AlleyCat

No. Why should they? Everyone has their likes and dislikes. What does this have to do with this thread?

Deafness

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deafgal001

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I'm anti-surgeries. I will avoid at all cost by staying heathy. But I am not anti-surgeries.

deafgal001

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Offtopic but I can't imagine someone saying "I love city traffics. Traffic jams make me so happy"

Actually a car does make me cringe. But that's life.

GrendelQ

Right, big a difference between saying the idea of surgery makes you cringe, and "children with CIs" make you cringe.

deafgal001

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I don't think PFH is that kind of a person. Didn't he think your kid was cute despite that she have CI?

AlleyCat

It wasn't PFH.

Perhaps you should ask the original poster who made the statement to answer your concerns directly instead of asking questions relating to traffic and cars and Los Angeles.

faire_jour

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i specifically said that we do not advocate for or even condone it.

and my statement was that it rewards and stickers and positive things don't work....keeping doing positive things. (but i also said that i doubted it would keep happening.)

posts from hell

You're twisting things around again. Nice try.

I'll edit and add this to clarify my thinking process to the rest of the AD members who are reading this:

regardless of what you THINK will happen... I asked specifically in a perfect world - right mapping, right rewarding programs and all that jazz - the kid still rejects the CI - screaming and crying - what to do?? Wheres the line?? You said "Continue."

If your doubts prove right, it doesnt happen. If you're wrong, and it happens, you still would "Continue."

NOW that brings up this post:
I replied to that because of the response you made in my signature. You're "even condoning being forceful" in my eyes here.

faire_jour

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yes, continue with the positive reinforcement, rewards, etc.

why on earth would you stop being positive?

faire_jour

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i said "who is recommending or even condoning being forceful?" answer: NO ONE!

posts from hell

If you didn't know what condone means - it means "to allow" - so you are saying "who is even allowing CIs to be forced upon a child?" In my explanation force was clearly displayed, hence it falls in line with your question that I answered, in my opinion, correctly.

However we can disagree. I respectfully disagree with you here.

deafgal001

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Ok I got lost in threads. My statement still stands. Because I know a few who are against implanting a child and CI on children does make them cringe. But it doesn't mean they are "anti children with CI"

faire_jour

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i clearly said that i do NOT advocate or even condone it. I don't know how to be clearer.

posts from hell

Then why reply the way you did in my signature? Why the flip flop?

posts from hell

The answer given was "continue" to the answer the kid that is constantly rejecting a CI. See my first question - I asked you where the line was, it now is obvious there is no line with you.

Off to do errands, take care yall.

faire_jour

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positive rewards, charts, stickers, consistancy and dilligence are not force. There is no flip flop.

faire_jour

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i said continue with the positives and that it is never ok to use emotional or physical force.

i have been very clear.

Beowulf

Even after months of the child crying and beseeching you to make it stop?
The hairs are standing up on the back of my neck.

faire_jour

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first of all, i said that i don't believe it would happen. If they are getting benefit, they aren't going to fight it. It just doesn't happen.

i would find out why they are fighting, at 3 they should be able to communicate. Then we would work to fix it. But no, it is not their decision.

dulce

Deafdyke, I found your advise very explanatory, thank you for that. (I didn't Quoted it, sorry, but I am agreeing with you) I do feel that age is much to young for CI. Sign Language is an option and beautiful language, until the child is of age to give some discerning feedback on how he choices to "Hear" in his world.

jillio

I find it hearbreaking that a parent would be so detached from the clues the child is giving them. More focused on mode of communication and hearing than the comfort and security of their child. Personally, I find it abusive. IMO.

Beowulf

Ah well. I take comfort in the fact that you are in the minority.

jillio

Benefit is subjective. A child that is rejecting does not perceive that they are getting benefit.

My son's audi swore he got "benefit" from his left aid. My son swore that it interferred with the discrimination in his right ear. I allowed him to go without the left aid, no matter what the audi said was beneficial. He was the one that lived with it daily. He was the one who knew. And, btw, he was 7 when this occurred.

Yeah, at 3 they should be able to communicate. Developmentally, they are ready to discuss their world in depth. Unfortunately, deaf children most often are unable to communicate at an age appropriate level because they have spent too long in an environment that does not fully address their language needs. This 3 year old appears to be communicating in the way he can. It is not that he isn't communicating...it is that no one is paying attention to his message.

deafgal001

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Some kids get too much benefits. Which is why I threw my aids out the car window. I hated the sound of cars..according to my mom.

Listening with CI or HAs isn't always pleasant.

jillio

Absolutely. Too many people see "benefit" in terms of dB and Hz only. Just because the audiogram looks better doesn't mean that the benefit is functional for the person.

LinuxGold

If 3 years old girl's leg is broken, then our natural response would be to fix it, therefore it is natural to respond to fix "deafness" in that child.

BUT if that child cannot communicate using that fix, then it would be RECOMMENDED that sign language be used as an alternative.

jillio

Exactly!!

deafgal001

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I think it natural to fix if a child is in pain...CI or broken leg.

faire_jour

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i din't define benefit to be in db. It is clearly an ongoing process to determine what the child needs. But no, if my child decided they wanted to reject something that i believed to be in their best interest, whether that be a CI, shoes, or ASL, i would be the adult, andmake the decision until they were old enough to make an informed decision.

faire_jour

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this is very common, especially with hearing aids. They amplify the background noise. I believe many parents take out their children's hearing aids in the car.