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Unread 09-20-2011, 01:29 PM   #121 (permalink)
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Yes - So? Does the dictionary definition you are pointing to for "connection" say it matters if the object is under the skin or over?
Are you scared to admit it's connected?
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Unread 09-20-2011, 01:29 PM   #122 (permalink)
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4. The electrical signals from the electrodes stimulate the hearing nerve, bypassing the damaged cells that cause hearing loss, allowing the brain to perceive sound.
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btw Grendel - in case you're unfamiliar with how cellphone works... your cellphone actually receives electrical signal and it converts signal into sound wave and your "fully-functional" ear captures it.

So if you're going to use cellphone example..... HA would be an appropriate comparison, not CI.
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btw Grendel - in case you're unfamiliar with how cellphone works... your cellphone actually receives electrical signal and it converts signal into sound wave and your "fully-functional" ear captures it.

So if you're going to use cellphone example..... HA would be an appropriate comparison, not CI.
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Unread 09-20-2011, 01:33 PM   #124 (permalink)
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Yes - So? Does the dictionary definition you are pointing to for "connection" say it matters if the object is under the skin or over?
so by your logic... a simple wooden leg and advanced prosthetic leg with electrodes are exactly same thing?
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Yes - So? Does the dictionary definition you are pointing to for "connection" say it matters if the object is under the skin or over?
so by your logic... a simple wooden leg and advanced prosthetic leg with electrodes are exactly same thing?
either way, neither are connected to your brain!
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either way, neither are connected to your brain!
so how are ears/eyes connected to brain? by nerves, correct?

I think it's time you stop being silly and acting like we're saying CI is directly connected to brain with wires. You know very well that anything that connects to nerves is connected to brain. That itself is a truly remarkable feat in medical technology.
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you guys know full well that the electrode is inside the ear and in no way touches or is attached to, or is connected to the brain. Your ear is your ear.
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you guys know full well that the electrode is inside the ear and in no way touches or is attached to, or is connected to the brain. Your ear is your ear.
If the CI is not indirectly connected to the brain and you can hear... I await the arrival of a non-invasive pocket CI...
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so by your logic... a simple wooden leg and advanced prosthetic leg with electrodes are exactly same thing?
No, not at all, one is transmitting signals that reach the brain, the other isn't. Cell phone, CI, pacemaker, etc. transmit signals.
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No, not at all, one is transmitting signals that reach the brain, the other isn't. Cell phone, CI, pacemaker, etc. transmit signals.
Your game's getting weaker here........ Jiro hit it right on. Can't even compare Cell phone and CI.
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you guys know full well that the electrode is inside the ear and in no way touches or is attached to, or is connected to the brain. Your ear is your ear.
Would you consider having electrodes in your head to see what it is like?
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If the CI is not indirectly connected to the brain and you can hear... I await the arrival of a non-invasive pocket CI...
Me too: right now the electrode has to be VERY close to the nerve fibers for the signal to transmit. Maybe someday it can be further and further away. As far as a pocket.
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No, not at all, one is transmitting signals that reach the brain, the other isn't. Cell phone, CI, pacemaker, etc. transmit signals.
yech.... Not gonna bother with this because I'm not going to do it like Mayweather's cheapshot on Ortiz.
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Me too: right now the electrode has to be VERY close to the nerve fibers for the signal to transmit. Maybe someday it can be further and further away. As far as a pocket.
why? you don't want CI for yourself in case you went deaf?
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you guys know full well that the electrode is inside the ear and in no way touches or is attached to, or is connected to the brain. Your ear is your ear.
Would you consider having electrodes in your head to see what it is like?
absolutely. If they were doing a study where they implanted CIs in people with normal hearing, i would be first in line.
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absolutely. If they were doing a study where they implanted CIs in people with normal hearing, i would be first in line.
of course.... you'd say that because you know it would never happen

cute but try to be less fake this time.
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absolutely. If they were doing a study where they implanted CIs in people with normal hearing, i would be first in line.
No you wouldn't.

Even if I had perfect hearing I would not have been first in line myself.
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absolutely. If they were doing a study where they implanted CIs in people with normal hearing, i would be first in line.
of course.... you'd say that because you know it would never happen

cute but try to be less fake this time.
not being fake at all. If i could, i would. It wouldn't replicate what my child hears, since i have always been hearing, but it would give me at least a portion of understanding what it is like for her. Why would i not?
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btw Grendel - in case you're unfamiliar with how cellphone works... your cellphone actually receives electrical signal and it converts signal into sound wave and your "fully-functional" ear captures it.

So if you're going to use cellphone example..... HA would be an appropriate comparison, not CI.
And surprise!! Nothing about being attached to the brain!
Well - Surprise to some...
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connected? No way. The electrode is completely inside the cochlea. The cochlea is not part of the brain. Anyone who says otherwise, and knows better, is being disingenious.
Sorry, FJ. You are as misinformed regarding the neurology as you have ever been.
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not being fake at all. If i could, i would. It wouldn't replicate what my child hears, since i have always been hearing, but it would give me at least a portion of understanding what it is like for her. Why would i not?
a portion of understanding? so you mean during the whole time... you don't really understand your daughter at all? What about our life experience? We've told many stories and your daughter will be going thru same thing.

you do realize that it's irreversible process. It's against medical ethic to destroy a "healthy" organ.
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And surprise!! Nothing about being attached to the brain!
Well - Surprise to some...
attached?

Let me ask you this - are you thinking that we're saying CI is directly connected to brain? surgically implanted into brain or something?
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For all of those that do not understand the distinction between "attached to" and "connected to", let's do a little experiment.

Everyone look at the first finger on your left hand. It moves free and isn't attached to anything other than the rest of your hand. Right? That finger certainly isn't attached to your brain in any way, is it? Of course not. You would know it if your finger was attached to your brain, right?

Lay that finger down on a hard surface. Chop the end of your finger off with a meat cleaver. Hurt, didn't it? You know why? Because the nerves in that finger are connected to the brain. Those traumatized nerves sent a neutral stimulus to the proper area of the brain, the brain interpreted that stimulus into pain based on former experience with the same type of stimulus, sent the message out that pain had been felt, and that messaged geared the peripheral nervous system into action.

When you connect anything to a nerve leading directly into the brain and without which there would be no pathway to conduct stimuli, you have connected that device that becomes part of the pathway, to the brain. Without it, there is no pathway.

So, let's try this once again, using the words in the proper context. The CI is attached to nerves leading to the brain. Therefore, it is connected to the brain.

Now, if the hearing people will simply use the words "attached" and "connected to" in the proper context, and read them that way as well, there will be no more disagreement about things that one doesn't even understand what they are disagreeing with.
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attached?

Let me ask you this - are you thinking that we're saying CI is directly connected to brain? surgically implanted into brain or something?
You have been saying it for the last 3 pages...
Wiggling again? Or trolling?... AH.. Both
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btw Grendel - in case you're unfamiliar with how cellphone works... your cellphone actually receives electrical signal and it converts signal into sound wave and your "fully-functional" ear captures it.

So if you're going to use cellphone example..... HA would be an appropriate comparison, not CI.
Finally. Someone gets it. Strange that it is a deafie! Aren't hearies supposed too have better use of language?
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You have been saying it for the last 3 pages...
Wiggling again? Or trolling?... AH.. Both
ah so you have resorted to this.... how unsightly.
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