LDNanna

The veg problem isnt the protein but the B complexes. True that.

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CSign

Another product you don't expect gelatin in: Power Bars.

Not the "regular" kind, but types like the "double chocolate brownie" and peanut butter. The kind that is thicker/creamier (don't know how else to describe) in the middle.

ladysolitary85

Yea there are a lot of tricky companies out there that slips somethings in foods we don't think about.

Seriously, I saw on a slim jim jerky the other day "made from mechanical parts of chicken"..... At least they didn't use some fancy word of a animal part to hide whats really in it. If we had label bluntly saying whats in what, I don't think people would eat it.

I went back to my cash register and every day I work, right in front of me a bags of jerky. I keep thinking to myself.... as months pass "This animal could of lived instead of staying in a bag for months".

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Jiro

I have a problem with that comment.

That's not the right way to debate. I've seen Earthlings and it is very convincing but exorbitantly misleading. One should debate about meat vs. vegetable scientifically instead of using "poor Bambi" card. Earthlings reeks of PETA or a certain special interest group that represents lucrative vegetable businesses.

In Earthlings video, all we see is one slaughterhouse that grossly butchered animals in the most inhumane way that violates every belief we have.

Why did they not show a slaughterhouse that has ethic and moral? Why did they not show animals at free-grazed farms? Food, Inc. did that. Earthlings is a very stupid and poorly-made video with misguided agenda. Food, Inc. is a much better suggestion to give people a more informed decision on what they're eating and what happens in background from their food purchase.

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souggy

Vitamin B12.

A Vegetarian Diet Shrinks the Brain - Asylum.com
http://www.ajcn.org/content/89/2/707S.full

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souggy

The problem is they didn't really address why factory farms exist in the first place. I means... McDonald's is cheaper and more filling, not necessarily more nutritious, than an apple for the same price pound for pound.

Hell, in places like Alaska, tinned meat and frozen beef is cheaper than a loaf of bread or fresh vegetables. I know-- I have been to those far northern places.

Notice per capita there are more vegans and vegetarians in California than anywhere else in the States? Think about the agricultural scene in California and the implication that has for the food prices.

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souggy

Um... You might not want to read the FDA's food regulations... or look up how soy sauce is made. Or a billion other things related to grains and vegetables easily as gross as animal byproducts. It's a bit hypocritical to assert such beliefs.

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DeafCaroline

Maybe because kind and moral is not that common when it comes to treatment of animals. It's too bad you missed the point of "earthlings". And also, no, not all you see in earthlings is a slaughterhouse. Did you see the whole film? It shows how animals raised for profit are treated. i.e. pet stores, puppy mills, animals shelters and factory farms.

dogmom

"Food Inc" I saw. "Earthlings" I didn't know of.
There was a time when I thought everybody "should be" vegan. Now I think that a more plant-based diet is more reasonable for some or even many societies/cultures but not necessarily everyone. What I do think though is that many people especially in urban areas can learn to be more aware of how and what they eat affects the planet, where their food comes from, and can learn more respectful and humane ways to eat animal-based products.

dogmom

I stopped eating veal in 8th grade, that was the first thing I changed about my eating.
The last time I ate in McDonald's was in ninth grade, I remember because I was with one of my few high school friends and we'd had such a good time together that day.

CSign

I agree with you, Dogmom. I don't have a problem with other people choosing to eat meat. I do have a problem with people supporting companies and factory farms that consistently torture animals for human consumption.

I was never a big fan of McDonalds, but ever since I found out the truth behind the facade I won't support it. My son knows not to bother asking me to take him there- because I won't.

DeafCaroline

you eat at Taco Bell but you have a problem with people supporting companies and factory farms that consistently torture animals for human consumption?

Err...

dogmom

DC and CSign

CSign

Correction: I ate at Taco Bell. Not anymore. Also, I hadn't seen or heard of any bad practices by them. If I had, I wouldn't have gone there. Are you aware of something about Taco Bell that I'm not?

Either way, I'm no longer patronizing them so...

DeafCaroline

It was my understanding you go there when you're in the mood for junk food. didn't know you no longer patronize there. One can safely assume all fast food chains get their meat from factory farms to keep the costs down.

CSign

My 7th grade science teacher taught us about what happens when we assume things.

Since then, I make every effort not to make assumptions.

dogmom

Taco Bell and Immokalee Workers: Coalition of Immokalee Workers
<campaign for more fair wages for tomato pickers>

dogmom

The real cost of cheap food is hidden by use of farm subsidies and things like the worker's conditions in the above link.
healthy, real food grown/cared for/cooked in a manner that is sustainable for those who work in it in whatever way, cannot be sold in mass quantities for the kind of prices that fast food offers.

"fast"/processed food in whatever restaurant or chain comes at a price. if it's cheap, ask yourself - why? who benefits?

not everyone does have the luxury of asking that....but it is the case.

DeafCaroline

Ok...let me rephrase - based on what we know about fast food chains and how they make their profits selling such cheap foods, one can safely presume, given easily accessible information about their products, that they get their meat from factory farms.

