Young mother to a deaf 2 year old - Page 3

**GrendelQ** · 05-25-2012, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

why are you feeling threatened by her honest.

I'm not. I was just returning the favor.

AlleyCat · 05-25-2012, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

No. She has not had speech therapy. But we may consider it, so I don't mean to imply that I'm against it.

Why are you considering it? What is going on that it may be needed?

**GrendelQ** · 05-25-2012, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KarissaMann05

That's pure bullshit.

This thread is nothing but to jab OP for not chose CI and to suggest ASL is a difficult route.

Yeah, don't bother to try double speak me. Sure, you don't say English is easy but you did suggest otherwise.

So, whatever.

Have you read my posts in this thread? Let me be really clear and simplify it for you even more than I already have so you don't think there's double speak:
1. ASL immersion: yes!
2. school for the deaf / deaf community: great!
3. CI is not an easier route than ASL

Think that's "pure bullshit"?

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

... my advice based on my family's approach: immediate ASL immersion for the whole family, a deaf school, integrating the child into the Deaf community, don't think getting a CI would be an easier route.

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

...we chose ASL as my daughter's primary language, immersed her in the deaf community and language and she has attended a school for the deaf where ASL is the primary language of instruction and interaction for the past 5 years and I'm telling you that a CI is not a fix and would not be easier than ASL

**GrendelQ** · 05-25-2012, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

Why are you considering it? What is going on that it may be needed?

I'm not currently considering it. But we haven't NOT done it on principle, just hasn't been necessary. What's your advice to the OP, do you also disagree with mine?

Frisky Feline · 05-25-2012, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

No. She has not had speech therapy. But we may consider it, so I don't mean to imply that I'm against it.

I understand. It s peaking MY curiousity. Does she speak a lot more than ASL.

AlleyCat · 05-25-2012, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

No. She has not had speech therapy. But we may consider it, so I don't mean to imply that I'm against it.

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

I'm not currently considering it. But we haven't NOT done it on principle, just hasn't been necessary. What's your advice to the OP, do you also disagree with mine?

I was only asking out of your "But we may consider it" so I wondered if something had changed that made you feel like you may have to consider it, that's all.

**GrendelQ** · 05-25-2012, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

I was only asking out of your "But we may consider it" so I wondered if something had changed that made you feel like you may have to consider it, that's all.

No, I just don't want to indicate that we are against it. If she has a need for it at some point in the future, we'll consider it then.

**GrendelQ** · 05-25-2012, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

I understand. It s peaking MY curiousity. Does she speak a lot more than ASL.

Depends on the person she's engaging with. At school, obviously the majority of the day is voices off and the majority of people she is interacting with are deaf, so she uses ASL more than English. At home we use English a bit more than ASL, unless her CIs are off, then only ASL. During extracurricular activities, her coaches and the other kids competing/practicing know no ASL, so she uses the language they use (English, Russian, French, Mandarin, whatever the situation).

**GrendelQ** · 05-25-2012, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

My friend is in 40s. He didnt say why or what happened about his CI that was not working that something doctor performed mistakely. He had it when he was 5.

Do you think it was a modern cochlear implant or some other device? I thought the FDA didn't allow for adults to be implanted until 1984 and didn't lower the age of implantation to include children until 1990 (with a handful of children that we think of as the pioneers, who are now in their early to mid 20s getting them earlier, in trials).

Frisky Feline · 05-25-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

Depends on the person she's engaging with. At school, obviously the majority of the day is voices off and the majority of people she is interacting with are deaf, so she uses ASL more than English. At home we use English a bit more than ASL, unless her CIs are off, then only ASL. During extracurricular activities, her coaches and the other kids competing/practicing know no ASL, so she uses the language they use (English, Russian, French, Mandarin, whatever the situation).

Oh i see why. How about, let's give a try for her to attend speech therapy and see if she likes it then continue with it.

**GrendelQ** · 05-25-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

Oh i see why. How about, let's give a try for her to attend speech therapy and see if she likes it then continue with it.

