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Old 05-21-2008, 10:57 PM   #91 (permalink)
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Yeah, me, too. Unless there was a specific ceremony attached, where your friend was dressed in white dress and veil, and the boys in suits, then it wasn't her First Communion. First Communion is a big celebration in the Catholic Church.

Also, when Catholics take communion, they don't doit from their seats in the pews, they all approach the altar, and are delivered of the sacramental wine and unleavened bread directly by the priest, or in some occasions, by a deacon. The priest blesses the wine and the bread, and he receives communion first, and then the congregation receives communion.
That was what happened...they approached the altar and drank the "wine" from the vessel and had the bread immediately after that. I was included in the process but I never went to any of the classes. My friend just happened to invite me and I went just that one time. After that, I didnt like what was going on cuz I was very very confused (of course...no access to communication) and all freaked out so I told my mom that I never wanted to go again.

what went on...
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Old 05-21-2008, 10:58 PM   #92 (permalink)
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Who told you it was grape juice?

My hearing sister, her daughter is the one who had her first communion my dear, she wore a beautiful white grown with a veil on her head.

When I saw her, she looked like little bride to me ha ha.
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Old 05-21-2008, 11:06 PM   #93 (permalink)
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Maybe some churches or parishoniers substitue the wine with grape due to the alcohol factor? I am wonder maybe there are some churches that do that so they wont be held responsible for intoxicating children with alcohol so at their own will, subsitute wine for grape?

The reason I ask cuz I used to be a resident counselor for a group home under a Jewish organization so we had to follow the orthodox principles. Every Friday evening, the clients had to do...oh gosh, what is it called relating to prayer or.... ? With the bread and "wine" but instead of real wine (due to the medicines the residents were on ) we had to use grape juice.
The most common practice is to dip the communion wfer into the wine,a nd serve it that way for children. But even when the children are given the sacramental wine from the chalice, they are given an extremely small sip. It is not like they can get ahold of the chalice, and drink it themselves. The chalice is held by the priest or the deacon, and they are given a small sip. None of the parishoners hold the chalice themselves, nor dothey touch the communion wafer.

Celebrating the Sabbath.

In a residential facility such as this, it is possible thatthey would make adjsutments in their observation of the Sabbath, even when keeping Kosher due to the needs of the residents. But this was also a Sabbath observance in a residential home, and not in the Temple. Likewise, Jewish do not receive communion.

Catholic doctrine and practice is not set individually, but by the governing body of the Catholic Church.
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Old 05-21-2008, 11:08 PM   #94 (permalink)
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That was what happened...they approached the altar and drank the "wine" from the vessel and had the bread immediately after that. I was included in the process but I never went to any of the classes. My friend just happened to invite me and I went just that one time. After that, I didnt like what was going on cuz I was very very confused (of course...no access to communication) and all freaked out so I told my mom that I never wanted to go again.

what went on...
Yeah, you were just part of the congregational communion.
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My hearing sister, her daughter is the one who had her first communion my dear, she wore a beautiful white grown with a veil on her head.

When I saw her, she looked like little bride to me ha ha.
That is the intent. First Communion is symbolic of marrying to to the Church.
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Old 05-21-2008, 11:10 PM   #96 (permalink)
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Yeah, you were just part of the congregational communion.
How if I never took the classes? Or did I slip thru the "cracks" and somehow got my communion without realizing it? Oh, that would make my Catholic grandma happy cuz she used to berate my parents for not being committed to it.
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Old 05-21-2008, 11:11 PM   #97 (permalink)
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That is the intent. First Communion is symbolic of marrying to to the Church.
Really? Wow, I am learning a lot already! Not just from u but from others too...interesting...hmm.
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That was what happened...they approached the altar and drank the "wine" from the vessel and had the bread immediately after that. I was included in the process but I never went to any of the classes. My friend just happened to invite me and I went just that one time. After that, I didnt like what was going on cuz I was very very confused (of course...no access to communication) and all freaked out so I told my mom that I never wanted to go again.