Meat from non-factory farms tend to be much more expensive.

It's all common sense here.

Jiro

hence... my Post #83
most of people I have encountered who converted to vegetarians/vegans solely based on "Poor Bambi" sympathy have comical reasoning for their stance against meat. very comical.

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Jiro

Yes I did and it has not changed me to become vegetarian.

All I have is one comment for Earthlings movie - "yea so?"

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DeafCaroline

Oh, so cruelty towards animals gets a "yeah...so?" response from you? Would you say the same thing if I decide that your cat looks really delicious and kill it so I can eat it because I'm hungry and there's nothing wrong with eating animals?

Or would you still shrug and say so? if I decide your dog should live in a wire cage that is too small for him and the wires would make his feet hurt all day every day?

Jiro, c'mon. I find your post disturbing that in face of such widespread cruelty, you shrug and say so? 10 billion animals are killed every year for their meat and tens of millions of animals are killed in shelters every year because no one wants them. Puppies and kittens are raised on cruel mills and many die because of their living condition and you shrug and say so?

Sad.

Jiro

so... what do you propose? there are only 2 solutions - extinct them. or we go extinct so that this won't happen.

Yes I said "yea so?" because what are you trying to tell me? I don't do any of these cruel stuff that you mentioned in your post and I don't deny the fact that animal cruelty is happening. So why pull the "Poor Bambi" card on me or anybody else? You cannot convince people logically and rationally without playing on their emotions? How does that make you different from politicians using fear-mongering tactics to make people support their war games?

Whenever people use "Poor Bambi" card... it usually reeks of hypocrisy. This tactic always fail and it never works. That applies for certain people using fear-mongering propaganda.

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DeafCaroline

I didn't play the poor Bambi card but if we're going to talk about animal cruelty, we have to acknowledge it for what it is and acknowledge what kind of cruelty takes place. How can one discuss the graphic nature of this cruelty without being accused of playing the poor bambi card? How can anyone understand the extent of this cruelty if we don't illustrate exactly what it is with photos and videos and descriptive writing? Just the word "cruelty" alone doesn't describe anything.

Secondly, there are solutions - don't buy from factory farms, adopt animals, not buy them from pet stores or puppy mills. The more informed you are, the better choices you make. That's the whole point of earthlings - to bring the truth about such industries to the public - to make them see for themselves what really goes on because it's not exactly on the front page of the news every day, it's always hidden from view so it's easy for us to buy meat at the grocery store completely clueless to how that meat came about in the first place, how it was raised, how it was treated, how it was fed. Films like earthlings show humans exactly the entire process from the day a cow or a chicken was born to when they are slaughtered.

If one cannot bear witness to such processes, then maybe they shouldn't be endorsing it with their dollars which is another point earthlings was making. If you cannot bear to keep your eyes open and see for yourself what really goes in terms of cruelty in animal shelters, puppy mills and factory farms, then don't support it.

KristinaB

This is the part of going vegetarian that I really don't like. I did it for the healthy benefits and such. I just detest all the stuff regarding the "cruelty" to animals. A lot of animals were bred or raised purely for food. A person does not need to see all the gory stuff that a few places are guilty of. I have been through some very clean and humane cattle processing and pork processing plants before. Yes, there are the crappy places, but then they do not get inspected like they should.

I have gone vegetarian on the advice of my doctor. He thinks it will help me in my efforts to lose weight, gain more energy and achieve overall healthiness. I will be monitored by the doctor and my mother will be as well. She will have to have regular blood work, but then she already does once a month as it is.

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DeafCaroline

Sigh. It's not just "a few places". Whatever. People will believe what they want to believe.

KristinaB

It's also not every single last place that processes meat of any form.

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Jiro

Was it necessary to make people change their mind by recommending Earthlings video?

You're talking about just one bad slaughterhouse. one bad puppy mill. one bad farmer. It is no different from politicians using fear-mongering tactics to "show" the truth to people to gain their favors.

There are other ways to show the truth and to convince people but this is not the right way to do so. Food, Inc. is a much better method to provoke people into having an intellectual discussion about our food and animals with all sides factored in.

Earthlings is stupid. It did not give me anything to make an informed decision. It's one-sided and it's a fear-mongering video to disgust people into giving up meat and they didn't realize that they will be supporting vegetable industry which will eventually end up like meat industry - vegetable cruelty... forcing plants to grow unnaturally during out of season and beyond its original size. investing in genetically modified food. etc.

You want people to stop supporting puppy mill? Then educate the public about the misconception with spaying/neutering, consequence of not spaying/neutering their pets, etc.... not fear-mongering them by showing them animal cruelty behind the scene.

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Jiro

One can say same for you. You seem to believe most slaughterhouses do this horrible stuff. You seem to believe that it's best if we all don't eat meat so that slaughterhouse will go away and cows/pigs/chickens will live happily ever and get to live to old age.

That (bold printed above).... is an animal cruelty too.

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