Why?

Cloggy · 05-25-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

I don't think I've ever heard anyone claim that learning English is easy before

Who said that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1spqX4sIDo"]The Chaos

This surely must be impossible to lipread..

Dearest creature in Creation,
Studying English pronunciation,
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse and worse.
It will keep you, Susy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy;
Tear in eye your dress you'll tear,
So shall I! Oh, hear my prayer,
Pray, console your loving poet,
Make my coat look new, dear, sew
it! Just compare heart, beard and heard,
Dies and diet, Lord and word,
Sword and sward, retain and Britain,
(Mind the latter, how it's written);
Made has not the sound of bade;
Say - said, pay - paid, laid, but plaid
............

Cloggy · 05-25-2012, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

..........
It's counter productive for you to imply that deaf people are lying.

It's counter-productive to dump assumptions showing you have no clue about the subject..

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Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

why are you feeling threatened by her honest.

"Threatened"..

Her opinion might be honest... Wish there were some facts, instead of only assumptions...

Frisky Feline · 05-25-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

Do you think it was a modern cochlear implant or some prototype? I thought the FDA didn't allow for adults to be implanted until 1984 and didn't lower the age of implantation to include children until 1990 (with a handful of children that we think of as the pioneers, who are now in their early to mid 20s now getting them earlier, in trials).

I recall that he was in the trial period. he said, that they dont have to pay for it and let the doctors took care of the bills. The bottom line is that he is ok. He is an ASL user. He had a good job that pays over 70k a year until a few years ago He had to quit due to his usher syndrome gets worse. He had to quit so he wanted to remember his two kids and spend his time with them before he may become blind or legally blind.

CSign · 05-25-2012, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

Oh i see why. How about, let's give a try for her to attend speech therapy and see if she likes it then continue with it.

My son attended speech therapy for many years and enjoyed it. A good speech therapist makes all the difference in the world.

Sarfarigirl2011 · 05-25-2012, 04:48 PM

welcome to Alldeaf, there's other moms out there

Frisky Feline · 05-25-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

Why?

I agree with you when you were considering about giving her some speech therapy. if you think she needs it then thats cool.

Frisky Feline · 05-25-2012, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CSign

My son attended speech therapy for many years and enjoyed it. A good speech therapist makes all the difference in the world.

thats great for him.

Frisky Feline · 05-25-2012, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloggy

It's counter-productive to dump assumptions showing you have no clue about the subject..

"Threatened"..

Her opinion might be honest... Wish there were some facts, instead of only assumptions...

ok.

CSign · 05-25-2012, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

thats great for him.

It was

**GrendelQ** · 05-25-2012, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

I agree with you when you were considering about giving her some speech therapy. if you think she needs it then thats cool.

I'm not currently considering it, there's not a need right now, but some day we may. I'm not opposed to it.

I often read stories of people feeling ashamed of the way they speak or ashamed of how they are perceived by others when they speak with deaf accents. If I get the sense that some day my daughter is grappling with these feelings and wants to do speech therapy, we'll support her. For now, the therapy is all geared around developing ASL. And she's not objecting at this point.

Frisky Feline · 05-25-2012, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

I'm not currently considering it, there's not a need right now, but some day we may. I'm not opposed to it.

I often read stories of people feeling ashamed of the way they speak or ashamed of how they are perceived by others when they speak with deaf accents. If I get the sense that some day my daughter is grappling with these feelings and wants to do speech therapy, we'll support her. For now, the therapy is all geared around developing ASL. And she's not objecting at this point.

whatever you think is the best thing to do for your kid.

deafdyke · 05-25-2012, 08:09 PM

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So.. It's perfectly OK to say "she might not be happy getting a CI" and insult the mother that she doesn't know her child because she's not deaf,

but me saying "...might not be happy being deaf" goes straight to the subject of raising dhh children.. including "WHAT THE F*&K?!?!?!"....
btw.. What is "THAT" referring to ???

