Non Health Related Off Topic Issues

**Jolie77** · 02-02-2009, 08:39 PM

I wanted to lay out some few things in this thread.

I've noticed that there are a lot of threads that are often hijacked with mental disorder issues. There are a lot of threads that are non-health related being hijacked with comments regarding of mental disorder discussions. This really need to be stopped because it loses the purpose of a certain thread when other members would like to be able to discuss a specific topic rather than letting the thread go astray with mental disroder issues or rather, letting it be overlapped by a conversation that leads to elsewhere. It's been given the repeatable cycle. It's like asking for a broken record to be played over and over again.

This is not in a way to say that I'm insensitive or being mean about it. I'm not saying that you shouldn't be doing this or that. This is to only to make it clear that if any one of you want to discuss about a certain issue - It'd be better to create another thread or go to a correct thread that is health related to a mental disorder topic that you wish to discuss. Please at least give some respect to other threads and discuss about the original issue. At least, stick to to the original thread instead of discussing a whole different issue on a thread that is not even related to the original post.

I think it would also be fair enough for other threads to have a breather and to discuss about this certain topic for what thread it has to offer.

Also, I've noticed a thing after another - When a thread goes astray with mental disorder issues, I often see that there is almost NO respect at all for going off topic and it continues to be off topic. I'm not talking about one or two posts that goes off topic. It's fine to be off topic once in a while but when it is constantly off topic - that is where it needs to be changed.

If you guys have any feedback or wish to discuss about this issue, Please do so and of course, with respect as well.

Babyblue · 02-02-2009, 08:50 PM

I agree. A lot of the threads are turning into a mental health issue. Some posters have said other posters are insensitive towards their illness and posts triggers their illness. We do not know what triggers what. A public forum may not be the best place to go if it triggers negative emotions and memories.

**shel90** · 02-02-2009, 08:52 PM

Sorry for going offttopic..sometimes, I click on the "last" post of a thread without looking at the topic and respond to that post without thinking whether it was offtopic or not. Bad habit, I guess.

***VamPyroX*** · 02-02-2009, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Sorry for going offttopic..sometimes, I click on the "last" post of a thread without looking at the topic and respond to that post without thinking whether it was offtopic or not. Bad habit, I guess.

There are two ways to do it...

Clicking on

takes you to the first UNREAD post in that thread. If you've already visited that thread in the past and 7 new posts were made to that thread later, clicking on that would take you to the first of those 7 new posts.

Clicking on

takes you to the last post in that thread. It doesn't matter if it was READ or UNREAD, it's still the last post in that thread. By clicking on that, you're missing out a lot of what's going on in the thread.

***VamPyroX*** · 02-02-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

I agree. A lot of the threads are turning into a mental health issue. Some posters have said other posters are insensitive towards their illness and posts triggers their illness. We do not know what triggers what. A public forum may not be the best place to go if it triggers negative emotions and memories.

I agree.

If it bothers you, don't go any further. Just ignore it.

This is a public forum. We can't be expected to change everything so that it satisfies one person because it was offensive or caused nightmares.

If it was an one-on-one conversation through IM, PM, VM, or in person... then feel free to express your concerns if that other person does or says something that offended you or caused mental harm to you.

If it's in a public thread related to another subject, then jumping in and telling everyone that it gave you nightmares is like trying to ruin the thread when that wasn't their intention.

Babyblue · 02-02-2009, 09:13 PM

I'm also guilty of going off topic once in a while.

I'm sure we all are.

Babyblue · 02-02-2009, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

I agree.

If it bothers you, don't go any further. Just ignore it.

This is a public forum. We can't be expected to change everything so that it satisfies one person because it was offensive or caused nightmares.

If it was an one-on-one conversation through IM, PM, VM, or in person... then feel free to express your concerns if that other person does or says something that offended you or caused mental harm to you.

If it's in a public thread related to another subject, then jumping in and telling everyone that it gave you nightmares is like trying to ruin the thread when that wasn't their intention.

exactly!!

I feel it is making a lot of posters feel like they are walking on an eggshell. It is not fair to them.

Just an opinion.

**Jolie77** · 02-02-2009, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

I agree. A lot of the threads are turning into a mental health issue. Some posters have said other posters are insensitive towards their illness and posts triggers their illness. We do not know what triggers what. A public forum may not be the best place to go if it triggers negative emotions and memories.

