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Unread 08-29-2011, 02:03 PM   #151 (permalink)
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One can say same for you. You seem to believe most slaughterhouses do this horrible stuff. You seem to believe that it's best if we all don't eat meat so that slaughterhouse will go away and cows/pigs/chickens will live happily ever and get to live to old age.

That (bold printed above).... is an animal cruelty too.
No, I said we shouldn't support FACTORY farming. Have been saying that the whole time.

And I am an advcocate for animals so I do a lot of research and no, I don't just read radical advocates' websites, I also do a lot of reading on government's websites in relation to agricultural farming and also the news in relation to factory farming.

I am one of the most skeptical people you will ever meet so you can be sure that I researched carefully before making opinions for I don't like PETA any more than you do for the exact same reasons. I just like plain straightforward facts and having a grip on reality.
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Unread 08-29-2011, 02:09 PM   #152 (permalink)
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No, I said we shouldn't support FACTORY farming. Have been saying that the whole time.

And I am an advcocate for animals so I do a lot of research and no, I don't just read radical advocates' websites, I also do a lot of reading on government's websites in relation to agricultural farming and also the news in relation to factory farming.

I am one of the most skeptical people you will ever meet so you can be sure that I researched carefully before making opinions for I don't like PETA any more than you do for the exact same reasons. I just like plain straightforward facts and having a grip on reality.
yea? then you shouldn't have suggested Earthlings since it's misleading.
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Unread 08-29-2011, 02:10 PM   #153 (permalink)
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You want people to stop supporting puppy mill? Then educate the public about the misconception with spaying/neutering, consequence of not spaying/neutering their pets, etc.... not fear-mongering them by showing them animal cruelty behind the scene.
We, humans, are the ones imposing this cruelty so we might as well look at it for exactly what it is instead of saying 'well, we don't need to hear or see such things".

Yeah, we do. It's too easy to pretend it's not so bad if we haven't got a grasp of what such cruelty really means or in what forms it takes.

Anyway, I've had this argument so many times that I'm actually kinda weary of going through it again. So, backing out now.
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Unread 08-29-2011, 02:18 PM   #154 (permalink)
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yea? then you shouldn't have suggested Earthlings since it's misleading.
Misleading how exactly?
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Misleading how exactly?
why did it not show both sides?

don't you think this video is very one-sided and that it can lead people to assume that most slaughterhouses are like this?
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I havent seen this earthling video........ But... Factory farming - If you guys have any questions about it, I work in this very system every fall. I can tell you every pro/con about it.

I can even make a video that makes factory farming look great. I'm only a mile from two large feedlots.

The only cruelty at these feedlots I can see is that the cows wade around in mud sometimes after rain.
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Actually, I think its more civil than hunting them down. This is a reason I haven't went out and killed a bambi or something of that nature. The factor of them running away injured is too much for me.
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Another product you don't expect gelatin in: Power Bars.

Not the "regular" kind, but types like the "double chocolate brownie" and peanut butter. The kind that is thicker/creamier (don't know how else to describe) in the middle.
Another one: Casein protein in almond cheese or some sort of cheese...

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One sentence....yes one. We are ominvores and we eat both plant and animals, we have teeth designed to chew both plant and animals.
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We, humans, are the ones imposing this cruelty so we might as well look at it for exactly what it is instead of saying 'well, we don't need to hear or see such things".

Yeah, we do. It's too easy to pretend it's not so bad if we haven't got a grasp of what such cruelty really means or in what forms it takes.

Anyway, I've had this argument so many times that I'm actually kinda weary of going through it again. So, backing out now.
We are aware of it and we don't need to be shown like this in order to influence our choice into their favor. It's egregious and hypocritical. By doing that, you don't get to criticize about politicians or corporations because you're in same boat as them. A dirty fear-mongering business.

There are better ways to engage in intellectual conversation that will provoke people into thinking about choices they make. Let them think about it on their own terms without us influencing them with horrible stuff from both sides.
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One sentence....yes one. We are ominvores and we eat both plant and animals, we have teeth designed to chew both plant and animals.
Teeth does not really signify what we eat. Its our blood type too.
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One sentence....yes one. We are ominvores and we eat both plant and animals, we have teeth designed to chew both plant and animals.
Teeth does not really signify what we eat. Its our blood type too.
Yes it does. Go back and watch science. Not all animals have the same type of teeth.
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ldnanna, souggy - yes, i tried b complex (spray and pills), and a countless list of other things recommended by other vegans that knows their stuff. Why do you guys think it lasted 8 months? I had problems in the first month...

