Question about CI - Page 5

posts from hell · 09-20-2011, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrendelQ

Yes - So? Does the dictionary definition you are pointing to for "connection" say it matters if the object is under the skin or over?

Are you scared to admit it's connected?

**Jiro** · 09-20-2011, 01:29 PM

How Nucleus 5 Works | Cochlear

Quote:

4. The electrical signals from the electrodes stimulate the hearing nerve, bypassing the damaged cells that cause hearing loss, allowing the brain to perceive sound.

What is a Cochlear Implant?

Quote:

A cochlear implant is an implanted electronic hearing device, designed to produce useful hearing sensations to a person with severe to profound nerve deafness by electrically stimulating nerves inside the inner ear.

Cochlear Implants

Quote:

Cochlear implants bypass damaged portions of the ear and directly stimulate the auditory nerve.

btw Grendel - in case you're unfamiliar with how cellphone works... your cellphone actually receives electrical signal and it converts signal into sound wave and your "fully-functional" ear captures it.

So if you're going to use cellphone example..... HA would be an appropriate comparison, not CI.

posts from hell · 09-20-2011, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiro

How Nucleus 5 Works | Cochlear

What is a Cochlear Implant?

Cochlear Implants

btw Grendel - in case you're unfamiliar with how cellphone works... your cellphone actually receives electrical signal and it converts signal into sound wave and your "fully-functional" ear captures it.

So if you're going to use cellphone example..... HA would be an appropriate comparison, not CI.

Nicely done.

**Jiro** · 09-20-2011, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrendelQ

Yes - So? Does the dictionary definition you are pointing to for "connection" say it matters if the object is under the skin or over?

so by your logic... a simple wooden leg and advanced prosthetic leg with electrodes are exactly same thing?

faire_jour · 09-20-2011, 01:38 PM

Wirelessly posted

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiro

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrendelQ

Yes - So? Does the dictionary definition you are pointing to for "connection" say it matters if the object is under the skin or over?

so by your logic... a simple wooden leg and advanced prosthetic leg with electrodes are exactly same thing?

either way, neither are connected to your brain!

**Jiro** · 09-20-2011, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faire_jour

either way, neither are connected to your brain!

so how are ears/eyes connected to brain? by nerves, correct?

I think it's time you stop being silly and acting like we're saying CI is directly connected to brain with wires. You know very well that anything that connects to nerves is connected to brain. That itself is a truly remarkable feat in medical technology.

faire_jour · 09-20-2011, 01:40 PM

Wirelessly posted

you guys know full well that the electrode is inside the ear and in no way touches or is attached to, or is connected to the brain. Your ear is your ear.

posts from hell · 09-20-2011, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faire_jour

Wirelessly posted

you guys know full well that the electrode is inside the ear and in no way touches or is attached to, or is connected to the brain. Your ear is your ear.

If the CI is not indirectly connected to the brain and you can hear... I await the arrival of a non-invasive pocket CI...

**GrendelQ** · 09-20-2011, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiro

so by your logic... a simple wooden leg and advanced prosthetic leg with electrodes are exactly same thing?

No, not at all, one is transmitting signals that reach the brain, the other isn't. Cell phone, CI, pacemaker, etc. transmit signals.

posts from hell · 09-20-2011, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrendelQ

No, not at all, one is transmitting signals that reach the brain, the other isn't. Cell phone, CI, pacemaker, etc. transmit signals.

Your game's getting weaker here........ Jiro hit it right on. Can't even compare Cell phone and CI.

**Beowulf** · 09-20-2011, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faire_jour

Wirelessly posted

you guys know full well that the electrode is inside the ear and in no way touches or is attached to, or is connected to the brain. Your ear is your ear.

Would you consider having electrodes in your head to see what it is like?

**GrendelQ** · 09-20-2011, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by posts from hell

If the CI is not indirectly connected to the brain and you can hear... I await the arrival of a non-invasive pocket CI...

Me too: right now the electrode has to be VERY close to the nerve fibers for the signal to transmit. Maybe someday it can be further and further away. As far as a pocket.