I agree.

Don't get me wrong - I do enjoy reading information that comes in light which are related to the mental health issues. Some of them I find so interesting to read.

A public forum is only to serve for everyone else to participate in it rather than letting everyone else stay on the fence being unsure of what to say just because it is unsettling for a certain member. It shouldn't be like this at all.

Also another thing is -- This forum is not the place where a person can come to ask for professional help. We cannot help him/her with that. They will still need to see their counselor/psychiatrist.

That is why I brought this thread up to make it clear that it is still ok to discuss about mental health issues but at the same time, at least - to bring some respect for other threads that has nothing to do with mental health issues.

As for walking on the eggshell - We shouldn't be treated like this or to deserve this.

Babyblue · 02-02-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolie77

I agree.

Don't get me wrong - I do enjoy reading information that comes in light which are related to the mental health issues. Some of them I find so interesting to read.

A public forum is only to serve for everyone else to participate in it rather than letting everyone else stay on the fence being unsure of what to say just because it is unsettling for a certain member. It shouldn't be like this at all.

Also another thing is -- This forum is not the place where a person can come to ask for professional help. We cannot help him/her with that. They will still need to see their counselor/psychiatrist.

That is why I brought this thread up to make it clear that it is still ok to discuss about mental health issues but at the same time, at least - to bring some respect for other threads that has nothing to do with mental health issues.

As for walking on the eggshell - We shouldn't be treated like this or to deserve this.

I agree.

One question if, I may ask.

How do you mods and this site handle "suicide threats" online. Are these people reported to their local authority?

If not, I feel they all should be.

Mrs Bucket · 02-02-2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolie77

I agree.

Don't get me wrong - I do enjoy reading information that comes in light which are related to the mental health issues. Some of them I find so interesting to read.

A public forum is only to serve for everyone else to participate in it rather than letting everyone else stay on the fence being unsure of what to say just because it is unsettling for a certain member. It shouldn't be like this at all.

Also another thing is -- This forum is not the place where a person can come to ask for professional help. We cannot help him/her with that. They will still need to see their counselor/psychiatrist.

That is why I brought this thread up to make it clear that it is still ok to discuss about mental health issues but at the same time, at least - to bring some respect for other threads that has nothing to do with mental health issues.

As for walking on the eggshell - We shouldn't be treated like this or to deserve this.

Thank you so much because today I felt fed up with walking on eggshells and flowering up my posts to mollycoddle some people.

They should take personal responsibility themselves, not us. It's odd when members ask us to watch how we word our posts so we don't trigger them when we should feel comfortable posting here.

It's all about personal responsibility here, don't post too much information that can damage you here on the internet.

Hear Again · 02-02-2009, 10:14 PM

i'm sorry, but i don't see anywhere any ad'er has specifically requested that someone else not post something because it is a trigger. if any of you can point me in the direction of a post and/or thread where this has happened, i would appreciate it.

having said that, i admit my responsibility in talking about bipolar when it is off-topic and getting too wound up in some threads so that i rapid cycle. i'm trying to improve on my ability to leave threads that annoy or irritate me.

SFShawn13 · 02-02-2009, 10:16 PM

LOL @ Miss Bucket twisting words.

Hear Again · 02-02-2009, 10:19 PM

funny how someone without mental illness can tell the rest of us to take personal responsibility when they have NO idea what it's like to have mental illness.

Hear Again · 02-02-2009, 10:23 PM

i'd also like to say one more thing and this will be the last comment i make in this thread for now. i have problems with rapid cycling due to my bipolar and am doing the best i can to leave threads that irritate or anger me. having said that, rapid cycling is still something i can't help and will always be an issue for me despite my being on meds. the fact is, there are going to be times where i rapid cycle. there's nothing i can do to prevent that. at the same time, i will do everything i can to remove myself from those threads which have the potential to cause rapid cycling.

Hear Again · 02-02-2009, 10:32 PM

i also think those who admittedly feign suicidal ideations and psychosis ought to be permanently banned from ad.

**Reba** · 02-02-2009, 10:35 PM

It's true that people without mental illnesses might not understand all that's involved but that's even more reason not to expect us to word our posts in ways that won't trigger a rapid cycle or some other negative mental reaction. The posters without mental illnesses are not responsible for the mental health issues of other posters.

No one should mock or be harsh about mental illness but neither should posters be afraid to engage in debate lest someone be blamed for setting off another poster's mental upset.