How on earth are you girls thinking....

She might not. I know its hard for you to believe but there ARE people who dislike the CI, or who aren't into sound. It's like being a female vs. male. You don't miss having a female part b/c you were born male. Or it's like FINALLY accepting that you are GLB and you don't miss hetronormative stuff, b/c YOU"RE GAY!
Besides the speech perception of dhh kids is NOT like a hearing person's. That is what you don't understand. It gives some partial access, but not complete and unfettered access. It's like assuming that just b/c a Hispanic Spanish speaker can speak English pretty well, they have complete and unfettered access to the English speaking world!

deafdyke · 05-25-2012, 08:11 PM

and BTW, I'm 32. Last I checked that was a woman, NOT a girl. That's another blatent example of your own built in bias, that you see me as a girl, rather then a WOMAN!

deafdyke · 05-25-2012, 10:02 PM

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Image I'd be much better if I had good speech and CI but now making do with HAs

How doyou know? Just b/c a kid has intelligble speech it doesn't mean that they automaticly have better opertunties...even with the world's best speech you still have to deal with dumbassed middle class managers thinking you're mentally handicapped b/c of your deaf speech.

CSign · 05-25-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by deafdyke

How doyou know? Just b/c a kid has intelligble speech it doesn't mean that they automaticly have better opertunties...even with the world's best speech you still have to deal with dumbassed middle class managers thinking you're mentally handicapped b/c of your deaf speech.

When you quote people, will you please quote them properly so it's clear who said what? It can get confusing at times figuring out who you're quoting.

CSign · 05-25-2012, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by deafdyke

Besides the speech perception of dhh kids is NOT like a hearing person's. That is what you don't understand. It gives some partial access, but not complete and unfettered access. It's like assuming that just b/c a Hispanic Spanish speaker can speak English pretty well, they have complete and unfettered access to the English speaking world!

I think Cloggy does understand...

In fact, I believe both Cloggy and and others have addressed the fact that even hearing people don't have "complete and unfettered access". You seem to bring that point up a lot, and I think about 97% of us on this forum "get it".

Cloggy · 05-26-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by deafdyke

She might not. I know its hard for you to believe but there ARE people who dislike the CI, or who aren't into sound. It's like being a female vs. male. You don't miss having a female part b/c you were born male. Or it's like FINALLY accepting that you are GLB and you don't miss hetronormative stuff, b/c YOU"RE GAY!
Besides the speech perception of dhh kids is NOT like a hearing person's. That is what you don't understand. It gives some partial access, but not complete and unfettered access. It's like assuming that just b/c a Hispanic Spanish speaker can speak English pretty well, they have complete and unfettered access to the English speaking world!

Listen girls...
I have no problem with people against CI.. I get it.. You don't want one... She doesn't want one.. Excellent....

But someone who want's nothing to do with it, has no knowledge about them, and then pretends to know how a deaf child feels with CI...
That's just ridiculous...

And have you figured out what "THAT" referred to?

Cloggy · 05-26-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by deafdyke

and BTW, I'm 32. Last I checked that was a woman, NOT a girl. That's another blatent example of your own built in bias, that you see me as a girl, rather then a WOMAN!

Sorry girl...

Cloggy · 05-26-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by deafdyke

How doyou know? Just b/c a kid has intelligble speech it doesn't mean that they automaticly have better opertunties...even with the world's best speech you still have to deal with dumbassed middle class managers thinking you're mentally handicapped b/c of your deaf speech.

How do you know..??

You should read Robert Frosts's poem

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The Road Not Taken

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim
Because it was grassy and wanted wear,
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,

And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I marked the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way
I doubted if I should ever come back.

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I,
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

Robert Frost

HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU KNOW BETTER..???

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deafdyke Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Trebekistan Posts: 13,099	and BTW, I'm 32. Last I checked that was a woman, NOT a girl. That's another blatent example of your own built in bias, that you see me as a girl, rather then a WOMAN! KarissaMann05 likes this.

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