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jillio · 06-24-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

yes it does. It covers it, doesn't it?

Uhh...no, it doesn't. Perhaps if you will explain the concept to your understanding, I can point out where you are making that mistake.
business and stock market is the old game of psychology. It is not uncommon of companies to hire the consultant with psychology degree to reorganize their policy or workforce.

Right. It is known as organizational psychology. Which is why economic theories are covered, and why many economic theories are based on psychology and sociological concepts. And also why someone with a degree in either is quite familiar with the theories.

for ie - Googlefantalism - an explanation to why its retention rate is relatively shaky.

Quite true.

Hear Again · 06-24-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Two egos battling it out!

(munch...munch....now I'm thristy!)

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

jillio · 06-24-2009, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Two egos battling it out!

(munch...munch....now I'm thristy!)

Only from your perspective.

Jiro and I were actually having a discussion of borrowed theories. I didn't expect you to recognize that, though.

kokonut · 06-24-2009, 12:36 PM

Egos battling it out!!

We know it when we see it.

(pass me the popcorn folks....need more!)

kokonut · 06-24-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Not quite. We all have egos. Even me. What we are witnessing are two egos going at each other albeit in a nice way.

jillio · 06-24-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Egos battling it out!!

We know it when we see it.

(pass me the popcorn folks....need more!)

"We"? You got a mouse in your pocket?

**Jiro** · 06-24-2009, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Uhh...no, it doesn't. Perhaps if you will explain the concept to your understanding, I can point out where you are making that mistake.

For Dyadic Relationship... simply put - Message Sent not equal to Message Received

Now why did I mention it does cover in low-income people? Because I got the gist that you are mostly working with low-income people or "unfortunate" people based on your posts.

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Originally Posted by jillio

Right. It is known as organizational psychology. Which is why economic theories are covered, and why many economic theories are based on psychology and sociological concepts. And also why someone with a degree in either is quite familiar with the theories.

Yep - as long as there is people, there's psychology which is why I took a few courses in it relating to technology and management.

jillio · 06-24-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

For Dyadic Relationship... simply put - Message Sent not equal to Message Received

Actually, it is a bit more complicated than that. You have failed to note the behavioral component, and that is actually what is influential in the theory.

Now why did I mention it does cover in low-income people? Because I got the gist that you are mostly working with low-income people or "unfortunate" people based on your posts.

How does one having encountered unfortuate circumstances determine income level? Upper income level individuals encounter unfortunate circumstances, too. In fact, the vast majority of people seeking therapeutic assistance fall in the middle income levels and above.

Yep - as long as there is people, there's psychology which is why I took a few courses in it relating to technology and management.

You took undergrad courses in Organizational Psychology?

kokonut · 06-24-2009, 01:08 PM

*munch* *munch*

Pass me the salt, please.

**Jiro** · 06-24-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Actually, it is a bit more complicated than that. You have failed to note the behavioral component, and that is actually what is influential in the theory.

Hence.... my comment - "simply put". Of course it's more complicated than that because many does not care nor would remember your verbose explanation. It's just simply easier to explain it in layman term in few words

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Originally Posted by jillio

How does one having encountered unfortuate circumstances determine income level? Upper income level individuals encounter unfortunate circumstances, too. In fact, the vast majority of people seeking therapeutic assistance fall in the middle income levels and above.

Like I said - I got the gist that you mainly work with low-income people. So I was right that Dyadic Reciprocity does occur in low-income people.... and I'm not talking about some counseling session like "my life sucks...."

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You took undergrad courses in Organizational Psychology?

very similar. I had a great opportunity to learn from a very successful business professor who consults for DoD, AT&T, and some Fortune 100 companies. He specializes in "Knowledge Management" field along with organizational psychology.

Hear Again · 06-24-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

"We"? You got a mouse in your pocket?

jillio · 06-24-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

Hence.... my comment - "simply put". Of course it's more complicated than that because many does not care nor would remember your verbose explanation. It's just simply easier to explain it in layman term in few words

But I'm not a layman.

And I'm just asking for the behavioral component, because it is actually what the theory is based on and how it is applied.

Like I said - I got the gist that you mainly work with low-income people. So I was right that Dyadic Reciprocity does occur in low-income people.... and I'm not talking about some counseling session like "my life sucks...."

Dyadic Reciprocity actually occurs in all populations, not just low income. In fact, it is occurring right now.

Very few counseling sessions are built on "my life sucks".

very similar. I had a great opportunity to learn from a very successful business professor who consults for DoD, AT&T, and some Fortune 100 companies. He specializes in "Knowledge Management" field along with organizational psychology.

He was a business professor with a PhD in Psychology? The only way one can specialize in organizational psychology is with a PhD in organizational psychology, and those courses are not offered below the Doctorate level. And one can't specialize in what one does not have a degree in. Just asking for clarification, here.

Hear Again · 06-24-2009, 01:34 PM

Jillio said: "Very few counseling sessions are built on 'My life sucks'"

Sorry, but I thought that comment was funny even if it is true.

**Jiro** · 06-24-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

But I'm not a layman. And I'm just asking for the behavioral component, because it is actually what the theory is based on and how it is applied.

But I am.

I only have a very very basic understanding of it. Beyond that... whew!

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Originally Posted by jillio

Dyadic Reciprocity actually occurs in all populations, not just low income. In fact, it is occurring right now.