Oceanbreeze · 02-02-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs Bucket

Thank you so much because today I felt fed up with walking on eggshells and flowering up my posts to mollycoddle some people.

They should take personal responsibility themselves, not us. It's odd when members ask us to watch how we word our posts so we don't trigger them when we should feel comfortable posting here.

It's all about personal responsibility here, don't post too much information that can damage you here on the internet.

I agree. It's about personal responsiblity and I am one that does take personal responsiblity for the things that trigger me. If I find myself getting upset, I leave. Having said that, I also think and feel it's perfectly OK for us to say to someone "That triggered me." It's about empowerment. Unless you've been in our situations, you shouldn't judge. If you feel like you've walked on eggshells around people, use ignore. It's very simple. You can also use your PM and send a message, too.

Until you walk a mile in someone's shoes, you shouldn't judge.

SFShawn13 · 02-02-2009, 10:38 PM

This is a two way street. Post whatever you want, but if someone is offended - deal with it. People get offended either way. Don't expect to post POTENTIALLY offensive material and then whine and cry when someone doesn't like it.

Emphasis: two-way-street.

ncff07 · 02-02-2009, 10:42 PM

someone suggested in another thread, not sure where and im too lazy to look it up, that a private section be created called Psych Ward i believe it was for mental health topic discussions.

Mrs Bucket · 02-02-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

I agree. It's about personal responsiblity and I am one that does take personal responsiblity for the things that trigger me. If I find myself getting upset, I leave. Having said that, I also think and feel it's perfectly OK for us to say to someone "That triggered me." It's about empowerment. Unless you've been in our situations, you shouldn't judge. If you feel like you've walked on eggshells around people, use ignore. It's very simple. You can also use your PM and send a message, too.

Until you walk a mile in someone's shoes, you shouldn't judge.

I am not judging anyone at all. I have always believed personal responsibility was each person's own.

When I get upset, I leave too. Today I actually typed "STFU" when I normally keep my cool.

I prefer not to use ignore because how can we deal with reality if we use the ignore button. In reality, there's no ignore button.

I've yet to judge a person here in AD and why would I want to?

Honestly, it's tiring to go through this. Reba just said it all for me.

We feel we aren't able to meet anyone halfway at all if anyone accuses us of judging, or any other action.

Hear Again · 02-02-2009, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

IUntil you walk a mile in someone's shoes, you shouldn't judge.

SFShawn13 · 02-02-2009, 10:44 PM

I have nothing else to add, I hope everyone has a fantabulous evening!

Babyblue · 02-02-2009, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

I agree. It's about personal responsiblity and I am one that does take personal responsiblity for the things that trigger me. If I find myself getting upset, I leave. Having said that, I also think and feel it's perfectly OK for us to say to someone "That triggered me." It's about empowerment. Unless you've been in our situations, you shouldn't judge. If you feel like you've walked on eggshells around people, use ignore. It's very simple. You can also use your PM and send a message, too.

Until you walk a mile in someone's shoes, you shouldn't judge.

It is hard to ignore it when general threads are being thrown off topic by Mental health issues being dragged out.

So you are saying we should leave? Now who is being invasive?

We are not judging you all. We are simply saying tone it down in other threads and keep the mental health issues and discussions in the Health threads.

It does take the fun out of other peoples threads. It basically kills it!

Hear Again · 02-02-2009, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reba

It's true that people without mental illnesses might not understand all that's involved but that's even more reason not to expect us to word our posts in ways that won't trigger a rapid cycle or some other negative mental reaction. The posters without mental illnesses are not responsible for the mental health issues of other posters.

No one should mock or be harsh about mental illness but neither should posters be afraid to engage in debate lest someone be blamed for setting off another poster's mental upset.

i agree reba, but i don't expect people to word their posts so that i don't rapid cycle. all i'm saying is that they shouldn't expect that i won't rapid cycle because it is a part of my bipolar. it's my responsibility to do everything i can not to rapid cycle, but i can't avoid it entirely. other posters expecting me not to rapid cycle isn't being realistic about the reality of my disorder.

**Reba** · 02-02-2009, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

I agree. It's about personal responsiblity and I am one that does take personal responsiblity for the things that trigger me. If I find myself getting upset, I leave. Having said that, I also think and feel it's perfectly OK for us to say to someone "That triggered me." It's about empowerment. Unless you've been in our situations, you shouldn't judge. If you feel like you've walked on eggshells around people, use ignore. It's very simple. You can also use your PM and send a message, too.

