Cochlear recalls Nucleus CI500 - Page 20

**Jiro** · 10-02-2011, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

I think you thought I was asking how ASL compared with see or other mces within north america. I'm asking about the statement you made I'm quoting here.

Are you saying that BSL, LSQ, Auslan, etc are not complete languages, but are manually coded forms of some corresponding spoken language?

I do not put BSL, LSQ, Auslan, etc with the like of Cued Speech or SEE aka manually coded forms of spoken language.

It's a sign language. period. But do feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. If BSL, LSQ, and Auslan are complete sign languages with its own syntax and grammar that meets official linguistic standard, then I'm wrong but am I?

deafbajagal · 10-02-2011, 12:42 AM

My deaf friends from Japan said that JSL has its own syntax, etc., thus it meets the criteria of being a language...interesting enough, they do have a manually coded signing system in Japanese that follows the word order of spoken Japanese.

**Jiro** · 10-02-2011, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by deafbajagal

My deaf friends from Japan said that JSL has its own syntax, etc., thus it meets the criteria of being a language...interesting enough, they do have a manually coded signing system in Japanese that follows the word order of spoken Japanese.

My Japanese friend prefers ASL over JSL cuz he finds it much easier to communicate with. You should ask your friends what's the sign for older brother

deafbajagal · 10-02-2011, 12:51 AM

Yeah...and a couple of my students play that game when they got caught with that sign..."but I was signing in JSL.". Hahaha. And no, it didn't fly with me...they got busted for it.

deafbajagal · 10-02-2011, 12:52 AM

Most Japanese deafies are fluent in ASL, too, from what they tell me. Why? To learn English. Why can't Americans have that kind of good sense? Lol

**Jiro** · 10-02-2011, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by deafbajagal

Most Japanese deafies are fluent in ASL, too, from what they tell me. Why? To learn English. Why can't Americans have that kind of good sense? Lol

oh the humanity! We must summon Inglip for his wisdom!

**deafskeptic** · 10-02-2011, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

My Japanese friend prefers ASL over JSL cuz he finds it much easier to communicate with. You should ask your friends what's the sign for older brother

Ha ha, I remember hearing a funny story that my MSSD English teacher told my class about two Deaf brothers from China. The big brother tried to stop the little brother from signing big brother in Chinese sign langage at a crowded American airport because he didn't want to create any misunderstandings.. Iwonder if the sign is the same as the Japanese one?

**Jiro** · 10-02-2011, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

Ha ha, I remember hearing a funny story that my MSSD English teacher told my class about two Deaf brothers from China. The big brother tried to stop the little brother from signing big brother in Chinese sign langage at a crowded American airport because he didn't want to create any misunderstandings.. Iwonder if the sign is the same as the Japanese one?

looks like it's same for Taiwanese, Korean and Japanese too. Wouldn't be surprised since Asian languages share a lot of similarities.

**deafskeptic** · 10-02-2011, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

looks like it's same for Taiwanese, Korean and Japanese too. Wouldn't be surprised since Asian languages share a lot of similarities.

Spoken or Signed languages?

**Jiro** · 10-02-2011, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

Spoken or Signed languages?

both

CrazyOne · 10-05-2011, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyOne

My crystal ball says (and we all know how accurate those are):

Failure rate could exceed 20%.

Reading between the lines on the press release with the information available publically (i.e. an "increasingfailure rate after implantation) I suspect that there will be non-hermetic implants. Not good. But take it for what its worth. It is a crystal ball predicting this.

-C1

Is my crystal ball in tune or what? Look what came out today.

Moisture blamed for Cochlear implant malfunctions | The Australian

-C1

**Banjo** · 10-05-2011, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyOne

My crystal ball says (and we all know how accurate those are):

Failure rate could exceed 20%.

Reading between the lines on the press release with the information available publically (i.e. an "increasingfailure rate after implantation) I suspect that there will be non-hermetic implants. Not good. But take it for what its worth. It is a crystal ball predicting this.

-C1

That's a high rate. A very high rate.

**Banjo** · 10-05-2011, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyOne

Is my crystal ball in tune or what? Look what came out today.

Moisture blamed for Cochlear implant malfunctions | The Australian

-C1

Wow, Cochlear's stock value is falling fast.