what went on...
When I was 16 or so, my foster family invited me to go to their Catholic church with them one time, and I didn't know that, not being Catholic, that I wasn't supposed to take the holy communion, and I took it. I was chastised for that by some other Catholics. Oops.
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Old 05-21-2008, 11:16 PM   #99 (permalink)
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How if I never took the classes? Or did I slip thru the "cracks" and somehow got my communion without realizing it? Oh, that would make my Catholic grandma happy cuz she used to berate my parents for not being committed to it.
You just slipped through the cracks, lol! If you are a visitor in the church, the parish priest has no way of knowing whether you were confirmed or not. They just assume that if you are Catholic, and attending mass and taking the sacraments, that you have been confirmed. Now, if you are not a visitor, and try to take the sacraments before Confirmation, there will be some trouble!
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When I was 16 or so, my foster family invited me to go to their Catholic church with them one time, and I didn't know that, not being Catholic, that I wasn't supposed to take the holy communion, and I took it. I was chastised for that by some other Catholics. Oops.
U know what? I was too which was why I went home crying to my mom saying I didnt like it. I was confused.

Anyways, looking back, I have to laugh! It is funny now that I think about it. LOL!
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When I was 16 or so, my foster family invited me to go to their Catholic church with them one time, and I didn't know that, not being Catholic, that I wasn't supposed to take the holy communion, and I took it. I was chastised for that by some other Catholics. Oops.
It happens sometimes with visistors that aren't familiar with the Catholic doctrine. I don't think you are condemned to hell for it. Maybe just a year or two in purgatory!
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You just slipped through the cracks, lol! If you are a visitor in the church, the parish priest has no way of knowing whether you were confirmed or not. They just assume that if you are Catholic, and attending mass and taking the sacraments, that you have been confirmed. Now, if you are not a visitor, and try to take the sacraments before Confirmation, there will be some trouble!
Wow...after 25 or so years, I finally learned what really happened that day! Geez!
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It happens sometimes with visistors that aren't familiar with the Catholic doctrine. I don't think you are condemned to hell for it. Maybe just a year or two in purgatory!
That's good to know! LOL!
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Old 05-21-2008, 11:43 PM   #104 (permalink)
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Wow...after 25 or so years, I finally learned what really happened that day! Geez!
LOL! Glad we could clear up the mystery!
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Maybe your sister is a Catholic but you are not so you are not
that knowledgeable about the practices of the Catholic church.
Where did I say I had knowledge how Catholic churches runs? I had only shared what my niece had drank at her first communion. Please do not make any more assumptions, and do not jump to conclusions.
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Where did I say I had knowledge how Catholic churches runs? I had only shared what my niece had drank at her first communion. Please do not make any more assumptions, and do not jump to conclusions.
Catholic practices and doctrine are determined by the same governing body. When you make a statement regarding an individual parrish's practices, you are also making a statement about the teaching and practices of the Church as a whole.
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Catholic practices and doctrine are determined by the same governing body. When you make a statement regarding an individual parrish's practices, you are also making a statement about the teaching and practices of the Church as a whole.
That's how you see it, it's not how I say it. You need to get off of making assumptions because it makes you look like an ass.
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Old 05-22-2008, 12:33 AM   #109 (permalink)
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I know this thread is all about wine and how good it is for you? It has nothing to do with the religion. I am aware wine plays a big part in a religion setting but however, it is veering off it's course by having a debate regarding to Catholic communion with wine.

So, Please let's get back on the track and discuss how is wine good for you?

If any further posts are to be engaged into religion settings, it will be removed.

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Catholic practices and doctrine are determined by the same governing body. When you make a statement regarding an individual parrish's practices, you are also making a statement about the teaching and practices of the Church as a whole.

She was only speaking of our niece's first Communion then you jumped the gun claiming that our hearing sister wasn't Catholic all because her daughter drank the grape juice instead of wine.