Until you walk a mile in someone's shoes, you shouldn't judge.

I don't think Mrs. Bucket is judging. She's making a very practical point:

"It's odd when members ask us to watch how we word our posts so we don't trigger them when we should feel comfortable posting here."

We can't feel free to post if we have to fear our words will trigger someone's mental relapse. It's almost a form of posting extortion since it's a one-way street. We have to be careful not to upset others but they are free to slash away at us because they can't help it.

SFShawn13 · 02-02-2009, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babyblue

It is hard to ignore it when general threads are being thrown off topic by Mental health issues being dragged out.

So you are saying we should leave? Now who is being invasive?

We are not judging you all. We are simply saying tone it down in other threads and keep the mental health issues and discussions in the Health threads.

It does take the fun out of other peoples threads. It basically kills it!

I think the OP's post and Mrs. Bucket's post conveyed two very different ideas. I agree with the OP, but not Mrs. Bucket.

Okay, now I really am done. Time to study

Hear Again · 02-02-2009, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ncff07

someone suggested in another thread, not sure where and im too lazy to look it up, that a private section be created called Psych Ward i believe it was for mental health topic discussions.

i think this is an excellent idea.

**Reba** · 02-02-2009, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hear Again

i agree reba, but i don't expect people to word their posts so that i don't rapid cycle. all i'm saying is that they shouldn't expect that i won't rapid cycle because it is a part of my bipolar. it's my responsibility to do everything i can not to rapid cycle, but i can't avoid it entirely. other posters expecting me not to rapid cycle isn't being realistic about the reality of my disorder.

I don't think posters are expecting you to not rapid cycle but they do expect you not use the threat of rapid cycling as a way to temper their posts to you.

Mrs Bucket · 02-02-2009, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reba

I don't think Mrs. Bucket is judging. She's making a very practical point:

"It's odd when members ask us to watch how we word our posts so we don't trigger them when we should feel comfortable posting here."

We can't feel free to post if we have to fear our words will trigger someone's mental relapse. It's almost a form of posting extortion since it's a one-way street. We have to be careful not to upset others but they are free to slash away at us because they can't help it.

Thank you, it is draining to watch my posts when other posts consists of comprehension like "rapid cycle" "PTSD" "DMX" "trigger" "flashback" and/or "medicine".

Please respect the forum.

It's ridiculous to see how some members will stoop to such silly behaviour to try to prove a point all because they don't like how a member worded her/his sentence.

Hear Again · 02-02-2009, 10:55 PM

reba,

i take personal responsibility for my rapid cycling and only used it as an excuse once because i was extremely angry over what was said in a certain thread. i ended up apologizing to everyone (even though i never expected other ad'ers to accept my apology) and said that i completely overreacted. that taught me a valuable lesson about not hastily saying that i'm rapid cycling and therefore am allowed to be rude or inconsiderate towards other posters.

02-02-2009, 08:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jolie77 Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kentucky, USA (The Bluegrass State) Posts: 8,514 Blog Entries: 1	Non Health Related Off Topic Issues I wanted to lay out some few things in this thread. I've noticed that there are a lot of threads that are often hijacked with mental disorder issues. There are a lot of threads that are non-health related being hijacked with comments regarding of mental disorder discussions. This really need to be stopped because it loses the purpose of a certain thread when other members would like to be able to discuss a specific topic rather than letting the thread go astray with mental disroder issues or rather, letting it be overlapped by a conversation that leads to elsewhere. It's been given the repeatable cycle. It's like asking for a broken record to be played over and over again. This is not in a way to say that I'm insensitive or being mean about it. I'm not saying that you shouldn't be doing this or that. This is to only to make it clear that if any one of you want to discuss about a certain issue - It'd be better to create another thread or go to a correct thread that is health related to a mental disorder topic that you wish to discuss. Please at least give some respect to other threads and discuss about the original issue. At least, stick to to the original thread instead of discussing a whole different issue on a thread that is not even related to the original post. I think it would also be fair enough for other threads to have a breather and to discuss about this certain topic for what thread it has to offer. Also, I've noticed a thing after another - When a thread goes astray with mental disorder issues, I often see that there is almost NO respect at all for going off topic and it continues to be off topic. I'm not talking about one or two posts that goes off topic. It's fine to be off topic once in a while but when it is constantly off topic - that is where it needs to be changed. If you guys have any feedback or wish to discuss about this issue, Please do so and of course, with respect as well. __________________ Isaiah 33:6 - "He will be the sure foundation for your times, a rich store of salvation and wisdom and knowledge; the fear of the Lord is the key to this treasure."

