deafgal001

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Do you have any posts that don't criticize people for their lifestyle?

Deafness

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Deaffy

Is it me or does anyone else need a code breaker to decipher this?

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deafgal001

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No its not you. I can't figure him out. I can only guess what he is trying to say.

drphil

How many positions can anyone have in dealing with deafness? The range of options possible are not exactly shrouded in obscurity.

Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

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deafgal001

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Can you put everything complete sentences? Don't leave obscure Hanging by itself.

cjg

If she can do that , then she does not fit into the category that 'most' people would call deaf.

GrendelQ

That question may be the what some are arguing about here, without really coming out and saying so.

My child can do that as well. She's profoundly deaf.

Does wearing a hearing aid or a CI make you no longer deaf? Does using a prosthetic limb to take part in races make you no longer an amputee?

overthepond

You are not the only one, I can only guess....

shel90

I have said with that attitude, then these children are hearing children but some parents say "No no, my child is still deaf with a CI."

Whatever rocks their boat.

To me, any person with a hearing loss is Deaf or HOH.

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faire_jour

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bilateral severe to profound loss with CIs. That is deaf by all definitions!

Bottesini

Who is cjg???

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Pop goes the weasel.

deafgal001

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Is there any particular reasons to refer them deaf while wearing CI even though they hear well as a hearing person? I am wondering parents do that to make sure they get accommodated. I usually refer them as cochlear implant users. And if anyone ask what it is, I tell them they are deaf without it.

cjg

While I understand the analogy you are trying to make , it is not the best one. It is a poor choice of words.

deaf , as used by most people ( in the general population ) , is an adjective. Descriptive of the lack of hearing sense. When the word is used this way , then yes , while using the CI / HA the user is no longer deaf. The user has the ability to hear.

Amputee is a noun describing a person who has lost a limb ( has had an amputation performed ) .This fact does not change. The root word of amputate does not describe the lack of something , it describes the actual loss of the limb itself.

If we were to replace the word amputee with "Legless" , which is also an adjective , Then yes the person who uses the prosthetic leg is no longer legless.

There is no real "apples to apples" correlation between the two words. Because they are completely different types of words.

While some people try use the word deaf as a noun describing "a member of the deaf community."That is not the way that the general public uses it.But when used that way , then yes , she is still deaf when using the HA / CI.

cjg

CJG is me ..

You have something you need to ask me ?

Brief bio .. 38 year old male usa / nyc metro area .. bilateral profound / severe progress loss mostly upper freqs. I am currently contemplating bilateral sequential CI's for myself.

Bottesini

I already checked. You are late deafened. That is all I wanted to know.

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GrendelQ

Do you consider those with hearing aids to be no longer deaf during the hours when they are wearing them?

GrendelQ

Would you then define my daughter as variably hearing or deaf during the day, depending upon whether or not her CI was on or off? (Just as you seem to be saying that a "legless" person's physical state is defined by the appearance of some facsimile of a leg or a tool that functions towards the same end as a leg would.)

cjg

Does your daughter loose / gain a sense of hearing depending on the status of her CI ?

If the answer is yes , then word deaf ( as an adjective ) would not apply to her while she has a sense of hearing.

Please do not confuse the adjective deaf with the noun Deaf. They are completely different meanings. It is my experience that some people use a capital D to denote when they are using the noun. This can help to avoid the confusion.

Bottesini

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GrendelQ

There's a broad range of perspectives on what it means to be deaf (or to be Deaf). I'm trying to determine what the definition of deaf means to you at this point in time.

Not that it's fixed, but I do have a pretty good sense of what it means to me, at this time -- and it's a bit different from your view. I respect the perspective you hold, despite holding a different one, but perhaps you might hold off a bit to understand more about how I see it before schooling me or telling me not to confuse meaning.

You may want to do a great deal more research on cochlear implants if you are under the impression that you will no longer be deaf (and I mean small D deaf) once you have your surgery.

cjg

I can understand your frustration , and can see how you may classify my experience as very limited. However , in the future please refrain from posting in such a manner that gives the illusion that the words were used by me that way. I consider it rude.

If you have something to add / adjust in my statement , please do it outside of the [quote] tags

Thank you.

Sorry this had to be posted in public this way , but my experience on this board has not yet shown me where the private message button it located.

shel90

No offense...

You see deafness from a hearing perspective.

We see deafness from a deaf perspective.

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Bottesini

[quote=cjg;1715692]I can understand your frustration , and can see how you may classify my experience as very limited. However , in the future please refrain from posting in such a manner that gives the illusion that the words were used by me that way. I consider it rude.

If you have something to add / adjust in my statement , please do it outside of the PM's are not allowed before 50 posts. Do you think everyone is so stupid they can't notice my addition in red? I would bold it if I wanted to emphasize your words.

Please refrain from ever telling me what to do.

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Bottesini

OH and above, the board messed that quote up . I had nothing to do with it.

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cjg

There can be no dispute on the meaning of the word itself.it is someone without a sense of hearing. It is not a subjective word.

I do not consider myself deaf .. nor do I consider myself Deaf .. I have a reduced sense of hearing. The term deaf, as a word ,has a distinct meaning that is non ambiguous. it refers to someone without a sense of hearing.Due to the fact that almost no one has ZERO hearing , the line between deaf / not deaf is blurred. So we add in the term hard of hearing to cover the ambiguous section that can not semantically be correctly defined as deaf.

You can consider it what you will , it will not change the meaning of the word as defined by Webster.

I am hard of hearing , as I still have some sense of hearing , and hope to be less hard of hearing after the surgery ( If I even get it .. )

cjg

Sir yes sir.

But seriously .. if you have something to say about me or my post , please make it unambiguous. Your post was tantamount to putting words in my mouth , which is very impolite. I have shown you nothing but respect. Why can you not show me the same.

posts from hell

Its because you quoted a quote with a [quote] tag in it...

posts from hell

Oh, so I should stop doing that too...

If you wanted her to be polite, you should be polite as well in greeting her with the gender-correct greeting.

cjg

Yes your sig is correct ..