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I love cooking with wine. Sometimes, I add it to the food.

Seriously, I find wine to be a wonderful source of flavor for gravy, marinade, and/or stew.
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Old 05-22-2008, 11:11 AM   #112 (permalink)
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I love cooking with wine. Sometimes, I add it to the food.

Seriously, I find wine to be a wonderful source of flavor for gravy, marinade, and/or stew.
Absolutely, and sauces as well. Works wonderfully as a tenderizer for meats.
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Old 05-22-2008, 07:52 PM   #114 (permalink)
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Have you guys tried those wine coolers?
they are pretty good but soo sweet and
fattening, hehe..
I love the "Fuzzy Navel" and "Mixed Berries"
flavors! Those are soo good!!
I havent drank those since last summer and that
was before i was diagnosed with pre-diabetes.
Now,my doctor says im ok now and i can have some
sweets only occassionaly so i will have that wine cooler
this summer....
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Old 06-04-2008, 02:39 AM   #115 (permalink)
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Red wine may protect heart from aging’s toll

Red wine may protect heart from aging’s toll

Study in mice finds natural compound blocks decline in cardiac function


WASHINGTON - A natural compound found in red wine may protect the heart against the effects of the aging process, researchers said on Tuesday.

In their study, mice were given a diet supplemented with the compound known as resveratrol starting at their equivalent of middle age until old age.

These mice experienced changes in their gene activity related to aging in a way very similar to mice that were placed on a so-called calorie restriction diet that slows the aging process by greatly cutting dietary energy intake.

Most striking was how the resveratrol, like calorie restriction, blocked the decline in heart function typically associated with aging, according to Tomas Prolla, a University of Wisconsin professor of genetics who helped lead the study.

Scientists seek fountain of youth
Much as Spaniard Juan Ponce de Leon once searched for the mythical fountain of youth, researchers now are seeking ways to extend the quality and length of human life.

In some studies, animals given a diet with greatly reduced caloric intake have lived longer than animals with normal diets. But perpetual hunger is a steep price to pay for greater longevity, some researchers say.

Resveratrol, found in abundance in grapes and in red wine, has drawn a lot of interest from scientists and some companies, including GlaxoSmithKline, which in April said it would pay $720 million to buy Sirtris Pharmaceuticals Inc, a company that is developing drugs that mimic the effects of resveratrol.

Some studies have shown that in high doses, resveratrol extended the life span of fruit flies and worms and prevented early death in mice fed a high-fat diet.

In this study, mice were given relatively low doses compared to the earlier research, and still experienced important aging-related benefits, the researchers said.

The researchers began giving the resveratrol diet to the mice when they were 14 months old — their middle age — and followed the animals until they were about 30 months old. The researchers then conducted tests on cardiac function and on gene activity related to aging.

“Resveratrol at low doses can retard some aspects of the aging process, including heart aging, and it may do so by mimicking some of the effects of caloric restriction, which is known to retard aging in several tissues and extend life span,” added Prolla, whose study was published in the scientific journal PLoS ONE.

Using a method that permits simultaneous analysis of thousands of genes at the same time, the researchers found a huge overlap in the genes whose activity were changed by resveratrol and caloric restriction.

They looked at the heart, brain and muscles, and said that the effect of resveratrol was strongest in the heart but did prevent some aging-related changes in the other tissues.

Just because mice had these benefits does not mean people also would, although Prolla said, “I think there’s a high likelihood that our findings are applicable to humans.”

He said he expected to see a lot of studies in the coming years on the effects of resveratrol supplementation in people.

Some funding for the study came from DSM Nutritional Products, a company based in Basel, Switzerland that produces a resveratrol product called Resvida.

Madison, Wisconsin-based LifeGen Technologies, a genomics company that Prolla helped found, took part in the research.

Red wine may protect heart from aging’s toll - Heart health - MSNBC.com


I'm not surprise about this because I know it for a long time that red wine is good for you only if you drink moderately.
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