02-02-2009, 08:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
shel90 Let It Snow!!!! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: A place where crabs are popular Posts: 40,290 Blog Entries: 3	Sorry for going offttopic..sometimes, I click on the "last" post of a thread without looking at the topic and respond to that post without thinking whether it was offtopic or not. Bad habit, I guess. __________________ "Wine improves with age. The older I get, the better I like it." --- Anonymous

02-02-2009, 10:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
SFShawn13 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 754	LOL @ Miss Bucket twisting words. __________________ Do not regret growing older. It is a privilege denied to many.

02-02-2009, 10:38 PM	#18 (permalink)
SFShawn13 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 754	This is a two way street. Post whatever you want, but if someone is offended - deal with it. People get offended either way. Don't expect to post POTENTIALLY offensive material and then whine and cry when someone doesn't like it. Emphasis: two-way-street. __________________ Do not regret growing older. It is a privilege denied to many.

02-02-2009, 10:44 PM	#22 (permalink)
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02-02-2009, 08:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
Babyblue Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 11,999	I agree. A lot of the threads are turning into a mental health issue. Some posters have said other posters are insensitive towards their illness and posts triggers their illness. We do not know what triggers what. A public forum may not be the best place to go if it triggers negative emotions and memories.

02-02-2009, 09:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
Babyblue Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 11,999	I'm also guilty of going off topic once in a while. I'm sure we all are.

02-02-2009, 10:14 PM	#11 (permalink)
Hear Again Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,122 Blog Entries: 6	i'm sorry, but i don't see anywhere any ad'er has specifically requested that someone else not post something because it is a trigger. if any of you can point me in the direction of a post and/or thread where this has happened, i would appreciate it. having said that, i admit my responsibility in talking about bipolar when it is off-topic and getting too wound up in some threads so that i rapid cycle. i'm trying to improve on my ability to leave threads that annoy or irritate me.

02-02-2009, 10:19 PM	#13 (permalink)
Hear Again Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,122 Blog Entries: 6	funny how someone without mental illness can tell the rest of us to take personal responsibility when they have NO idea what it's like to have mental illness.

02-02-2009, 10:23 PM	#14 (permalink)
Hear Again Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,122 Blog Entries: 6	i'd also like to say one more thing and this will be the last comment i make in this thread for now. i have problems with rapid cycling due to my bipolar and am doing the best i can to leave threads that irritate or anger me. having said that, rapid cycling is still something i can't help and will always be an issue for me despite my being on meds. the fact is, there are going to be times where i rapid cycle. there's nothing i can do to prevent that. at the same time, i will do everything i can to remove myself from those threads which have the potential to cause rapid cycling.

02-02-2009, 10:32 PM	#15 (permalink)
Hear Again Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,122 Blog Entries: 6	i also think those who admittedly feign suicidal ideations and psychosis ought to be permanently banned from ad.

02-02-2009, 10:35 PM	#16 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,130	It's true that people without mental illnesses might not understand all that's involved but that's even more reason not to expect us to word our posts in ways that won't trigger a rapid cycle or some other negative mental reaction. The posters without mental illnesses are not responsible for the mental health issues of other posters. No one should mock or be harsh about mental illness but neither should posters be afraid to engage in debate lest someone be blamed for setting off another poster's mental upset.

02-02-2009, 10:42 PM	#19 (permalink)
ncff07 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,586	someone suggested in another thread, not sure where and im too lazy to look it up, that a private section be created called Psych Ward i believe it was for mental health topic discussions.

02-02-2009, 10:55 PM	#30 (permalink)
Hear Again Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,122 Blog Entries: 6	reba, i take personal responsibility for my rapid cycling and only used it as an excuse once because i was extremely angry over what was said in a certain thread. i ended up apologizing to everyone (even though i never expected other ad'ers to accept my apology) and said that i completely overreacted. that taught me a valuable lesson about not hastily saying that i'm rapid cycling and therefore am allowed to be rude or inconsiderate towards other posters.

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