**Jiro** · 09-20-2011, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrendelQ

No, not at all, one is transmitting signals that reach the brain, the other isn't. Cell phone, CI, pacemaker, etc. transmit signals.

yech.... Not gonna bother with this because I'm not going to do it like Mayweather's cheapshot on Ortiz.

**Jiro** · 09-20-2011, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrendelQ

Me too: right now the electrode has to be VERY close to the nerve fibers for the signal to transmit. Maybe someday it can be further and further away. As far as a pocket.

why? you don't want CI for yourself in case you went deaf?

**Jiro** · 09-20-2011, 02:01 PM

*prolonged silence*

*checking if my HA batteries are dead*

faire_jour · 09-20-2011, 02:24 PM

Wirelessly posted

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beowulf

Quote:

Originally Posted by faire_jour

Wirelessly posted

you guys know full well that the electrode is inside the ear and in no way touches or is attached to, or is connected to the brain. Your ear is your ear.

Would you consider having electrodes in your head to see what it is like?

absolutely. If they were doing a study where they implanted CIs in people with normal hearing, i would be first in line.

**Jiro** · 09-20-2011, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faire_jour

absolutely. If they were doing a study where they implanted CIs in people with normal hearing, i would be first in line.

of course.... you'd say that because you know it would never happen

cute but try to be less fake this time.

AlleyCat · 09-20-2011, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faire_jour

Wirelessly posted

absolutely. If they were doing a study where they implanted CIs in people with normal hearing, i would be first in line.

No you wouldn't.

Even if I had perfect hearing I would not have been first in line myself.

**Daredevel7** · 09-20-2011, 03:12 PM

FRISKY FELINE!!!

Look what you done did!

Frisky Feline · 09-20-2011, 03:24 PM

faire_jour · 09-20-2011, 04:14 PM

Wirelessly posted

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiro

Quote:

Originally Posted by faire_jour

absolutely. If they were doing a study where they implanted CIs in people with normal hearing, i would be first in line.

of course.... you'd say that because you know it would never happen

cute but try to be less fake this time.

not being fake at all. If i could, i would. It wouldn't replicate what my child hears, since i have always been hearing, but it would give me at least a portion of understanding what it is like for her. Why would i not?

Cloggy · 09-20-2011, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiro

How Nucleus 5 Works | Cochlear

What is a Cochlear Implant?

Cochlear Implants

btw Grendel - in case you're unfamiliar with how cellphone works... your cellphone actually receives electrical signal and it converts signal into sound wave and your "fully-functional" ear captures it.

So if you're going to use cellphone example..... HA would be an appropriate comparison, not CI.

And surprise!! Nothing about being attached to the brain!
Well - Surprise to some...

jillio · 09-20-2011, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faire_jour

Wirelessly posted

connected? No way. The electrode is completely inside the cochlea. The cochlea is not part of the brain. Anyone who says otherwise, and knows better, is being disingenious.

Sorry, FJ. You are as misinformed regarding the neurology as you have ever been.

**Jiro** · 09-20-2011, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faire_jour

not being fake at all. If i could, i would. It wouldn't replicate what my child hears, since i have always been hearing, but it would give me at least a portion of understanding what it is like for her. Why would i not?

a portion of understanding? so you mean during the whole time... you don't really understand your daughter at all? What about our life experience? We've told many stories and your daughter will be going thru same thing.

you do realize that it's irreversible process. It's against medical ethic to destroy a "healthy" organ.

**Jiro** · 09-20-2011, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloggy

And surprise!! Nothing about being attached to the brain!
Well - Surprise to some...

attached?

Let me ask you this - are you thinking that we're saying CI is directly connected to brain? surgically implanted into brain or something?

jillio · 09-20-2011, 04:44 PM

For all of those that do not understand the distinction between "attached to" and "connected to", let's do a little experiment.

Everyone look at the first finger on your left hand. It moves free and isn't attached to anything other than the rest of your hand. Right? That finger certainly isn't attached to your brain in any way, is it? Of course not. You would know it if your finger was attached to your brain, right?

