Steinhauer

Here is a video a (former) member posted to make an emotional appeal showing CI's in a less than favorable light:


Has anyone shown the follow up videos ?



No crying .... wow. The child is actually smiling and laughing .... incredible.


As volatile as this subject of CI's may be within the deaf community, wouldn't it be even a little bit responsible to show the follow up videos rather than making emotional appeals?

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Jiro

wasn't this already wrapped up? we already knew about the later video.

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Steinhauer

I re-read the entire thread, the later video was never posted.

I also met a boy with bi-lateral CI's last week that looks exactly like the boy in this video - only a little older. Probably not the same person, but I was taken off guard when I met him. He spoke Spanish and English as well as knew ASL.

I was taken a bit back when I saw that.

edited to add: This subject has always personally interested me for several reasons that I do not believe I have ever shared. One of my best friends had his CI removed. He refuses to talk about his decision (he had a CI in adulthood). My father is a candidate for a CI but is not interested in getting one - his brother, just had bi lateral CI's and loves them.

I am clinically deaf when I am not wearing my HA's - when they break, or when I am just not wearing them, I have an almost completely different personality. I think differently and react differently (but no, I don't really have a different personality, I just "act" differently). I am more introverted for obvious reasons and feel more isolated. When I have my HA's on, I am more alert to my surroundings and I am more extroverted. I do not avoid "hearing" people with HA's in, with HA's off, I do.

Jiro

it was probably posted in other thread cuz I remember watching it here.

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bbaseballboy123

was post before so why post again? It gets out of hand.

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AlleyCat

As the other posters below you have said: BOTH were already posted before. We've all seen both videos (including you, I suspect.) Sorry your attempt at smearing "(former) members in a less than favorable light" didn't work so well for you. Thanks for reiterating my feelings about this forum. You must be that bored.

TXgolfer

Gotta wonder why the first video is only 23 seconds. But that is the problem with stuff like this, some people are so intolerant of other people's beliefs that they have to twist the truth for dramatic effect and scare tactics.

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Grayma

I hadn't seen either one before, so I appreciate getting the chance to see them, regardless of whatever background there is behind them being posted here that I don't know about.

Regarding propaganda, I do have to say that in all fairness, videos of seemingly happy people 'hearing' for the first time are always posted all over the internet, and I understand the desire to show that the first experience after CI is not always what we've seen. Both probably fall under the label of propaganda.

Jiro

time is better spent on bigger picture than quibbling around about length of video.

what was this boy supposed to do? whine everyday to this date? he had to make do and kids adapt. we can simply wait until he's teenager and I guarantee you that he will be sharing same frustration as majority of us.

you see a child who lost a leg from mine explosion and 5 years later, he's laughing and smiling and playing with other children... hobbling around but what isn't shown in "happy cheery video" is his frustration and limitation he has to deal with as a one-legged person since he lost his leg.

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rockin'robin

Even a hearing infant/child will cry if some sounds are very loud or hurts their ears. Even some adults, loud signs/sirens, etc., hurts their ears......

After a certain amount of time, they adjust to the sounds. I've known many mothers who have said...."Shhhh, quiet down!...The baby is asleep"....and not to make any loud noises....then there are other Mothers that know even when their is a loud noise, the infant may wake up and cry...but will go back to sleep.

Infants adjust to sounds.

TXgolfer

I hope not. I am a glass is half full type of person. I hope it works out for this child

No one is perfect, everyone has limitations they have to deal with. Some people can deal with those and be happy and sadly, some cannot

The difference in the videos (to me) has nothing to do with happiness. IMO they shows that the child has adjusted and is no longer experiencing pain....that's all

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Steinhauer

My parents made me wear my HA's all the time. I didn't want to because the ear moulds had caused blisters in my ear canal and it was very painful to put them on. I was having trouble explaining to them why they were painful, but after they figured it out, they didn't make me wear them until the blisters had healed.

Jiro

yes physically - he had adjusted just like everybody else including most of us but as I said - what isn't shown in "happy cheery video" is the frustration and limitation that we had to deal with as people with disability.

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TXgolfer

Maybe there is none for this child. We all experience things differently.

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Jiro

I usually detest that kind of comment and mindset because it's like "*shrug* yea well everybody's just different". I see it as laziness and ignorance.

that's ok. i know you try your best but this is something you'll never understand. that's not your fault but it might behoove you to at least be more open-minded to our perspective and concern.

