there is a danger that people may try and use the debate to attribute blame for the disease to particular groups of individuals or certain lifestyles.

The first cases of AIDS occurred in the USA in 1981, but they provide little information about the source of the disease. There is now clear evidence that the disease AIDS is caused by the virus HIV. So to find the source of AIDS we need to look for the origin of HIV.

The issue of the origin of HIV could go beyond one of purely academic interest, as an understanding of where the virus originated and how it evolved could be crucial in developing a vaccine against HIV and more effective treatments in the future. Also, a knowledge of how the AIDS epidemic emerged could be important in both mapping the future course of the epidemic and developing effective education and prevention programme.

What type of virus is HIV?

HIV is part of a family or group of viruses called lentiviruses. Lentiviruses other than HIV have been found in a wide range of nonhuman primates. These other lentiviruses are known collectively as simian (monkey) viruses (SIV) where a subscript is used to denote their species of origin.

So where did HIV come from? Did HIV come from an SIV?

It is now generally accepted that HIV is a descendant of simian (monkey) immunodeficiency virus (SIV). Certain simian immunodeficiency viruses bear a very close resemblance to HIV-1 and HIV-2, the two types of HIV.

For example, HIV-2 corresponds to a simian immunodeficiency virus found in the sooty mangabey monkey (SIVsm), sometimes known as the green monkey, which is indigenous to western Africa.

The more virulent strain of HIV, namely HIV-1, was until very recently more difficult to place. Until 1999 the closest counterpart that had been identified was the simian (monkey) immunodeficiency virus that was known to infect chimpanzees (SIVcpz), but this virus had significant differences between it and HIV

So what happened in 1999?

Are chimpanzees now known to be the source of HIV?
In February 1999 it was announced1 that a group of researchers from the University of Alabama had studied frozen tissue from a chimpanzee and found that the simian virus it carried (SIVcpz) was almost identical to HIV-1. The chimpanzee came from a sub-group of chimpanzees known as Pan troglodytes troglodytes, which were once common in west-central Africa.

It is claimed by the researchers that this shows that these chimpanzees were the source of HIV-1, and that the virus at some point crossed species from chimpanzees to human. However, it was not necessarily clear that chimpanzees were the original reservoir for HIV-1 because chimpanzees are only rarely infected with SIVcpz.

The findings of this 10-year long research into the origin and evolution of HIV by Paul Sharp of Nottingham University and Beatrice Hahn of the University of Alabama were published in 20032. They concluded that wild chimps became infected simultaneously with two simian immunodeficiency viruses (SIVs) which had "viral sex" to form a third virus capable of infecting humans and causing AIDS.

Professor Sharp and his colleagues discovered that the chimp virus was an amalgam of the SIV infecting red-capped mangabeys and the virus found in greater spot-nosed monkeys. They believe that the hybridisation took place inside chimps that had become infected with both strains of SIV after hunting and killing the two smaller species of monkey.

How could HIV have crossed species?

It has been known for a long time that certain viruses can pass from animals to humans, and this process is referred to as zoonosis.

The researchers concluded that HIV could have crossed over from chimpanzees as a result of a human killing a chimp and eating it for food.

Some other rather controversial theories have contended that HIV was transferred iatrogenically i.e. via medical experiments. One particularly well publicised theory is that polio vaccines played a role in the transfer.

The journalist Edward Hooper has suggested that HIV could be traced to the testing of an oral polio vaccine called Chat as batches of the Chat vaccine may have been grown in chimp kidney cells in the Congo, the Wistar Institute and Belgium. That could have resulted in the contamination of the vaccine with chimp SIV, the simian version of HIV-1. This vaccine was then given to about a million people in the Belgian Congo, Ruanda and Urundi in the late 1950s.

However, in February 2000 the Wistar Institute in Philadelphia announced that it had discovered in its stores a phial of polio vaccine that had been used as part of this polio vaccination program. The vaccine was subsequently analysed and in April 2001 it was announced3 that no trace had been found of either HIV or chimpanzee. A second analysis4 confirmed that only macaque monkey kidney cells, which cannot be infected with SIV or HIV, were used to make Chat.

What is crucial in regard to the credibility of any theory is the question of when the transfer took place.

Is there any evidence of when the transfer took place?

During the last few years it has become possible not only to determine whether HIV is present in a blood or plasma sample, but also to determine the particular subtype of the virus. Studying the subtype of virus of some of the earliest known instances of HIV infection can help to provide clues about the time of origin and the subsequent evolution of HIV in humans.

Three of the earliest known instances of HIV infection are as follows:

A plasma sample taken in 1959 from an adult male living in what is now the Democratic Republic of Congo

HIV found in tissue samples from an American teenager who died in St. Louis in 1969.