Lay that finger down on a hard surface. Chop the end of your finger off with a meat cleaver. Hurt, didn't it? You know why? Because the nerves in that finger are connected to the brain. Those traumatized nerves sent a neutral stimulus to the proper area of the brain, the brain interpreted that stimulus into pain based on former experience with the same type of stimulus, sent the message out that pain had been felt, and that messaged geared the peripheral nervous system into action.

When you connect anything to a nerve leading directly into the brain and without which there would be no pathway to conduct stimuli, you have connected that device that becomes part of the pathway, to the brain. Without it, there is no pathway.

So, let's try this once again, using the words in the proper context. The CI is attached to nerves leading to the brain. Therefore, it is connected to the brain.

Now, if the hearing people will simply use the words "attached" and "connected to" in the proper context, and read them that way as well, there will be no more disagreement about things that one doesn't even understand what they are disagreeing with.

Cloggy · 09-20-2011, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiro

attached?

Let me ask you this - are you thinking that we're saying CI is directly connected to brain? surgically implanted into brain or something?

You have been saying it for the last 3 pages...
Wiggling again? Or trolling?... AH.. Both

jillio · 09-20-2011, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiro

How Nucleus 5 Works | Cochlear

What is a Cochlear Implant?

Cochlear Implants

btw Grendel - in case you're unfamiliar with how cellphone works... your cellphone actually receives electrical signal and it converts signal into sound wave and your "fully-functional" ear captures it.

So if you're going to use cellphone example..... HA would be an appropriate comparison, not CI.

Finally. Someone gets it. Strange that it is a deafie! Aren't hearies supposed too have better use of language?

CSign · 09-20-2011, 04:52 PM

Wow.

**Jiro** · 09-20-2011, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloggy

You have been saying it for the last 3 pages...
Wiggling again? Or trolling?... AH.. Both

ah so you have resorted to this.... how unsightly.

09-20-2011, 01:40 PM	#127 (permalink)
faire_jour Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 7,199	Wirelessly posted you guys know full well that the electrode is inside the ear and in no way touches or is attached to, or is connected to the brain. Your ear is your ear. Last edited by faire_jour; 09-20-2011 at 01:58 PM.

09-20-2011, 02:01 PM	#135 (permalink)
Jiro Aparecium Deletrius Legil Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The Soprano State Posts: 61,218	prolonged silence checking if my HA batteries are dead __________________ - Don't forget to buy Jiro's Special Edition Sunglasses for $19.95

09-20-2011, 03:24 PM	#140 (permalink)
Frisky Feline Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 20,542	Daredevel7 likes this.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

Today
Deafness	Sponsored Links __________________ This advertising will not be shown in this way to registered members. Register your free account today and become a member on AllDeaf.com

09-20-2011, 03:12 PM	#139 (permalink)
Daredevel7 Adrenaline Junky Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 4,341	FRISKY FELINE!!! Look what you done did!

09-20-2011, 04:44 PM	#146 (permalink)
jillio Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 60,296	For all of those that do not understand the distinction between "attached to" and "connected to", let's do a little experiment. Everyone look at the first finger on your left hand. It moves free and isn't attached to anything other than the rest of your hand. Right? That finger certainly isn't attached to your brain in any way, is it? Of course not. You would know it if your finger was attached to your brain, right? Lay that finger down on a hard surface. Chop the end of your finger off with a meat cleaver. Hurt, didn't it? You know why? Because the nerves in that finger are connected to the brain. Those traumatized nerves sent a neutral stimulus to the proper area of the brain, the brain interpreted that stimulus into pain based on former experience with the same type of stimulus, sent the message out that pain had been felt, and that messaged geared the peripheral nervous system into action. When you connect anything to a nerve leading directly into the brain and without which there would be no pathway to conduct stimuli, you have connected that device that becomes part of the pathway, to the brain. Without it, there is no pathway. So, let's try this once again, using the words in the proper context. The CI is attached to nerves leading to the brain. Therefore, it is connected to the brain. Now, if the hearing people will simply use the words "attached" and "connected to" in the proper context, and read them that way as well, there will be no more disagreement about things that one doesn't even understand what they are disagreeing with.

09-20-2011, 04:52 PM	#149 (permalink)
CSign Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Best Coast, USA Posts: 3,216	Wow.