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yes it does. Go back and watch science. Not all animals have the same type of teeth.
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yes it does. Go back and watch science. Not all animals have the same type of teeth.
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Yes it does. Go back and watch science. Not all animals have the same type of teeth.
PFH's saying that you cannot judge what animals eat based on their teeth. You'll have to look at species's blood type because it's what metabolizes the food.

Just because my teeth shows that I can eat both animal and plant does not mean I can eat same plant as panda bear. and cow cannot eat corn like me.
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Yes it does. Go back and watch science. Not all animals have the same type of teeth.
PFH's saying that you cannot judge what animals eat based on their teeth. You'll have to look at species's blood type because it's what metabolizes the food.

Just because my teeth shows that I can eat both animal and plant does not mean I can eat same plant as panda bear. and cow cannot eat corn like me.
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You should care because of how some disgusting food factories are making our food as cheap as possible and our body is not designed to metabolize it.

example - gluing meat together
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You should care because of how some disgusting food factories are making our food as cheap as possible and our body is not designed to metabolize it.

example - gluing meat together
i saw that and went WTF.
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You should care because of how some disgusting food factories are making our food as cheap as possible and our body is not designed to metabolize it.

example - gluing meat together
I'm talking about in general. For example, a hippo cannot eat meat because its how their teeth are designed to eat plants. Altho a bear is mostly a meat eater but will eat plants for survival. I guess blood type also counts too. It depends on the animal tho. I don't think a animal with no teeth can eat plants because they need it to chew plants. Like lizards eat instects whole.
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I'm talking about in general.
ya. and we're talking in specific.

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oh? that's new to me. I'm a bear hugger. Bears are omnivores but their diet is mostly vegetation.

If an animal is mostly meat eater but will eat plants for survival.... that's a carnivore.

Believe it or not - most omnivore's diet is mostly vegetation. That goes for grizzly bears too.
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I'm talking about in general. For example, a hippo cannot eat meat because its how their teeth are designed to eat plants. Altho a bear is mostly a meat eater but will eat plants for survival. I guess blood type also counts too. It depends on the animal tho. I don't think a animal with no teeth can eat plants because they need it to chew plants. Like lizards eat instects whole.
like i said.. teeth does not really signify. I did not say "Teeth type DOES NOT mean anything" It does suggest the animal's diet but to know for a fact - you would need to check the blood.
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i saw that and went WTF.
I think you posted that info before.
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I will stay out of this thread now. I seriously thought it would be for info regarding likes and dislikes about the food itself and going on those diets or not. I did not know the thread would turn into a debate on the ethics or whatever about the "seamy, disgusting" side of going vegetarian.
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ldnanna, souggy - yes, i tried b complex (spray and pills), and a countless list of other things recommended by other vegans that knows their stuff. Why do you guys think it lasted 8 months? I had problems in the first month...

Thanks for the suggestions.
I gave up vegetarianism/veganism for the same reason as you did.

That study I linked explained why it's not a good idea to be a vegan; and why some vegetarians are loopy.
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ya. and we're talking in specific.


oh? that's new to me. I'm a bear hugger. Bears are omnivores but their diet is mostly vegetation.

If an animal is mostly meat eater but will eat plants for survival.... that's a carnivore.

Believe it or not - most omnivore's diet is mostly vegetation. That goes for grizzly bears too.
Actually, most bears engage in kleptoparasitism.
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oh? that's new to me. I'm a bear hugger. Bears are omnivores but their diet is mostly vegetation.

If an animal is mostly meat eater but will eat plants for survival.... that's a carnivore.

Believe it or not - most omnivore's diet is mostly vegetation. That goes for grizzly bears too.
The bears look like they eat meat because of the claws and their scary teeth. Maybe they eat meat if they wanted to.
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why did it not show both sides?

don't you think this video is very one-sided and that it can lead people to assume that most slaughterhouses are like this?
So you think most slaughterhouses are not like that? Why would factory farming be cruel but their slaughterhouses wouldn't be? Even in Food, Inc they've shown that they can only get illegal immigrants or ex-cons to work in the slaughterhouses because they are so horrific that nobody wants to work there.

If you're able to provide proof that most slaughterhouses are not like what was shown in earthlings, then I'll sit up and listen.

Of course earthlings was one-sided, it's showing the side the public never sees, that's the whole point.
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i saw that and went WTF.
I saw a video of how chicken nuggets are made and that was one of the most disgusting things I had ever seen in my life. And very shocking to find out they use bleach to kill off all the diseases in the meat first. A lot of it.
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