HIV found in tissue samples from a Norwegian sailor who died around 1976.

Analysis in 1998 of the plasma sample from 1959 was interpreted5 as suggesting that HIV-1 was introduced into humans around the 1940s or the early 1950s, which was earlier than had previously been suggested. Other scientists have suggested that it could have been even longer, perhaps around 100 years or more ago.

In January 2000, the results of a new study presented at the 7th Conference on Retroviruses and Opportunistic Infections, suggested that the first case of HIV infection occurred around 1930 in West Africa. The study was carried out by Dr Bette Korber of the Los Alamos National Laboratory. The estimate of 1930 (which does have a 20 year margin of error), is based on a complicated computer model of HIV's evolution.

DreamDeaf

Is it known where the emergence of HIV in humans took place?

Many people now assume that because HIV has apparently developed from a form of SIV found in a type of chimpanzee in West Africa, that is was actually in West Africa that HIV first emerged in humans. It is then presumed that HIV spread from there around the world.

However, as discussed above, chimpanzees are not necessarily the original source of HIV and it is likely that the virus crossed over to humans on more than one occasion.2 So it is quite possible that HIV emerged at the same time in say both South America and Africa, or that it even emerged in the Americas before it emerged in Africa.

We will probably never know exactly when and where the virus first emerged, but what is clear is that sometime in the middle of the 20th century, HIV infection in humans developed into the epidemic of disease around the world that we now refer to as AIDS.

What caused the epidemic to spread so suddenly?

There are a number of factors that may have contributed to the sudden spread including international travel, the blood industry, and widespread drug use.

International Travel

The role of international travel in the spread of HIV was highlighted by the case of 'Patient Zero'. Patient Zero was a Canadian flight attendant called Gaetan Dugas who travelled extensively worldwide. Analysis of several of the early cases of AIDS showed that the infected individuals were either direct or indirect sexual contacts of the flight attendant. These cases could be traced to several different American cities demonstrating the role of international travel in spreading the virus. It also suggested that the disease was probably the consequence of a single transmissible agent.

The Blood Industry

As blood transfusions became a routine part of medical practice, this led to a growth of an industry around meeting this increased demand for blood. In some countries such as the USA paid donors were used, including intravenous drug users. This blood was then sent worldwide. Also, in the late 1960's haemophiliacs began to benefit from the blood clotting properties of a product called Factor VIII. However, to produce the coagulant, blood from thousands of individual donors had to be pooled. Factor VIII was then distributed worldwide making it likely that haemophiliacs could become exposed to new infections.

Drug Use

The 1970s saw an increase in the availability of heroin following the Vietnam War and other conflicts in the Middle East, which helped stimulate a growth in intravenous drug use. This increased availability together with the development of disposable plastic syringes and the establishment of 'shooting galleries' where people could buy drugs and rent equipment provided another route through which the virus could be passed on.

What other theories have there been about the origin of HIV?

Other theories put forward about the origin of HIV include a number of conspiracy theories. Some people have suggested that HIV was manufactured by the CIA whilst others believe that HIV was genetically engineered.

References

F Gao, E Bailes, DL Robertson, Y Chen et al Origin of HIV-1 in the chimpanzee Pan troglodytes troglodytes Nature, 1999: 397: 436-441
Bailes et al., Hybrid Origin of SIV in Chimpanzees, Science 2003 300: 1713
Blanco, P. et al. Nature 410, 1045-1046 (2001)
Berry, N. et al. Nature 410, 1046-1047 (2001)
Zhu, Tuofu, Bette Korber, Andre J Nahinias An African HIV-1 Sequence from 1959 and Implications for the Origin of the Epidemic Nature, 1998: 391: 594-597

Authors

Annabel Kanabus & Sarah Allen.
Last updated January 5, 2005

The*Empress

My stepdad died at the age of 42. And my Stepsister's mom died a year after... And now my Stepsister ain't got no parents.
She was still in high school.

Since my stepdad was 42, he was a heavy smoker and didn't eat right.
And I am 34... to me, my stepdad died so young.

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The*Empress

See there... that enough proof there, yeah since somebody ate
chimp meat or had sex with monkey,,

eating monkey brain, or whatever...
And look what happen in Asia, SARS... eating an animal that look
like a rat or a cat...

see being an open minded, can kill ya.
Curious killed the cat.

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Oceanbreeze

You stated quite a few times how you go into AOL chats and listen to what those people say. So, I guess you're backpedalling about this now, too.

whatever.

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"And I don't want the world to see me
'Cause I don't think that they'd understand
When everything's made to be broken
I just want you to know who I am" ~Goo Goo Dolls Iris