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TXgolfer

Perhaps you don't understand what "open minded" means. I am extremely open minded to all perspectives. He certain may be frustrated in the future and not only that the frustration might vary in degrees. Then again he may handle it differently and not experience this frustration. I am aware that there are MANY potential outcomes and I am hoping things work out for the best for the child. That is "open minded"

This however...

is a "closed minded" statement that leaves only one possibility. Which is PERFECTLY ok, if that is your opinion. I will not attempt to tell you how or what to think. You are welcome to your opinion of this child's future and I respect that. I on ther hand do not wish to predict the child's future. I merely wish him the best.

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rockin'robin

I hope for the best for this child, or any child who has a CI for that matter also. With the support of his parents and a good attitude, most all people will say "He's gonna be alright!"....That's what most parents say about their children, deaf or hearing or any disability.

I do know that when I became deaf, it was very hard to deal with. CI's were not available then. Will & determination is imperative for everybody, even those who are hearing to make it in Life. Sure, we Deafies may have to struggle harder with a lot of things. Then again, no one is perfect.....let us learn, let us strive!....give us pride, in our right to better ourselves.

Jiro

Why's that? Did I force my belief into someone? What is it exactly that what we're doing is close-minded? our stance isn't "ASL POWER! ASL POWER! DEAF PRIDE!" That's just plain dang silly and I don't think we've said that. that's not what we want for this child.

oh? so if you are open-minded to all perspectives, then why are you continuing to dismiss our perspectives?

I fail to understand what you're saying. Majority of us including people like this child do share same frustrations.

Now you see what you're doing now? You're being quite close-minded about this issue which has been a problem for decades.

you dismissed our concerns and there's really nothing useful you have offered in your posts. it showed no concern either. it's basically saying "not my problem! but i wish you the best..."

like I said - you clearly do not understand this issue and I don't expect you to and it's not your fault but we do know because we are it and we are concerned about it. we do wish him the best too but we are proactive about it so that he won't go thru like us. it's sad that certain people took it as "militant". I truly feel sorry for them and I hope they resolve their angst.

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TXgolfer

Jiro, I was quite clear that I respect and am open to all of the opinions expressed. Including yours. I also expressed that it is certainly possible that the child may have frustrations in the future. I am not sure what your objection would be. I feel you are trying to stir up trouble so I will ignore your posts from here on out for the benefit of AD.

In case this is not clear enough for you let me say I respect all Deaf persons and I sympathize with the difficulties they have experienced. I hope for a positive outcome and happy life for everyone.

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Foxrac

In bold, yup, it will be me as good example.

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Jiro

so you're being open-minded?

does that sound like open mindedness?

**You do not have to answer these questions. It's not needed**

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TXgolfer

Jiro, the answer to your question is yes. Part of being open minded is being able to weed out the propaganda from those who are not open minded. That goes both ways. You'll note that I liked Grayma's post saying the same thing.

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Jiro

how come you didn't like my Post #9? I thought it brought up a good point.

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KarissaMann05

This thread is the reason why I don't share many experiences of mine very much because I know you guys will just dismiss and ridicule... So, meh.

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TXgolfer

I won't!

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Steinhauer

It has been a recurring experience for me to watch Deaf friends discuss wanting a CI -----but get this ---- AWAY from mainstream Deaf culture.

I think it goes without any explanation as to why that happens. They feel as though their opinions will immediately ostracize them. I have seen it happen first hand on numerous occasions.

Also, someone who is willing to listen to a Deaf individual who WANTS a CI is also ostracized and flamed. This is not a small minor part of the Deaf community .. it is rampant and cancerous.

That is not being open minded in my opinion. Respect goes both ways ya know ... if you want someone to listen to how you feel, you have to listen to how they feel too.

TXgolfer

Bingo

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KarissaMann05

Seriously?? Do you realize most Deaf people are fine with people with CIs? We only have a problem if they try to force me to have CIs (or even HAs). You said like the larger, larger majority of the Deaf have that issue with people with CIs. Bullshit. If you think the Deaf majority is insane and closed-minded bastards, you're so damn wrong. What you said is no difference that someone tried to push me to get one, anyway. At mall, the parent tried to silence me because he didn't want his child to see me signing. I was sometimes harassed because my signing bothered people in bus.

Not just me, it's common among Deaf people while Deaf extremists are just small number. But, I'll let you whatever you want to see Deaf Community fit in what you want to see. So, whatever.

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Grayma

That's frustrating. I would love to see more people signing in public.