CrazyOne · 10-06-2011, 08:41 AM

IMHO, the fact that Cochlear Limited is reporting a hermeticity/moisture failure, is completely unacceptable. This is a known technology, has test standards and methods of testing for it, and was the source of the first AB recall.

To have a recall of this magintude seems to show systematic problems. 200 units already is not good (that is a big understatement).

My crystal ball also tells me that the issue will be part of the new shape monolithic feedthrough design on the N5 which is part of what made it small.

Now where my crystal ball gets fuzzy is if it will be found to be just the monolithic feedthrough or manufacturing.

Cloggy · 10-06-2011, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Wow, Cochlear's stock value is falling fast.

Guess this is the time to buy them....

CrazyOne · 10-06-2011, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloggy

Guess this is the time to buy them....

Not yet. Good thinking though. Its how it works. Buy when its low, sell when its high.

That said, gut feeling tells me over the next 3 months it will fall more as more information is disclosed publically. I would wait a little bit to buy (notice this isn't saying don't buy..just wait..you want to hit it when its lowest).

-C1

DeafCaroline · 10-06-2011, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyOne

Not yet. Good thinking though. Its how it works. Buy when its low, sell when its high.

That said, gut feeling tells me over the next 3 months it will fall more as more information is disclosed publically. I would wait a little bit to buy (notice this isn't saying don't buy..just wait..you want to hit it when its lowest).

-C1

I would pay close attention to what people say about their implant, whichever brand before making any decisions to invest. If I notice there tended to be a particular brand that's problematic whether immediately after surgery or years down the road, I would hesitate to invest. Considering no long term reports have been done on reliability and functionality of CIs, that's even more of a reason to be conservative, considering how just word of mouth alone about the recalls would result in marketwatch.com reporting that Cochlear LTD's stocks fell by 27% (I believe this report was made September 12, 2011) after it actually had already made a gain of 10% the month before.

It made a gain of 5.88% today though according to last stock reports.

**Oddball** · 10-10-2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

My Japanese friend prefers ASL over JSL cuz he finds it much easier to communicate with. You should ask your friends what's the sign for older brother

Yes, I already knew the sign language for older brother. LOL

**Ausrider** · 10-10-2011, 10:29 AM

I went to a CI information session a few days ago (the company my audi works for provides cochlear CI's)and they said the failure rate was 0.6% and upto 1% is normal but still because of this they are now fitting the provious model

AlleyCat · 10-10-2011, 10:47 AM

Is the 1% higher than the older model?

**Ausrider** · 10-10-2011, 11:02 AM

upto 1% is normal, i cant remember what she said in regards to the failure rate of the old model, but the one being recalled has a failure rate of 0.6% she claims

posts from hell · 10-10-2011, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ausrider

I went to a CI information session a few days ago (the company my audi works for provides cochlear CI's)and they said the failure rate was 0.6% and upto 1% is normal but still because of this they are now fitting the provious model

I remember a debate where I said closer to 1 in 100 than 1 in 1000....

jillio · 11-03-2011, 08:23 PM

Post reported.

Danb · 11-06-2011, 03:00 PM

I was able to hear sounds and speech and talk with the audiologist on first activation. It was amazing! I actually screamed out Yeah!!! as loud as i could and high fived my father, and the audiologist got teary eyed.

But my surgery recovery time was slow. I had a lot of pain and swelling because i have inflammation health problems anyways, which are rare. I recovered after 2 weeks.

beba · 11-06-2011, 03:02 PM

my 1yr old has the recalled device implanted. i was told his is fine but i dont feel its fine. he has had the CI for 5 months and my son cant hear and doesnt respond.

beba · 11-06-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Danb

I was able to hear sounds and speech and talk with the audiologist on first activation. It was amazing! I actually screamed out Yeah!!! as loud as i could and high fived my father, and the audiologist got teary eyed.

But my surgery recovery time was slow. I had a lot of pain and swelling because i have inflammation health problems anyways, which are rare. I recovered after 2 weeks.