Very few counseling sessions are built on "my life sucks".

yes I acknowledge that but I was talking specifically about you. Now I know that you work with clients of all income levels.

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Originally Posted by jillio

He was a business professor with a PhD in Psychology? The only way one can specialize in organizational psychology is with a PhD in organizational psychology, and those courses are not offered below the Doctorate level. And one can't specialize in what one does not have a degree in. Just asking for clarification, here.

He has PhD in.... in.... damn my shitty memory but it's not organizational psychology. He's an old man so he's quite familiar with it. He often shared and mentioned about it with us along with his teaching material so I only have a very basic rudimentary understanding of O.P. He, of course, told us that if we're very interested in it... we would have to go to grad school

I'm pleased to find out recently (link) that there is a new law protecting the students from being screwed by college loans. Looks like I can go attend grad school with peace of mind... but it's not gong to be O.P.

jillio · 06-24-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

But I am.

I only have a very very basic understanding of it. Beyond that... whew!

yes I acknowledge that but I was talking specifically about you. Now I know that you work with clients of all income levels.

He has PhD in.... in.... damn my shitty memory but it's not organizational psychology. He's an old man so he's quite familiar with it. He often shared and mentioned about it with us along with his teaching material so I only have a very basic rudimentary understanding of O.P. He, of course, told us that if we're very interested in it... we would have to go to grad school

I'm pleased to find out recently (link) that there is a new law protecting the students from being screwed by college loans. Looks like I can go attend grad school with peace of mind... but it's not gong to be O.P.

Yep. Just be careful and read throroughly. It applies mostly to students that serve in the public sector following grad school, and actually extends the payments so that you are in danger of paying more in interest.

But then, if you are interested in serving in the public sector, you can work for 5 years in a disadvantaged area, and end up with quite a bit of loan forgiveness.

They are shortening the FAFSA, too. You can now complete it online with only 10 screens instead of 30.

**Jiro** · 06-24-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Yep. Just be careful and read throroughly. It applies mostly to students that serve in the public sector following grad school, and actually extends the payments so that you are in danger of paying more in interest.

it boggled me which is why I didn't mail out my application. With this new law... I feel a bit more at ease. I don't want my current college loan debt to be ballooned to GWB scale

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Originally Posted by jillio

But then, if you are interested in serving in the public sector, you can work for 5 years in a disadvantaged area, and end up with quite a bit of loan forgiveness.

I'm not sure if I want to work in a disadvantaged area. I like money. lot of money. My ulterior motive to work in public sector was to get a big fat cash in private sector. I just have a different way of doing the civil service

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Originally Posted by jillio

They are shortening the FAFSA, too. You can now complete it online with only 10 screens instead of 30.

hallelujah!!! *russian celebratory dancing*

Hear Again · 06-24-2009, 02:11 PM

Jiro,

Another nice thing about the online FAFSA is that you don't have to start from scratch when completing it. You just have to fill out a renewal application which already has 90% of the information you input the last time you completed it.

jillio · 06-24-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

Jiro,

Another nice thing about the online FAFSA is that you don't have to start from scratch when completing it. You just have to fill out a renewal application which already has 90% of the information you input the last time you completed it.

The IRS will also be offering a link to allow you to directly download financial information directly from your online tax form beginning in January.

**Jiro** · 06-24-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

Jiro,

Another nice thing about the online FAFSA is that you don't have to start from scratch when completing it. You just have to fill out a renewal application which already has 90% of the information you input the last time you completed it.

yep. I don't know why but whenever I do online FAFSA, I get bit stressed out because it has too many questions and I constantly worried about not being able to get $$$$ in time just because I answered some simple questions wrong or whatever.

**Jiro** · 06-24-2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

The IRS will also be offering a link to allow you to directly download financial information directly from your online tax form beginning in January.

you don't say!!!! it's about time! *russian celebratory dancing*

jillio · 06-24-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

yep. I don't know why but whenever I do online FAFSA, I get bit stressed out because it has too many questions and I constantly worried about not being able to get $$$$ in time just because I answered some simple questions wrong or whatever.

Agreed. It used to be a pain in the rear.

jillio · 06-24-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

you don't say!!!! it's about time! *russian celebratory dancing*

Moving into the tech age. About time!

Hear Again · 06-24-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

yep. I don't know why but whenever I do online FAFSA, I get bit stressed out because it has too many questions and I constantly worried about not being able to get $$$$ in time just because I answered some simple questions wrong or whatever.

I believe it will highlight any inconsistent or incorrect information. I had more trouble with the hardcopy form since the person who was reading and filling it out for me always seemed to skip a question and then I'd get it back indicating that there was missing information.

Hear Again · 06-24-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

The IRS will also be offering a link to allow you to directly download financial information directly from your online tax form beginning in January.

I don't complete taxes yet, but when I do, that will be a nice feature!

Hear Again · 06-24-2009, 03:01 PM

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Moving into the tech age. About time!

Medicaid also allows you to complete forms online.

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kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	Egos battling it out!! We know it when we see it. (pass me the popcorn folks....need more!)

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kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	munch munch Pass me the salt, please.

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Hear Again Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,122 Blog Entries: 6	Jillio said: "Very few counseling sessions are built on 'My life sucks'" Sorry, but I thought that comment was funny even if it is true.

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Hear Again Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,122 Blog Entries: 6	Jiro, Another nice thing about the online FAFSA is that you don't have to start from scratch when completing it. You just have to fill out a renewal application which already has 90% of the information you input the last time you completed it.