:') im still waiting to see my son respond. Congrats to u and ur family

beba · 11-06-2011, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by iowaboy

That's quite a definition of hearing that you've made up there. Hearing is the perception of sound stimuli. Look it up. Yes, my daughter immediately responded to sounds in her environment, and could discriminate between tones and hand claps, and even find them from a completely different part of the house. She was able to hear from day 1. Within a few weeks she was able to distinguish the difference between the dogs panting softly below her bedroom window and a cat meowing in the same place without seeing either of them. CIs work and they work well, and the risks associated with them are negligible.

Not all CI work. My son is profound/severly deaf he had the Nucleus5 implanted in July and still cant hear. they have mapped and programed since then and it hasnt worked for him.

Deafguy25 · 11-06-2011, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by beba

my 1yr old has the recalled device implanted. i was told his is fine but i dont feel its fine. he has had the CI for 5 months and my son cant hear and doesnt respond.

Talk to your audiologist.

Does your son have the green light active on his device? Cochlear is recommending you watch the lights, if they change to orange, instead of green, it means he is not hearing.

Deafguy25 · 11-06-2011, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by beba

Not all CI work. My son is profound/severly deaf he had the Nucleus5 implanted in July and still cant hear. they have mapped and programed since then and it hasnt worked for him.

How are they MAPping him? Are they using the NRTs? Does the audiologist do a booth test after MAPping? What does the audiogram look like?

beba · 11-06-2011, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Deafguy25

Talk to your audiologist.

Does your son have the green light active on his device? Cochlear is recommending you watch the lights, if they change to orange, instead of green, it means he is not hearing.

the lights are green

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10-02-2011, 12:42 AM	#572 (permalink)
deafbajagal Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Posts: 5,171	My deaf friends from Japan said that JSL has its own syntax, etc., thus it meets the criteria of being a language...interesting enough, they do have a manually coded signing system in Japanese that follows the word order of spoken Japanese.

10-02-2011, 12:51 AM	#574 (permalink)
deafbajagal Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Posts: 5,171	Yeah...and a couple of my students play that game when they got caught with that sign..."but I was signing in JSL.". Hahaha. And no, it didn't fly with me...they got busted for it.

10-02-2011, 12:52 AM	#575 (permalink)
deafbajagal Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Posts: 5,171	Most Japanese deafies are fluent in ASL, too, from what they tell me. Why? To learn English. Why can't Americans have that kind of good sense? Lol

10-06-2011, 08:41 AM	#584 (permalink)
CrazyOne Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 119	IMHO, the fact that Cochlear Limited is reporting a hermeticity/moisture failure, is completely unacceptable. This is a known technology, has test standards and methods of testing for it, and was the source of the first AB recall. To have a recall of this magintude seems to show systematic problems. 200 units already is not good (that is a big understatement). My crystal ball also tells me that the issue will be part of the new shape monolithic feedthrough design on the N5 which is part of what made it small. Now where my crystal ball gets fuzzy is if it will be found to be just the monolithic feedthrough or manufacturing.

10-10-2011, 10:29 AM	#589 (permalink)
Ausrider Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: At a track near you Posts: 331	I went to a CI information session a few days ago (the company my audi works for provides cochlear CI's)and they said the failure rate was 0.6% and upto 1% is normal but still because of this they are now fitting the provious model

10-10-2011, 10:47 AM	#590 (permalink)
AlleyCat Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my time zone Posts: 10,813	Is the 1% higher than the older model?

10-10-2011, 11:02 AM	#591 (permalink)
Ausrider Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: At a track near you Posts: 331	upto 1% is normal, i cant remember what she said in regards to the failure rate of the old model, but the one being recalled has a failure rate of 0.6% she claims

11-06-2011, 03:00 PM	#594 (permalink)
Danb Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Bourne, MA. Posts: 154	I was able to hear sounds and speech and talk with the audiologist on first activation. It was amazing! I actually screamed out Yeah!!! as loud as i could and high fived my father, and the audiologist got teary eyed. But my surgery recovery time was slow. I had a lot of pain and swelling because i have inflammation health problems anyways, which are rare. I recovered after 2 weeks.

11-06-2011, 03:02 PM	#595 (permalink)
beba Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: CT Posts: 40	my 1yr old has the recalled device implanted. i was told his is fine but i dont feel its fine. he has had the CI for 5 months and my son cant hear and doesnt respond.